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Another Molag Bal Kill - Another Loot Disappointment
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No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
Edited by Personofsecrets on September 16, 2015 7:46AM 15
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✭✭They're going to start offering loot in the Crown Store...Edited by CGPsaint on September 16, 2015 4:11PM9 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
Ive probably killed Molag Baal in the center about 20 times, But have only gotten loot twice.
Its really pathetic.
I don't even go to the center any more. Its a waste of time. The only way to get the new essence rune is to pay 50k for it in zone after someone else gets it. Not fair at all.3 -
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✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
Ive probably killed Molag Baal in the center about 20 times, But have only gotten loot twice.
Its really pathetic.
I don't even go to the center any more. Its a waste of time. The only way to get the new essence rune is to pay 50k for it in zone after someone else gets it. Not fair at all.
I would like to be totally sure that those who finish in the money are guaranteed to get loot. It seems that way, but I'm not 100% on this.0 -
ontheleftcoast✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, as a tank I find the only way I get drop from Molag Bal in the city center is to either run with a group of 12. If I do it with a large group, over 20, then I have to get at least three Flawless Dawnbreakers in and aggressively use my taunts to wrack up enough damage to register for loot.
But tanks are always 3rd class in this game there's no award for "blocked damage" but there are for DPS and heals. There are numerous fights that are "DPS checks" or "require mega heals" but when was the last fight of any sort where a 4 man team needed 2 tanks to complete it?
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✭✭✭@ontheleftcoast ,
I suggest not using the pierce armor debuffing taunt against Molag Bal. Tanks who do use the pierce armor debuff will disproportionately increase others damage compared to their own which will result in them having less of a chance at getting loot and being punished for doing what a tank should do.
Hear that @ZOS_RichLambert ?6 -
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✭✭So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.1 -
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✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
You stop shifting the goal posts RIGHT NOW @Forestd16b14_ESO . Don't you dare imply that I'm asking to be given top tier gear on a silver platter. I have more hard to obtain gear, because I put in the effort, than you even know exists.
Mostly what I would like is a chance at the new pets, but even a few bone shards would be nice. Most of all, I would like tanks to be rewarded for their group play.12 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
They need to move that New Essence rune off of Molag Baal and put it in a place where it is accessible for anyone. As a tank, you don't get loot from him period. I payed my $25 dollars to be able to get the new essence rune along with other things. This is totally unacceptable that my character is not able to get loot from molag baal 98% of the time.6 -
Fissh✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
In the masses of pug loot grabbing, tanks are not doing enough DPS to ensure their rightful loot chance. Same goes for healers. The OP simply wants equal opportunity, NOT higher drops rates. You should understand the "logic" before you preach the"logic"......<X-Raided>12 -
ontheleftcoast✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »@ontheleftcoast ,
I suggest not using the pierce armor debuffing taunt against Molag Bal. Tanks who do use the pierce armor debuff will disproportionately increase others damage compared to their own which will result in them having less of a chance at getting loot and being punished for doing what a tank should do.
Hear that @ZOS_RichLambert ?
Yeah, which is why I don't use Pierce Armor, I use the taunt in the Undaunted skill line. It's way better for my toon who is a magicka tank Sorcerer. It's ranged which makes taunting 4-5 enemies in a fight much easier than trying to run around and whack them all with my sword. And it has a nearly 40% chance of proc'ing a nice AoE damage effect as a synergy. Also, it's magicka based which unlike stamina regenerates while I'm shield blocking.
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Fissh✭✭✭✭✭On this note, more curious outcomes....
We had a full 12 man group pull Molag, and a 6man pug group jumped in on the kill. Total: 18 players. Our group pulled him, i.e. our ttank's taunt was the first engagement once he spawned.
The 6 man group got the loot and Noone in the 12 did.
Any care to explain?<X-Raided>2 -
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✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
They need to move that New Essence rune off of Molag Baal and put it in a place where it is accessible for anyone. As a tank, you don't get loot from him period. I payed my $25 dollars to be able to get the new essence rune along with other things. This is totally unacceptable that my character is not able to get loot from molag baal 98% of the time.
Didn't ZOS imply that this rune would be one of the key factors in making hybrid builds competitive?1 -
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✭✭✭On this note, more curious outcomes....
We had a full 12 man group pull Molag, and a 6man pug group jumped in on the kill. Total: 18 players. Our group pulled him, i.e. our ttank's taunt was the first engagement once he spawned.
The 6 man group got the loot and Noone in the 12 did.
Any care to explain?
Quoted for emphasis.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , is Molag Bal intended to drop loot for, at least, 12 players and, if it is, can you have one of the developers look into how Molag Bal is dropping loot?2 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
They need to move that New Essence rune off of Molag Baal and put it in a place where it is accessible for anyone. As a tank, you don't get loot from him period. I payed my $25 dollars to be able to get the new essence rune along with other things. This is totally unacceptable that my character is not able to get loot from molag baal 98% of the time.
Didn't ZOS imply that this rune would be one of the key factors in making hybrid builds competitive?
If you deck your toon out with 7 Prismatic tri stat glyphs with this essence rune, Its basically free life. That's it. Its not enough life to make a highly competitive Hybrid with it. Its actually 10x better for a Non Hybrid build.1 -
ontheleftcoast✭✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »MrBeatDown wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So you want a 100% garantie that you will get epic loot from killing a hard boss..... Yea if ZOS used that logic every one have masters gear or Molag Kena or full healer set. Really if any MMO used that logic every one have the epic loot and be OP just deal with it your not always gonna get what you want.
They need to move that New Essence rune off of Molag Baal and put it in a place where it is accessible for anyone. As a tank, you don't get loot from him period. I payed my $25 dollars to be able to get the new essence rune along with other things. This is totally unacceptable that my character is not able to get loot from molag baal 98% of the time.
Didn't ZOS imply that this rune would be one of the key factors in making hybrid builds competitive?
If you deck your toon out with 7 Prismatic tri stat glyphs with this essence rune, Its basically free life. That's it. Its not enough life to make a highly competitive Hybrid with it. Its actually 10x better for a Non Hybrid build.
Pretty much the case, 2000 extra stamina isn't going to turn my magicka based tank into a stamina damage machine. It will help in his ability to dish out damage while tanking. But in order to get those runes I have to first make it to VR16 (on 25k XP to go, yeah!) then kill Molag Bal about 100 times to get 7 runes. Yeah.. that's going to be a hell of a grind.
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✭The only thing needed to have as healer-tank-support role a fair share
is to base the loot mechanics on number of hits
(of the solo person, or the average of a group)
and to be even more fair
to give 2 points for within melee distance and 1 point for ranged
to encourage AND reward bravery
above long distance glass canon DD
BTW
I think it is a shame that role players that stand their ground, like good footman should, are sooo much set back by the hit and run skirmish culture that is only strenghtened by the last update
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✭I got a Hekeijo (tri-stat essence Rune) off a Trove Scamp last night, just in case anyone else thinks it just drops on the defeat of the Molag Bal Simalacrum in the Center Sewers. I do admit the 1st time I got that same essence Rune it was off the Molag Bal encounter though..Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on September 16, 2015 12:17AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.
That's your problem then.
If you're not grouped just go DPS and don't worry about tanking it. World Bosses have functioned this way since craglorn. I've killed him 3 times, got garbage loot each time. Now I just kill people doing the encounter for their stones and if I need a rune I'll buy it. The 4 I've used so far I got from trove scamps.
Expecting loot from bosses getting zerged down is pretty lame.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.
That's your problem then.
If you're not grouped just go DPS and don't worry about tanking it. World Bosses have functioned this way since craglorn. I've killed him 3 times, got garbage loot each time. Now I just kill people doing the encounter for their stones and if I need a rune I'll buy it. The 4 I've used so far I got from trove scamps.
Expecting loot from bosses getting zerged down is pretty lame.
No, my problem is people like you who don't care if tanks get loot or not.
Tanks deserve their fair share.
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.
That's your problem then.
If you're not grouped just go DPS and don't worry about tanking it. World Bosses have functioned this way since craglorn. I've killed him 3 times, got garbage loot each time. Now I just kill people doing the encounter for their stones and if I need a rune I'll buy it. The 4 I've used so far I got from trove scamps.
Expecting loot from bosses getting zerged down is pretty lame.
And stop pretending like you know the circumstances of what happens. You don't. You were not there and you can never tell anyone that their group was the wrong size.
>Oh, you were by yourself, then you should have been with more! Ha, got ya!
>Oh, you were with others, then you should have been with less! Ha, got ya!
I have little control over who comes to and who leaves a fight. How about we focus on making the game better for tanks rather than keeping tanks in a foolish catch 22.Edited by Personofsecrets on September 16, 2015 12:39AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.
That's your problem then.
If you're not grouped just go DPS and don't worry about tanking it. World Bosses have functioned this way since craglorn. I've killed him 3 times, got garbage loot each time. Now I just kill people doing the encounter for their stones and if I need a rune I'll buy it. The 4 I've used so far I got from trove scamps.
Expecting loot from bosses getting zerged down is pretty lame.
No, my problem is people like you who don't care if tanks get loot or not.
Tanks deserve their fair share.
You're assuming I care about loot period. I don't. I just told you exactly how to get loot as a tank. Join a group and ensure they do enough DPS to make the cut for your group. Either way the Molag bal encounter doesn't even need a tank, the majority of the damage is those AoEs. If you want to solo then you're going to have to compete. If damage taken were the metric used to determine loot then every derp who stood in fire would be a champion. Standing there and holding block while taunting a single weak hitting mob doesn't entitle you to anything.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »No loot from Molag Bal again @ZOS_RichLambert . Tell me again how you are making the game more fun for tanks.
The molag bal fight in the center is tuned to be easy enough to 4 man and you are bringing more than 12 people to do a fight that lets you ress if you die and expect to get loot?
No, I'm not bringing anyone.
That's your problem then.
If you're not grouped just go DPS and don't worry about tanking it. World Bosses have functioned this way since craglorn. I've killed him 3 times, got garbage loot each time. Now I just kill people doing the encounter for their stones and if I need a rune I'll buy it. The 4 I've used so far I got from trove scamps.
Expecting loot from bosses getting zerged down is pretty lame.
No, my problem is people like you who don't care if tanks get loot or not.
Tanks deserve their fair share.
You're assuming I care about loot period. I don't. I just told you exactly how to get loot as a tank. Join a group and ensure they do enough DPS to make the cut for your group. Either way the Molag bal encounter doesn't even need a tank, the majority of the damage is those AoEs. If you want to solo then you're going to have to compete. If damage taken were the metric used to determine loot then every derp who stood in fire would be a champion. Standing there and holding block while taunting a single weak hitting mob doesn't entitle you to anything.
Again, if you aren't going to be part of the solution that makes the game better for tanks, then you are part of the problem and can leave this thread.3 -
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Ezareth Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 18 - Chillrend NA
Never tank for this clown in a dungeon folks. Let this guy dps his 4 man group by himself to get his first Molag Kena.
What a clown.Edited by MrBeatDown on September 16, 2015 12:44AM2 -
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✭✭✭@Ezareth , you have the same caricature view of tanking that got us the stamina regeneration nerf.
We don't just taunt and block. You aren't knowledgeable about tanking and you therefore don't get a say in this conversation.4 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »@Ezareth , you have the same caricature view of tanking that got us the stamina regeneration nerf.
We don't just taunt and block. You aren't knowledgeable about tanking and you therefore don't get a say in this conversation.
Hes also the same guy that said Sharpend maces were not bugged Pre IC Update. I can search the post if I want too and prove it. If something works out great for him, Then P I S S on everybody else, even if its wrong.2 -
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✭MrBeatDown wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »@Ezareth , you have the same caricature view of tanking that got us the stamina regeneration nerf.
We don't just taunt and block. You aren't knowledgeable about tanking and you therefore don't get a say in this conversation.
Hes also the same guy that said Sharpend maces were not bugged Pre IC Update. I can search the post if I want too and prove it. If something works out great for him, Then P I S S on everybody else, even if its wrong.
haha... Or just another topic he knows nothing about...."I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU1 -
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✭Ah so this is why I got screamed at in zone chat by a group leader the other day. He was annoyed I was following his group when in fact I was just looking for players and grabbing some xp/loot on the way before I logged off for the day. Saw them with molag bal and joined in. He then calls me out in zone, calling me stupid, swearing at me and accusing me of pulling all the mobs, which wasn't even slightly true. I now realise he was just annoyed I was out-dpsing his whole group. Is that what they call a special snowflake?Edited by FriedEggSandwich on September 16, 2015 12:52AMPC | EU0
