There needs to be a sliding XP cost to Champion Points so that the more Champion Points you have, the more XP they cost.

We can quibble over the slope of this line or the tightness of the curve as this increases, but it has to be there.

I agree @lordrichter and its so simple to make a suitable code for an incremental progression system I cant see why they are making a rock for thier own backs out of stupid unflexible if statments, isntead of a code that could be dynamic and changed with minimal fuss when the cap etc changes.

Ishammael wrote: »

Here is the current data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SXo8O6ro7AaIilYg11rZzH4DP7kQaYE6Qy5vB9XlO5g/edit?usp=sharing

I am guessing there is an inflection point at 501 CPs. If I segregate data points below and perform a linear fit I get:

y = 1088 x + 31630

where y is the total experience required to get x champion point.

To calculate the total amount of XP required for 501 now, integrate:

y_tot = 644 x^2 + 31630 x

and evaluate from 1 to 501:

y_tot = 177459000

which compares to 501 CPs at 400k/ea: 200000000

Thus it takes less total XP to get to 501 by about 11.27%

The problem is the following -- if you are currently sitting at 338 CPs, your next one costs more than 400k. Thus you are burned by this scaling, requiring more effort to get to 501 because your total XP (338 * 400k = 135200000) should put you at <solve quadratic eqn> 434 CPs!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler Y'all need to re-calculate everyone's CP based on total experience. Otherwise players in the mid-300s are gonna get burned by this switch!

EDIT: put in OP.
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smacx250 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Can anybody provide some more data points for this, pls?

Here is a plot of data so far. Good enough for engineering, I'd say:



Edit: Added current rate as "No-cap". "Pre-cap" is after patch less than cap, "Post-cap" is after patch greater than cap.

this is crazy

Wow that's some ZOS logic - let's make that "catch up" mechanism slower than what we have in the game now!

Sounds like they really want to prevent the majority of players from even approaching the cap, not catch up to it. So those who are already above the cap will keep whatever advantage they may have for a while.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Well seeing as no one else has said it yet this whole system cap is a joke everyone will grind to the cap while doing their normal gears. Yes it will hold players at 501 but it will also give weaker players time to catch up (grind before the caps is increased).

We will all have the same number of points just that some will have a much bigger reserve. This is just kicking the problem down the road for two or three more caps. I can honestly say every part of me believes people will always grind to the cap just cause not doing so will put you at a massive disadvantage to the players that will just grind it out.

the point is that u wont be able to grind to the cap, cause of the new catch up system. after 338 cp u will be punished with increase exp cap to get a new cp.

willymchilybily wrote: »

I agree @lordrichter and its so simple to make a suitable code for an incremental progression system I cant see why they are making a rock for thier own backs out of stupid unflexible if statments, isntead of a code that could be dynamic and changed with minimal fuss when the cap etc changes.

eg:
Based on current XP per CP 400,000, and enlightened XP per CP 100,000 being the new max and min of the limits

suggested linear method for scaling XP farming based on cap (500)

where
Y = XP required per CP
X = current player CP

and Y = m(X) + c

when: x=0, Y = 100,000 therefore C = + 100,000
When x=500 Y = 400,000 therefore m = (400,000-100,000)/(500) = 600

Result:
CP | Xp required
00 | 100,000
100 | 160,000
200 | 200,000
300 | 280,000
400 | 340,000
500 | 400,000

suggested slightly exponential linear method for scaling XP farming based on cap (500)

where
Y = XP required per CP
X = current player CP

and Y = m(X)^i + c

if, i = 0.8

when: x=0, Y = 100,000 therefore C = + 100,000
When x=500 Y = 400,000 therefore m = (400,000-100,000)/(500^0.8) = 2080

Result:
CP | Xp required
00 | 100,000
100 | 182,806
200 | 244,174
300 | 299,416
400 | 351,021
500 | 400,081

so simple and easy to code, and get a balance they are happy with. Would take an intern a few hours on excel to optimize given some parameters. As for enlightened it would only need to then half or quarter the resulting XP required to earn a CP

@willymchilybily
I agree.

Can I go a little further with your proposal?
I would also submit that all ZOS NEEDS to do is to use the systems currently built INTO the CP system. Your changes are simple and clear. But they only address the XP required to gain CP.

I believe there is another facet to the problem - so let's provide a solution to that!

The diminishing returns need to be more punishing as well. Diminishing returns on CP points should not be based on the ABILITY into which you are investing, but on the number of points that have been spent in a tree as a total. The values of higher points spent need to be tightened down a little more too, I think. The intention being to lessen the gaps as much as possible between players.

Couple this change with your XP changes and the "newer" players (a)get CPs fast and (b)their CPs get them within at least a more manageable range of the 500-point player, stat-wise.

I believe there actually is no reason for a CP cap AT ALL with these changes - CPs can continue to be a form of end-game growth. If players can gain their CP faster, earlier *AND* those CP are worth enough to get someone ramped up to functional FAST, everything should be good to go... with no ceiling necessary.

Oh wow, you mean something that people whined about incessantly was once again implemented in a less than well thought out manner; maybe everyone should stop whining about *** then.

Those listed "averages" are nonsense. Don't drink the phony number kool-aid . . . .

Root problem with the CP system is that it's a PvE progression thing used for PvP progression. ZoS in their wisdom have decided to reward players who can endlessly grind PvE mobs ad infinitum - with PvP power. It's not a good recipe for success.

Making matters worse is that new players will be hosed. Increasing CP caps with each season still leaves the starting player at ZERO CP, having to climb a cliff to PvP on par with older players. PvE acquired CP should be no part of the game's PvP.

Real PvP progression should not be the CP system - as it currently stands - but rather the Alliance War Rank system. Expand the skills and benefits of Alliance War Ranks, and then remove CP from PvP - that's a winning formula.

Im pleased for the most part. At least the cap was higher than orginally thought. What I do see though is now a huge motivator to get as many CP as possible in the next few months.

Im not displeased with the increase in XP , again unfortunately Computer transfers make this a pain for console users.

Oh well at least its not as bad as I thought it would be

The sky is falling!!!!.


They said that you will gain them faster up to the cap. And that players over the cap will gain them slower. Watching ESO live would allow people to inform themselves of what's going on.

Is that 501 total? Or per tree? I assume this has been answered....but haven't sifted through pages of comments to find it.

gashuffer75 wrote: »

Is that 501 total? Or per tree? I assume this has been answered....but haven't sifted through pages of comments to find it.

501 total

smacx250 wrote: »

Here is a plot of data so far. Good enough for engineering, I'd say:



Edit: Added current rate as "No-cap". "Pre-cap" is after patch less than cap, "Post-cap" is after patch greater than cap.

To be fair-- from 338-500 CP you only need a tiny bit more XP than you do currently. So this system is not terrible.

It would be better if the top of the blue line (at 500 CP) equaled the green line.