PvP Podcast (Episode 7 Uploaded)

kevlarto_ESO · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Quick suggestion. Your cast was very biased though. I encourage you to have a Skilled raid leader or two as well to get a opinions from more of the community. All of you favor small scale pvp, that is obvious.

Not everyone likes that. Many would argue that is the minority. I think that is part of the problem with some of Zos's decisions. Listening to parts of the community vice all.

This has a lot of potential to fixing the game that many love and would come back to

I agree, never liked a small % speaking for the larger % of the player base, everyone has opinions and what might be fun for some is not fun for others, mmo's have to appeal to a wide range of players and play styles, but making the masses happy is the most important part and most likely one of the hardest things to do. The problem with making mmo's based on a popular franchise has a lots of ups and downs and restrictions to fit into that franchises lore and so forth you can only stretch that so far before the game becomes just another cookie cutter mmo

WillhelmBlack · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

What i don´t like about the video is how you guys keep talking about how you established the small scale pvp playstyle in eso. This is something that has been around for quite some time and is nothing exclusive or new in eso. I´ve been playing in small grps (or limited to one grp back in the day) since about 2003 when organised 8vs8 and 8vsX became popular in daoc.

Therefor i also can´t agree that the devs could not have known about this playstyle. It´s happened in every open pvp game since the early 2000 years (that i have played). The hardcore pvp players try to best as much enemies as they possibly can at the same time while limiting themselves to the games grpsize (or less). Nobody can tell me they did not know about this.

Therefor i think the development team is deliberatly trying to cut down this style of play because they don´t deem it favorable from a monetary pov when some players who invest more time and thought are able to outplay the majority.

You'd get more box sales though because ESO would be known as THE best PvP game on sale right now.

Erock25 · October 2015

I just skimmed the video so far and I like it and look forward to more. One suggestion is to add time links in the youtube description so we can jump to different topics. Yes it only helps the lazy as it was kinda easy to find where you guys started talking about Imperial City / Cyrodiil PVP, but I think it is a good suggestions regardless.

stewie_801 · October 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah, stealth rez has been around forever. The only thing that has changed is stealth pots got a huge nerf and the speed rez set was released. I really hope they are not nerfing this because of those two changes. That's the opposite of the way things should be changed. You should anticipate the outcome of the changes you make before you make the change. Not blindly flip the switch and see what happens so you can fix it in perfect lighting after the fact. We can't keep chasing new things with nerfs just to fit them in, they need to fit before we put them in.

Kagrenac's Set has always been in and given the rez speed bonus, it just became a lot more viable when they added the spell damage to the 5 piece bonus. But otherwise agree they should not be making a lot of changes quickly, instead making small changes to see the impact of them.

Docmandu · October 2015

Suggestion: less = more... was waaaay too long to bother watching.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

Suggestion: less = more... was waaaay too long to bother watching.

This had no real schedule and was much longer than desired. Future ones will be kept to a specific window, probably 1:30.

Huckdabuck · October 2015

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Manoekin · October 2015

"We are the Zerg" with Brandon hosting Daniel, Frozn, Crown when?

Sypher · October 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

Hey Sypher can we get a update on when the next video will be?

This will be biweekly.

Looking to do this again, next saturday.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Hey Sypher can we get a update on when the next video will be?

This will be biweekly.

Looking to do this again, next saturday.

We enjoyed the first show, @Sypher (even those of us /lurking) - looking forward to the next one.

xaraan · October 2015

Worrisome b/c fengrush is about the only one that said anything worthwhile, a couple of the guys said several incorrect things about the game. Also the fact that it's a podcast with 4 1vXer's, they don't pve or alliance war pvp is kind of odd - someone asked at one point about a pve perspective and sypher says "we'll talk about it b/c we need gear from it" - that's not pve representation. Essentially, not to take anything away from dueling, but no real part of playing the game is represented in the podcast.

Karamis_Vimardon · October 2015

xaraan wrote: »

Worrisome b/c fengrush is about the only one that said anything worthwhile, a couple of the guys said several incorrect things about the game. Also the fact that it's a podcast with 4 1vXer's, they don't pve or alliance war pvp is kind of odd - someone asked at one point about a pve perspective and sypher says "we'll talk about it b/c we need gear from it" - that's not pve representation. Essentially, not to take anything away from dueling, but no real part of playing the game is represented in the podcast.

Yeah, because 1 player taking on X players doesn't help at all, especially not during sieges holding said X players back on a breach...

As for including PvE stuff, here's the title for you to read again "PvP Podcast @7PM CST tonight".

PvE? THIS. IS. CYRODDIIIIIIILLL!

Rayste · October 2015

Sypher wrote: »

PvP Podcast tonight @7PM US Central w/Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy, and Fengrush.

Topics of Discussion
- Champion System and CP Cap
- Imperial City / Cyrodiil PvP
- Class Balance and Itemization
- Future of PvP
- QnA and Open Discussion

If you would like to tune in it will be streamed on twitch.tv/SypherPK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6oYAiQGNo

Keep up the good work

Huckdabuck · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Rayste · October 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Maybe so, but I have not seen anyone else step up to the plate. Forward you four.

Derra · October 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

I don´t personally know anyone enjoying ballgrps. Out of 20 people we started with we´re three left because of - guess what - ballgrps.

Out of the 20 ppl we started with everyone played the open pvp games since daoc released (not that those were that many). GW2 and Eso were the only ones where big organised grps were a minority and allowed to ruin pvp for everyone else (at some point obviosly they´re no longer the minority bc everyone else left - this is happening in eso atm).

A small grp might be able to ruin one evening for some players. A ballgrp is able to ruin the pvp campaign every evening for everyone but themselves and other 24 slots - every evening.

Alucardo · October 2015

xaraan wrote: »

Worrisome b/c fengrush is about the only one that said anything worthwhile, a couple of the guys said several incorrect things about the game.

Care to mention which parts, or did you just want to call them wrong?

Jitterbug · October 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Keep up the good work and maybe someday we will get this podcast live in Zenimax Studio live stream with Gina, Rich, Brian and Erik webcams!

Yes, and then we can turn this podcast into another gigglefest where we show off each others plush guars.
No thank you.

This podcast was exactly what I hoped ESO Live would be all along; a panel of experts discussing intricate details of the game.

Etaniel · October 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

Alucardo · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

Yes, and then we can turn this podcast into another gigglefest where we show off each others plush guars.
No thank you.

This podcast was exactly what I hoped ESO Live would be all along; a panel of experts discussing intricate details of the game.

This.
Was nice to watch a stream like this brought to us by people who actually play the game and understand it. Though I would miss Gina.. so I don't know.

Legedric · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Keep up the good work and maybe someday we will get this podcast live in Zenimax Studio live stream with Gina, Rich, Brian and Erik webcams!

Yes, and then we can turn this podcast into another gigglefest where we show off each others plush guars.
No thank you.

This podcast was exactly what I hoped ESO Live would be all along; a panel of experts discussing intricate details of the game.

This^^

Although some ZOS guys watched it I highly doubt they will come up with something valuable or useful especially in the short term future.
They simply had more than enough opportunity to do so and many (including the hosts) already complained AND provided constructive feedback or ideas and all that ZOS did was making it worse in every way.

Sorry to say that, I appreciate you doing this podcast and spending a majority of your time playing this game but ZOS didn't listen (even to you!) in the past and so I have no hopes they will change this anytime soon.

Jitterbug · October 2015

xaraan wrote: »

Worrisome b/c fengrush is about the only one that said anything worthwhile, a couple of the guys said several incorrect things about the game. Also the fact that it's a podcast with 4 1vXer's, they don't pve or alliance war pvp is kind of odd - someone asked at one point about a pve perspective and sypher says "we'll talk about it b/c we need gear from it" - that's not pve representation. Essentially, not to take anything away from dueling, but no real part of playing the game is represented in the podcast.

It's probably not a PvE podcast

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

good work guys, i am on similar mind wawe as you.

Only one thing that can seriously affect devs thinking about future content is that popular streamers place their opinion around community. already sharing. keep doing

Soul_Demon · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Quick suggestion. Your cast was very biased though. I encourage you to have a Skilled raid leader or two as well to get a opinions from more of the community. All of you favor small scale pvp, that is obvious.

Not everyone likes that. Many would argue that is the minority. I think that is part of the problem with some of Zos's decisions. Listening to parts of the community vice all.

This has a lot of potential to fixing the game that many love and would come back to

Excellent point. Nothing is more damaging to the community as a whole than the failure to represent all perspectives in the game. What this podcast could have achieved is lessened by the one sided bias being the only perspective presented.

This is a group of players who love the game, but......only love one style of play and slant all opinions to that end, intentional or not.

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Quick suggestion. Your cast was very biased though. I encourage you to have a Skilled raid leader or two as well to get a opinions from more of the community. All of you favor small scale pvp, that is obvious.

Not everyone likes that. Many would argue that is the minority. I think that is part of the problem with some of Zos's decisions. Listening to parts of the community vice all.

This has a lot of potential to fixing the game that many love and would come back to

Excellent point. Nothing is more damaging to the community as a whole than the failure to represent all perspectives in the game. What this podcast could have achieved is lessened by the one sided bias being the only perspective presented.

This is a group of players who love the game, but......only love one style of play and slant all opinions to that end, intentional or not.

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so you wanna say there are playstyles blobbing and zerging? i dont think so. blobbing and zerging is the players answer to system zos delivered. and manys are even not pvpers just farmers. we will see cyro population after orsinium launch, how many pvpers left here. On the other hand, it can be possible that all serious pvpers already left the game and content is perfect for the player base that still play. and only several streamers lunatics want to change the game. huh

Ishammael · October 2015

xaraan wrote: »

Worrisome b/c fengrush is about the only one that said anything worthwhile, a couple of the guys said several incorrect things about the game. Also the fact that it's a podcast with 4 1vXer's, they don't pve or alliance war pvp is kind of odd - someone asked at one point about a pve perspective and sypher says "we'll talk about it b/c we need gear from it" - that's not pve representation. Essentially, not to take anything away from dueling, but no real part of playing the game is represented in the podcast.

I have actually started to think that the "1vX" player is more common than the "ball group" player. That many players want to go hit Cyrodiil without getting bitched at to stay on crown. And this is coming from a player who often leads those big groups.

These four players do much to promote Cyrodiil pvp (even though flawed), despite not participating in the Alliance War. Cheers for that.

Summary of their suggestions:
1. Remove the artificial superiority of the Zerg (AoE caps)
2. Add tools to defeat the Zerg (uncapped AoE, dynamic ult, etc)

_Chaos · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

Derra · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

Jitterbug · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

I really wanted to disagree with you going into that post, but that was some good foruming on your end.