ZOS Fix The Imperial City Dungeon Drop Rates.

eliisra · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm kind've upset

Items

Increased the drop chance of the Monstrous Tooth, Mark of the Legion, and Bloody Claw Trophy Vault items.
Increased the chance you can receive a piece of jewelry from the caches in Imperial City.

How come we haven't seen an increased drop rate but we get drop rates on those? I mean, those are very common and extremely easy to farm. And please give dungeon chests more loot, it's double the needed trophies of district vaults and they are bound, I dont need anything from white gold tower and i can't trade or sell them, I dont understand

plssss @ZOS_RichLambert can you make the trophies able to be traded or update us on this

Was increased to be more in line with the droprate of Bone Shards and Dark Ether. New jewellery sets aren't supposed to be hard to get, apparently. Most likely because BoE and in every guild store.

I guess ZoS have a different approach when it comes to BoP dungeon gear. I mean, the right monster head or a full dungeon set, always took like half year to farm, unless lucky. By the time you finally got your stuff, build was already outdated

Nifty2g · September 2015

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

WinterCreator · September 2015

I would like to know why the second boss only gives 2 embers in WGT. That seems kind of silly.

Joy_Division · September 2015

I find your persistence and dedication to exposing this dubious mechanic admirable, but I think you are just wasting your time. ZoS's position is based on precedent and intent, it is not an oversight or something they are amenable to changing. Consider:

They still have end game VR16 gear dropping with the training trait. This is a red flag that indicates they do not care about logic, equity, or viability of end game raiding gear.
For a year and a half, they have done nothing to modify noncompetitive traits such as sturdy, charged, exploration, etc. Rather than having a game that promotes builds that might be diverse and done with the grind in a few weeks, ZoS would rather compel you to log in for months in order to get the cookie-cutter standard.
ZoS has consistently nerfed the reward gear you are farming so hard for. Remember the Burning Spellweave set from City of Ash? You think that's a fluke? Valkyn Skoria, Vicious Ophedia, Ravager, Infallible Aether, Archmage, and look at all those stam users chasing robust Agility rings, ready to discard their PvP medium armor sets that are capped to VR14...
Ever since 1.6, the best way to advance your character's power at ESO is nuking non-threatening mobs as opposed to actually successfully completing objectives or "winning" in the traditional sense. If hole up in your basement for a week straight and become Emperor, you get a costume. If instead you nuke zombies, you do more damage, have more resources, possess more mitigation, and open up more passives.
We all have what we think is the worst possible luck or story involved with RNG. My first DSA complete was about one year ago today. The only reward I ever really wanted was a Master's Inferno Staff. 200+ runs later with 7 charged Master's Daggers, a full set of VR14 archer's mind set, and countless Momentos of the Footman, I am still looking for that staff. Or I was. Now it is totally obsolete.

In short, the drop rate is not a bug, it's a feature.

smassareub17_ESO · September 2015

I totally agree with the above poster, Joy_Division! If there is one thing we know about the ZOS developers it is that they are completely STINGY!! Remember completing the Cadwell's gold and silver? Remember saving one kingdom after another to be rewarded with "green" trash?? What a great reward Meridia gave you? Want some really nice uber gear sets? How about running a delve until you are sick and tired of it and paying repair bills with no drops? Oh yes....now you can't even complete the delves without the uber gear because they are ratcheted up in difficulty to be almost impossible for the average player! HELLO??? Is anyone @ ZOS paying any attention to the players that actually pay the monthly fee but don't have hours on end to play and thus feel like they will never catch up? I have always loved Elder Scrolls.....this game is starting to make me wonder why I still do?

tpanisiakb16_ESO · September 2015

The only problem I have with this game is that it doesn't respect your time. Ever since IC and the countless dungeon runs I've felt my 4 hours each night has been utterly wasted. I'm not asking to get geared in one or two runs, but my team has ran normal ICP and WGT countless times and received maybe 4-5 set pieces between us (ironically, the ones we don't need) I'd love to do the vets of these but we're stuck at Flesh Sculptor. I'm not crying out for a nerf in either of these, but I would like to know if I run vICP 20 more times that one of DDs are going to get a single Sheer Venom piece.

This is the abused housewife syndrome. Why do I keep coming back to this game?

k2blader · September 2015

As Willpower jewelry pieces are quite a bit more expensive than Agility ones it makes me think the Agi ones were dropping more? All I really want from IC is those darn jewelry pieces (the ones with proper stats, of course) and ancestor silk. Then it'll be like, F this place.

Nikkor · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Deltia wrote: »

I think this is good feedback and might be something for Eric Wrobel to check out. @ZOS_RichLambert.

I haven't farmed as much as Nifty, but I def need my Sheer Venom set

Yeah lol, I have been farming this for for ~5 days for average 8 hours a day, in and out for quite some time with some top players to make even more time efficient, and we have hardly gotten anything at all

the very first time i attempted imperial on the ps4 the magicka dps picked up venom boots from the very first trash mob. we finished the others and before going in he tried to give them to me. nope bound on pick up.

never seen a piece since. Don't expect to.

player_klaus · September 2015

quoting from another thread:

player_klaus wrote: »

.de/eu player here. (sry for my bad english)

since ic release i have opened 8 trophy vaults (4 in both IP/WGT).
this weekend i have farmed the instances exessive with my guild/friends

we had 3 IP-runs in a row with no drop at all for the whole crew!

-on the 4th run our tank got the scathing hat off a deaedra-rat (zenilol?!) but not a single tank-drop so far. (well, hes not too interested in the sets)

-another run i got leeching-boots from the first AND last boss + another pair in the vault (all in all i have had 5 of theese)

-our other dps/heal got 1 item (scathing belt divine) from all the runs we did.

-one of our guildmates has more runs than 2 of us 8-vault openers together.

HE HAS NOT FOUND A SINGLE ITEM HE CAN USE YET!

-from the trophy vaults i only got stamina-dps and tank gear. (i play magica-dps/healer)
14 set-items i can not use at all. not trade. not change/merge for tokens.

-the healer/caster-dps items i was lucky to get were well-fitted or reinforced. lol. hat and shoulders mostly. lol.

i have gotten one item im happy about since we started farming the dungeons. molag kena hat infused.

but this only motivated me until today. i want to see some kind of progress on my gear. if you run theese dungeons over and over and just nothing happens... not ony for you... but your whole crew.

this is soo disapointing.

@ZOS_RichLambert

please do something and keep us informed.

my crew was so sad and silence after our last run saturday night. i fear they will break away. i know im in a lucky position to run and clear the dungeons at all. im really scared this luck wont stay any longer if all my friends and me get out of theese dungeons is frustration and dissapointment.

update:

did 3 prison runs today. no loot for the entire crew. exept last run other dps got a decent scathing piece.
opened vault, got a tank and a stamina-dps piece. deconstructed it.
other dps (mage) got 2 stamina-dps pieces. lol

right after that we did 3 tower runs. completed timerun and the "fringe?" achievement at planar. healer got "well fitted" overwhelming hands.
tank, other dps and me got nothing, again.
well, got a second kena-mask...

opened vault, again, got one yolo stamina-dps and tank piece...

cant count my runs in both dungeons anymore. i have, besides the mask, nothing i could improve my char with.

this is just silly.

Personofsecrets · September 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

I find your persistence and dedication to exposing this dubious mechanic admirable, but I think you are just wasting your time. ZoS's position is based on precedent and intent, it is not an oversight or something they are amenable to changing. Consider:
They still have end game VR16 gear dropping with the training trait. This is a red flag that indicates they do not care about logic, equity, or viability of end game raiding gear.

For a year and a half, they have done nothing to modify noncompetitive traits such as sturdy, charged, exploration, etc. Rather than having a game that promotes builds that might be diverse and done with the grind in a few weeks, ZoS would rather compel you to log in for months in order to get the cookie-cutter standard.

ZoS has consistently nerfed the reward gear you are farming so hard for. Remember the Burning Spellweave set from City of Ash? You think that's a fluke? Valkyn Skoria, Vicious Ophedia, Ravager, Infallible Aether, Archmage, and look at all those stam users chasing robust Agility rings, ready to discard their PvP medium armor sets that are capped to VR14...

Ever since 1.6, the best way to advance your character's power at ESO is nuking non-threatening mobs as opposed to actually successfully completing objectives or "winning" in the traditional sense. If hole up in your basement for a week straight and become Emperor, you get a costume. If instead you nuke zombies, you do more damage, have more resources, possess more mitigation, and open up more passives.

We all have what we think is the worst possible luck or story involved with RNG. My first DSA complete was about one year ago today. The only reward I ever really wanted was a Master's Inferno Staff. 200+ runs later with 7 charged Master's Daggers, a full set of VR14 archer's mind set, and countless Momentos of the Footman, I am still looking for that staff. Or I was. Now it is totally obsolete.

In short, the drop rate is not a bug, it's a feature.

This should be mandatory reading for those thinking about playing this game.

PriorityBalle · September 2015

Please buff the drop rate for IC dungeon sets, this is a Waste of time.

EgoRush · September 2015

It's like the game knows which sets you're after (*cough* Spell Power Cure *cough*) and refuses to give you pieces of those sets. However, I'm just making back-up builds for my healer. Currently I'm wearing 4-piece Combat Physician, 3-piece Torug, 3-piece Willpower (healthy, robust, robust...), and a sash of Scathing Mage simply to fill the last slot with something V16. Changing to V16 armour made a huge difference to healing these final dungeons, but it wasn't particularly difficult before using my old V14 gear.

Luckily I have a stamina alt, so I'm interested in stamina sets too. I'm keeping every set that drops just in case actually. I was hoping for Sheer Venom for my stamina DK, but all I seem to get is Toxic Defiance, so instead I've come up with an interesting (and probably terrible) poison/bow build that I'm now super keen to try out.

I'm patient and will wait for my damn Spell Power Cure. But until then I'm confident I can still heal with the best of them. Taking leaderboards will be where it starts to bother me as I'll know my build could still be better.

kuscoe · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Nifty2g · September 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Because there has been many threads asking for drop rate buffs or at least trophies being traded, i'd love that I don't want Embers and I'd sell or trade them for what I need. But you can trade all the stuff from PvP? And they buff drops so easily to farm? Fair enough

Also I'll be going back to PvP not the old content.

DRXHarbinger · September 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Think you've missed a bit here, in bold. I think the new content has already been done to death by the majority over and over, now it's just the pure fact there is nothing left to do on this game now other than farm and farm and farm, it's not the drop rates that are the real issue, fact is IC is that limited and small they have to make the drop rates that low to keep you coming back to hang on to ESO plus subs, imagine if you farmed it in a week, we'd be back in Cyro and ditch the ES Plus Subs, no real need for it until the next DLC comes along. I knew it was cheaper to buy it use it for one months worth and ditch it again over buying it outright...and they know it.

lathbury · September 2015

For my group the difficulty of vwgt is fine but the drops are appalling our first 4 clears no one in the group dropped any of the new sets at all. on the next four our healer got 1 set piece with a bad trait and a helm, our tank got a spell cure robe defending and I got shockmaster legs. Our other dps has only a collection of lost hatchets to show for 8 runs.

Meshal · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Because there has been many threads asking for drop rate buffs or at least trophies being traded, i'd love that I don't want Embers and I'd sell or trade them for what I need. But you can trade all the stuff from PvP? And they buff drops so easily to farm? Fair enough

Also I'll be going back to PvP not the old content.

i thought you were ok with how much grinding they added in the game!! i guess you know what i was thinking when i started my thread ^_^

and yes i already lost hope a long time ago.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Meshal wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Because there has been many threads asking for drop rate buffs or at least trophies being traded, i'd love that I don't want Embers and I'd sell or trade them for what I need. But you can trade all the stuff from PvP? And they buff drops so easily to farm? Fair enough

Also I'll be going back to PvP not the old content.

i thought you were ok with how much grinding they added in the game!! i guess you know what i was thinking when i started my thread ^_^

and yes i already lost hope a long time ago.

Grinding for gear is fine but at the level it is right now in these dungeons is just so horrible

Meshal · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever. Ok yes, it is a grind but I mean isnt that what its supposed to be I mean honestly what are you going to do after you get your gear? Back to vDSA? Ill admit that I would love to see the riduculous *** the end game crowd is going to pull the new meta but again.. Once we are done with this new content we are back to old so I dont mind any grind.

Because there has been many threads asking for drop rate buffs or at least trophies being traded, i'd love that I don't want Embers and I'd sell or trade them for what I need. But you can trade all the stuff from PvP? And they buff drops so easily to farm? Fair enough

Also I'll be going back to PvP not the old content.

i thought you were ok with how much grinding they added in the game!! i guess you know what i was thinking when i started my thread ^_^

and yes i already lost hope a long time ago.

Grinding for gear is fine but at the level it is right now in these dungeons is just so horrible

thats exactly what i've been saying in my thread and most of my comments, and you have been disagreeing with me on this part. dunno why the change of heart, but better late than never

Colosso-monstro · September 2015

I've been running the dungeons almost non stop since the second day of IC on ps4 and I would estimate that a set gear piece (1 piece) drops once every 4 or 5 dungeon runs for the whole group. So 4 people, 5 dungeon runs and 1 set piece gained through out the entire group. That's an atrocious drop rate. Don't even get starred on the math for the piece you want because we are talking such a statistical improbability that it may never happen.

Wycks · September 2015

So here is a DC example, in the dc side of the sewers tonight I fought mobs specifically that drop Bloody Claws.

In approximately 1.5 hours I got:

32 shadowhide scraps (WTF is this dropping in IC for??)
3 Bloody claws
10 Planars - I got this from killing mobs packs that have bloody claw drops

The Bloody claw drops are ridiculous.

Rings of willpower and endurance are going for 15- 60k and agility cannot even been found.

Cuyler · September 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm starting to lose hope, guess I'll give it to next week see what happens.

Honestly I dont understand the fuss... ive been farming White Man's Tower with a few regular's for the past week and the only set I dont have 5 piece of is Essence Thief which for me is whatever.

Are you trolling all of us? The past week and you have all the sets completed? You must have a horse shoe stuck up your a** that's some good rng. A majority of us have had nowhere near this experience.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Obviously exploiting the trap beast

Cuyler · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Obviously exploiting the trap beast

Yea it's one thing to go into these and complete HM every 20 min because of the trap beast exploit and another to then come to the forum claiming "what's the fuss" because you got all your stuff from exploiting.

Let's keep this discussion honest. 001% of players are legitimately completing these sets anytime in the near future. @ZOS_RichLambert can we get an update as to this discussion? We now have a gap in those with and without due to the trap exploit.

Lykurgis · September 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

I find your persistence and dedication to exposing this dubious mechanic admirable, but I think you are just wasting your time. ZoS's position is based on precedent and intent, it is not an oversight or something they are amenable to changing. Consider:
They still have end game VR16 gear dropping with the training trait. This is a red flag that indicates they do not care about logic, equity, or viability of end game raiding gear.

For a year and a half, they have done nothing to modify noncompetitive traits such as sturdy, charged, exploration, etc. Rather than having a game that promotes builds that might be diverse and done with the grind in a few weeks, ZoS would rather compel you to log in for months in order to get the cookie-cutter standard.

ZoS has consistently nerfed the reward gear you are farming so hard for. Remember the Burning Spellweave set from City of Ash? You think that's a fluke? Valkyn Skoria, Vicious Ophedia, Ravager, Infallible Aether, Archmage, and look at all those stam users chasing robust Agility rings, ready to discard their PvP medium armor sets that are capped to VR14...

Ever since 1.6, the best way to advance your character's power at ESO is nuking non-threatening mobs as opposed to actually successfully completing objectives or "winning" in the traditional sense. If hole up in your basement for a week straight and become Emperor, you get a costume. If instead you nuke zombies, you do more damage, have more resources, possess more mitigation, and open up more passives.

We all have what we think is the worst possible luck or story involved with RNG. My first DSA complete was about one year ago today. The only reward I ever really wanted was a Master's Inferno Staff. 200+ runs later with 7 charged Master's Daggers, a full set of VR14 archer's mind set, and countless Momentos of the Footman, I am still looking for that staff. Or I was. Now it is totally obsolete.

In short, the drop rate is not a bug, it's a feature.

Well said. My experience has pretty much been a mirror of what you outline here, thats why I pretty much gave up the gear chase.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Exploits ontop of a low drop rate just puts me off, haven't even gone in the dungeons for a week. I doubt there will be a drop rate increase at this point

Nikkiy · September 2015

Its been a long grind!! (guess we should have used trap beast

)
Spell Power Cure (5x perfect traits) and Overwhelming (3 out 4 with perfect traits) complete.
Scathing only 2x with reinforced though

Xjcon · September 2015

Drop rate sucks.

How do you know he is exploiting? I thought lots of you said the dungeons are not hard once you get used to them.

I've personally farmed the crap out of the first boss for embers and have had decent luck. Just like the COA helm some people get lucky while others had to do crazy amounts of runs to get one.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Because in my guild people are messaging "dungeon farm lf1dps must have rearming trap"

abhimat1999rwb17_ESO · September 2015

I've been farming WGT everyday and the drop rate is making me so pissed. In like 7-8 runs i get some good gear out of it(spell power, overwhelming) and it's hat or shoulders which i can't use in my build. It's becoming a big chore and I don;t have enough time to farm it all day. Been enjoying this game since beta but i don;t enjoy it anymore.