Saltypretzels wrote: »

Did any of your whiners even LOOK at that graph I already posted? The XP costs are not going up by that much.

XP required 338-501 new system: 79,790,187 XP.
XP required 338-501 old system: 65,200,000 XP.

I beg to differ with you, IMHO that's a sizeable penalty I would incur if the present iteration becomes final, unless I receive bonus enlightenment to make up the difference.

Salmonoid wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

how much more XP is needed after 338? and 338 would take some time to get anyway, as most of us fresh players on console have around 100-200.

Average CPs are a lot lower than that
PC - 96
Ps4 - 44
Xbone 42

That's ZOS math, which is why it's ridiculous and makes no sense because they're taking into consideration accounts with any any amount of playtime.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Here is the current data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SXo8O6ro7AaIilYg11rZzH4DP7kQaYE6Qy5vB9XlO5g/edit?usp=sharing

I am guessing there is an inflection point at 501 CPs. If I segregate data points below and perform a linear fit I get:

y = 1088 x + 31630

where y is the total experience required to get x champion point.

To calculate the total amount of XP required for 501 now, integrate:

y_tot = 644 x^2 + 31630 x

and evaluate from 1 to 501:

y_tot = 177459000

which compares to 501 CPs at 400k/ea: 200000000

Thus it takes less total XP to get to 501 by about 11.27%

The problem is the following -- if you are currently sitting at 338 CPs, your next one costs more than 400k. Thus you are burned by this scaling, requiring more effort to get to 501 because your total XP (338 * 400k = 135200000) should put you at <solve quadratic eqn> 434 CPs!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler Y'all need to re-calculate everyone's CP based on total experience. Otherwise players in the mid-300s are gonna get burned by this switch!

EDIT: put in OP.
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smacx250 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Can anybody provide some more data points for this, pls?

Here is a plot of data so far. Good enough for engineering, I'd say:



Edit: Added current rate as "No-cap". "Pre-cap" is after patch less than cap, "Post-cap" is after patch greater than cap.

So by trying to fix the problem, they made it even WORSE for those below the cap, yet the whole "capping" and catch up idea was to prevent that... And help those under the cap get there quicker... LOL
ZoS, I salute you, never did those maths and logic in school now did ya?

Grunim wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

Did any of your whiners even LOOK at that graph I already posted? The XP costs are not going up by that much.

XP required 338-501 new system: 79,790,187 XP.
XP required 338-501 old system: 65,200,000 XP.

I beg to differ with you, IMHO that's a sizeable penalty I would incur if the present iteration becomes final, unless I receive bonus enlightenment to make up the difference.

looks to be around 14.5m difference, no?

v1 to v15.5, nothing insignificant about that.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

sztartureb17_ESO wrote: »

There should not be the champion system at all. Why not simply just remove it? Or remove it totally from PvP?

Well I like continued progression on my toon. What will happen when I'm all leveled and geared up? I get bored and move to another game.

with the current drop rates that will take months to get decent pieces from vwgt and vicp. then there are PVP and PVE leaderboards and if you top them there are always alts to gear etc.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Shouldve left it all alone. People cried for a cap, they got it. Now they are crying about the cap. Shouldve left it alone. There was nothing wrong with the cps in the first place. Instead of comin here crying about cps. You shouldve been playing.

Hey genius. You do know the two groups are not the one and same right?

Malmai wrote: »

This is so bad 1K+ CP Grinders will have to just log and they will have advantage every DLC every CAP raise...

And we will have to grind 3x more than they did or even more!!!

Which is good for ZOS in the long run.

Oh hey you figured out how the system works and how it was intentionally designed to prolong the CP grind since players were nearing the 3600 cap faster than expected because ZOS fired all their real MMO developers and hired a bunch of college kids! Have a cookie!

lordrichter wrote: »

There needs to be a sliding XP cost to Champion Points so that the more Champion Points you have, the more XP they cost.

We can quibble over the slope of this line or the tightness of the curve as this increases, but it has to be there.

OK, but that point in the curve where CP cost MORE than 400,000 XP needs to be at LEAST as high as the current cap, otherwise people in between that point and the cap are always going to feel like they're getting screwed!

SleepyTroll wrote: »

So when they up the cap again, then just remove the 3x multiplier above 501? Or am I mistaken, this doesn't seem very "catch up" so like CP is going to be very hard to get in the coming months.

The catch up mechanic works like this...

It's easier to get to about 300 but harder to grind to 500. So people can "catch up" to 300 skill points and then it becomes a grinding slog the rest of the way. 300 to 500 isn't so bad in terms of balance and still rewards the grinders. They never intended for it to be easier to gain all 500 CP than it is right now and have EVERYONE at the CP cap. Though you can still get to the CP cap if you try hard enough.

The only thing that makes sense in this system for the next DLC would be if they removed the x3 multiplier, yes, but also reduced the XP requirements (or buffed XP in the new DLC) so that catching up is again easier.

Let's say they increased the cap to 801. Using the existing scale minus the multiplier, casuals would still be unable to catch up to the grinders (since it would be more XP than it CURRENTLY takes). So instead, they would have to nerf the CP requirements again and make it easy to grind to about 600 CP with the last remaining points being harder to obtain. This cycle repeats every DLC until getting to 3600 (many years from now) is so simple to grind that it's a joke. At which point we'll have either more CP, some other way of getting power, or a dead and shutdown game.


It's important to note that removing VR levels and replacing it with EverGrind is good for their business because players will spend insane amounts of money on the cash shop XP boosters. That's been the purpose of CP replacing VR in the first place, it's simply more profitable. Players will be spending cash on XP boosts until the game is dead and they'll have raked in enough money to justify keeping it alive that long. By then it'll either be time to cash out or implement a new addiction mechanic. I'm banking on the former, especially given the company's tendency to abandon games after a few DLC regardless of how profitable they still are.

If they say 10 DLC are planned, then 10 are all we're getting.

Malmai wrote: »

This is so bad 1K+ CP Grinders will have to just log and they will have advantage every DLC every CAP raise...

And we will have to grind 3x more than they did or even more!!!

Yep, broken system, now even more broken...

If the Original post is right this is crazy up to 500 should be quicker. Yes after 500 scrap expertise and slow it down. Can't spend them anyway. But as it is now catching up to the 500 point players will be harder, and then they increase the cap to like 750 all the people with 750+ will be on it and all the people catching up will still be o 350.

Now everyone will want XP scrolls.

I was just hoping that the "catch-up" system didn't mean that they are going to sell Champion Points.

Slurg wrote: »

Wow that's some ZOS logic - let's make that "catch up" mechanism slower than what we have in the game now!

Sounds like they really want to prevent the majority of players from even approaching the cap, not catch up to it. So those who are already above the cap will keep whatever advantage they may have for a while.

With the cap being 500, the advantage is minimal.