I personally hate saying this because I really do thank Zos for bringing us this game but in all honesty, they really do suck. Like how are chat boxes still not on t

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Never had faith to begin with but gave them a chance as they're new to me . I was highly critical of bungies way of handling things and initial impressions were zos would be more of the same ( no text chat , ignoring community pleas for it. Not even a /lurk ). No dev participation on the forums just go betweens. Devs ignoring their official forums but posting on reddit etc . They can improve with time if people give them it and while pvping with the guild remains fun I'll stick around . Main complaints are text chat , group finder and community relations

THIS! THIS! AND MORE THIS!

ZOS_Racheal wrote: »

Greetings everyone,

We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so. Thank you!

ROFLMFAO! I thought MAYBE just MAYBE we were gonna get some insightful stuff from ZoS........sadly we didnt. I wish when someone important came in they flagged the left side of the title on the main thread page with the Z like they do currently and when it is someone of zero importance (importance being based upon the above quoted copy paste mind numbing BS) it is just a caution sign with an exclamation mark.

Much like when I try to play the game exploit free (me not exploiting to gain better gear, gold, etc etc) I left this thread very disappointed because I thought ZoS had chimed in with words of inspiration to make me want to keep playing

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Complaints and rants are dying down compared to one or two weeks ago. And less than 800 people watched ESO Live yesterday while the number were easily over 1000 in the past few months. Is ESO way past the turning point that it can never recover again?

The load takes roughly 5 minutes to 10! The bank never works. None of the traders show prices. Nirncrux NEVER drop anymore, I have had 10 surveys in the past 2 weeks and got 0 nirncrux. I never get Ambrosia pages, they prefer to sell us costumes instead of fixing the lag in the game...

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Yesterday my group of 15-16 were farming blues and reds at their sewer entrances for a good 30-45 mins each
(since AP diminishes).
You wanna know why they were only able to wipe us?

Re-arming trap.

It wasn't that they had twice of three times our numbers.
Literally 20 re-arming traps doing 30k-50k. Both alliances.



And no fix yet for another week

Historically, fixes for game breaking PvP exploits take 2-3 months.

What's hilarious (and sad) is that ZOS locked the thread to dissuade the use of exploits that they had previously ignored for months. To my knowledge, none of the issues mentioned are still current and Rearming Trap does not require anything other than using the skill (not an exploit, just bad programming). It is certainly broken but that is the fault of ZOS, not the players. It is no different than players using Nirnhoned for months before it was fixed but you didn't see ZOS locking threads over it since it wasn't an exploit, just errant programming.

EDIT: For reference an exploit involves the misuse of a thing for something other than its original intention. This could be for grinding, damage immunity, stacking damage, etc. Using a thing for its intended purpose can never be called an exploit (unless its sole purpose is to create an exploit).

PinoZino wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

Are you going to respond to the list of issues I posted, or are you just here to make fun of people and ask for their stuff?

You want to have a real discussion? Here is your chance.

No. I don't want to address your issues. Are we clear now?

Can I have your stuff too?

If you have nothing constructive to add, please stop responding to my posts.

I am constructive. I showed you that the majority is more than satisfied and I explained you that the subscription market in general is shrinking. It's debunking your false statements.

I also explained that we all have issues with the game and we all think that our 'own' issues are the most important ones to solve, while they aren't.

I also explained that sooner or later they will solve your issues too. But only if it are issues.

Constructive doesn't mean that you shout 'leg' and I have to raise my foreleg. I'm not your dog. Thank you.

If the majority playing this game number the numbers you are trying to pass off as "majority" then ZOS is doomed and should just close the game now. Your numbers are nothing and do not help establish a firm foundation for your arguments.

I've stopped playing recently, reason being endless rng grinds and can't fix/won't fix loading screens.

Orsinium rebuild? Wouldn't be surprised if its brick by brick, with a dungeon run giving you up to 5 pebbles, and 100 pebbles crafts a brick. OCDs paradise but not my cup of tea.

Sadly, this game ended with B2P.

I gave up on them fairly fast. I bought the console.version... saw that it did not have text chat, scrolling damage text.... and that it had a horrible grouping tool... I played for roughly a month then quit.

If I wanted to play a single player rpg I would play The Witcher.

Very disappointed with this game. Very

So let's see what a typical evening for me in ESO might be like...

I log on, check who's online. Look at the guild roster of my small scale PvP guild. Surprisingly, more people are still online, and I'm happy about that because there's a lot of doom and gloom in the air about how long we will play this game anymore, a lot of people are talking about quitting and wishing there was at least some other good MMO out there, something for us to do together online. Then there's the ones who have quit, now permanently offline or just peeking in now and then, only to disappear once more. Like that one prominent member who didn't like the changes to DKs, the CP system and the zerging that has become the norm in PvP.

So what would I like to do? I'm a PvPer in my heart, Loved PvP until 1.6 arrived. After that, fun in PvP has been harder and harder to find. Dailies don't really interest me, I've done the PvE group dungeons so many times already in order to level Undaunted and to get the monster helms so my character would be viable in PvP.

Our group leader is not online yet so I decide to decraft some materials that I farmed the previous night by going in circles in the DC sewers, mostly farming the NPCs, now and then being attacked by some enemies - but wishing that we wouldn't be so that we could actually farm efficiently without interruptions. Yes, PvPr wishing there wouldn't be PvP. I've never been extremely rich as a small scale PvPr, and thus I don't have tons of bag space on my characters and in my bank, but I have purchased many upgrades. It takes 30 minutes to decraft my materials - which aren't that many in the end, considering how many mats it takes to craft a v16 item.

We talk in guild chat about what everyone is doing - the guild is pretty spread out these days, for different reasons, so while we're friends with each other, we don't actually play together much. Many couldn't adapt to the changes in the game in PvP when 1.6 hit - the changes to classes and how it takes more and more skill to play in a small group. Magicka DKs pale in comparison to sorcerers now in small group PvP where we fight outnumbered. In a guild where almost everyone has a v12+ DK, I'm the only one who actually plays it, about half the time, because we do need that healing debuff from DK standard these days.

But man is it difficult to play a magicka DK now - I'm so much squishier and there's No Way I could possibly play a magicka DK now without vampirism so I can mistform to keep up with others, to have some damage mitigation (since my shields and mitigation range from nearly non-existent (igneous shield) to mediocreish (harness magicka with 30k max magicka is not that much, and only applies to spells anyway), and because the blocking stamina regen nerf made blocking pretty much impossible, unless you really want to spec everything into that - but where's the fun then when you can't kill even NPCs with that poor damage output), use Clouding Swarm for a brief respite and get some regen for my high cost DK skills. The thing is, magicka DKs really needed that stamina regen in order to be truly viable. But hey, this is build diversity, courtesy of ZOS! Just level up some other class now (suggest NB or sorc) or play stamina DK, because magicka DK is not a good option anymore.

Group leader / my PvP partner still not on, probably because he's rather reading the forums or doing something else, because PvP just isn't as much fun anymore, or he's waiting for the zergiest time to pass so we could actually find some kinds of reasonable fights where we won't be totally overrun due to the changes in game mechanics which favor the zergs even when they are very much less skilled than their opponents - ultimate gain change, aoe caps, strong aoe healing when in a big group, effectiveness of barrier and purge for big groups, nerfed defensive skills (blocking, roll dodging)... There used to be a time when numbers didn't matter nearly as much, as long as you had skill. These days? Well... all it takes is for one shield breaker to spam light bow attacks from somewhere to make enough of a difference against magicka builds. Doesn't feel very fair, does it, considering how easy it is for them to do that. And when you actually catch a player using shield breaker, it is pretty likely that they can't do much and die fast. Not because the other bonuses of the set would be bad, it's just that they don't know how to play. Like that one guy who continued to attack my DK wings with bow attacks...

Look at my casual 500 member PvE / PvP guild chat, see that they're forming a group to go to Cyrodiil and to the Imperial City. They end up forming a group consisting of 20+ players. On TS, the leader tells people to stick together (this is what happened the one time I joined the group, not realizing how big the group would end up being. In the end, I left when I realized the group wasn't getting split up any time soon). Just stick to crown, you will not die. Cuz dying in PvP is that scary and you wouldn't want to lose the Tel Var stones, or get separated from the group. Hey, there's two enemy faction players there, better kill their characters fast so that there's absolutely no way they could kill any of the 20+ group.

We reminisce in guild chat about the times past, when there were different kinds of campaigns, when we cared about the campaigns, where numbers weren't all that mattered and we could play the characters we wanted to play... We really want to keep playing this game, but it's harder and harder to find something fun to do in the game. And we know we aren't the only ones.

I browse the guild stores, trying to see how the prices are changing for different armor pieces and materials, and how much the new willpower/endurance/agility costs today. I nearly feel like I've become more of a trader/crafter than a PvPr, despite only wanting to be the latter. I lament not being able to use particular interesting sets anymore because they haven't been upgraded to v16. A v12 set would have to be pretty ... good for me to use it. No. All the v12 and v14 sets need to be updated so that they also drop in v16.

My PvP partner finally logs on. He's very good at what he does, so if there's ever a chance at small scale PvP, it is when he's on. I try not to pester him about forming a PvP group right away. Ok who cares, I'm going to do it anyway. He needs to do some crafting / decrafting / guild store browsing first.

Half an hour later we form a small group of three. I play on my magicka DK that I was playing a lot until 1.6. The build is completely different now, extremely squishy, but does relatively good damage. It all goes relatively nicely for the first thirty minutes, but then we only start encountering huge groups, which we cannot get out of resources nor burst them down fast enough. We decide to look for some PvP in outdoors Cyrodiil. I need to switch some of my gear onto my alt, because my DK just isn't viable out there in a small group. I relog, get the gear, and thanks to careful planning of home and guest campaigns, we manage to join a campaign where there seems to be some PvP action in Cyrodiil. We play for a while, have some fights that are alright, but in the end, it just isn't the same. Something is missing. It's not what it used to be.

But maybe tomorrow is different. Maybe tomorrow we will for some reason, find some great fights. They do still exist. But they are hard to find. The stars have to align. The game is still great when it's great. But that's rare. And it's not nearly as awesome as it used to be.

When we were still playing on the Hopesfire campaign, all we had to do was jump right in when we logged on, and have fun. We found fights, we played all over the map (using blood porting, yes), we saw different terrain, we defended many keeps, we won outnumbered fights because knowing more about the game and the way the different classes worked mattered. Those were some awesome times.

The memories of what the game used to be like before 1.6 still keep us playing. Because we know how awesome this game could be. But every day, that resolve, and that faith, becomes a little smaller. Playing less and less, and quitting the game are options that are becoming more and more likely, day by day.

We have formed great friendships here over time, and we would love to keep this game as the environment where we interact and have fun. Who knows whether ZOS will make the right decisions to let us do so.

Didn't even bother to read this thread, but since I've been sitting at a loading screen for the past 10 minutes (several reboots, blah, blah) I've decided to re-install Star Wars: The Old Republic.

I mean, it'll probably finish installing by the time I get logged in to Rivenspire anyway.

And who knows? Maybe I'll be able to play SOMETHING before I have to go to sleep.

So, in answer to the OP, yes.

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

No, the point is that informed opinions can come from anywhere. If they have proper support ignoring them is the only mistake. This has been historically proven.

You don't get it, don't you?

Opinions are worth nothing. And sure if they come from laypeople who don't have a clue about what they are talking.

Opinions are personal. My favourite colour is yellow. You can't discuss that, you can't fight it. It's my opinion, you can't push me to change it and there's no need for too.

UX doesn't work that way. UX is measurable. You can actual measure if people use or learn an UI faster or make less mistakes. Even the satisfaction (important with games) can be measured.

And if you can measure it, opinions are worth nothing. You can have the opinion that something is better, I can measure what's the best. Now, what's more solid? Your opinion - which is in most cases wrong due the lack of knowledge about the field - or a measurable fact?

Countless studies are carried out about this issue. Not one is in favour of 'letting users decide what's best'.

Does it mean the user or player is unimportant? Certainly not. Till a certain degree they are nice for detecting problems. But the best is watching them using the software. But what you don’t do is listen too much to their solutions. Behaviour is rather universal among people, opinions aren't.

If someone say to me "mmm, I think this button should be bigger", then I'll answer "Maybe" and write down "Current button could be a problem". It's possible that I have to provide a bigger button, but it's also possible that changing its colour or the location is maybe better. It's even possible that I have to use no button at all or have to replace it with another gizmo. At that moment I have no clue either. I have to analyze and measure what's best. It depends about the context of use, the user profiles and the goal of that UI screen.

And measuring is what users/players never do. They don't measure what's best, they even don't know how to do it.

Letting users decide what's best, is a recipe for a disaster. Letting users their behaviour decide what's best is gold.

Laypeople have been reporting the same bugs, exploits,lag, and broken abilities since beta, and nothing much has been done.
You just don't get why people are giving up even after the release of the fix all, balance all, end all mega patch they had been promising since last spring that finally came in form of a dlc and has failed miserably with everyone I know and many others.
But that's just my opinion.