ZOS Fix The Imperial City Dungeon Drop Rates.

Sallington · September 2015

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Will check into the drop rates.

The drop rates right now are fine if the gear was BoE and could be traded/sold. For everything being BoP, the drop rate is so ungodly low that I don't expect to ever see a 5 piece bonus.

Leandor · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Will check into the drop rates.

The drop rates right now are fine if the gear was BoE and could be traded/sold. For everything being BoP, the drop rate is so ungodly low that I don't expect to ever see a 5 piece bonus.

I could be convinced to agree if the traits were limited to the useful ones with a usage appropriate distribution, meaning a higher chance for Divines on small pieces as opposed to Impenetrable or Reinforced, as an example.

krees28b14_ESO · September 2015

Wait... I have not run either IC on vet level yet so let me understand this. The bosses have an EXTREMELY low chance at dropping gear. We are talking worse than helm drop rates. (I know some of you have amazing RNG with monster helms but I do not as I cannot get the ones I want even with farming, thanks Zeni for knowing I will never have these helms and my dps suffers from it) When a piece does drop they have extremely bad, maybe only used as a leveling trait, on them. Not to mention IF you can get the dungeon trophy to drop, again not seeing this ever happen for me, the gear is still completely random and has horrible traits on them also.

To sum this up, I will run WGT for the achievements and probably the gold keys. Other than that Zenimax, you wasted your time designing these dungeons as I will not run them after that. Something tells me others will feel the same way.

Does that about sum up the drop rates here?

Gilliamtherogue · September 2015

Starshadw wrote: »

The new DLC has been out a little more than a week, and you already have two Daggers of Agility. Methinks thou probably shouldn't be complaining about difficulties in obtaining top gear.

And today kids, we're going to learn about something called planning ahead. I saved all of my money and mats months before IC hit, because I knew content was coming.
It's easy to get things day one when you have access to small country's worth of gold

Not to mention being frugal and spending 2 hours a day looking through every Kiosk in Tamriel to get each dagger for 80k. And as Nifty stated, the gear was BOE, removing it completely from the "gear grind" because I had access to it from someone else's good RNG.

Gilliamtherogue · September 2015

Another burst of farming, 2 complete vICP and 3 complete vWGT clears, and I got one set piece. (Sheer venom reinforced legs). @ZoS please, I know you were watching the stream I was in. Fix this absurdity and reimburse players who have been participating in your content with no rewards.

G0ku · September 2015

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

All Dungeon achievements completed, 20-25 runs of both veteran dungeons.

Can I see your pet reward? Also, does it randomly explode into fleshy bits like the sewers ones? I'm excited to get mine.

You quoted me wrong there, I´m not that person.

Did two runs on normal today with my lucky argonian DK, which I barely use, and got 2 set-parts in one run. My templar main seems indeed cursed.

Nifty2g · September 2015

G0ku wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

All Dungeon achievements completed, 20-25 runs of both veteran dungeons.

Can I see your pet reward? Also, does it randomly explode into fleshy bits like the sewers ones? I'm excited to get mine.

You quoted me wrong there, I´m not that person.

Did two runs on normal today with my lucky argonian DK, which I barely use, and got 2 set-parts in one run. My templar main seems indeed cursed.

Weird, we did 3 runs of each dungeon in full, streamed it devs were in channel watching. None of us got decent loot, everyone got 1 piece, and I got a heavy leeching reinforced. Not to mention we completed almost every dungeon achievement at this point except the no death one since we're just rushing through no caring trying to get loot.

I dislike that I almost have every achievement for both dungeons except 1 each and all I got to show for it is 2 Overwhelming and 1 Scathing Mage piece.

Odd how your group is getting so many drops but every single person I run with gets nothing

G0ku · September 2015

It was only today and the first time anything dropped for me. And then 2 pieces in one run. One chest divine light (sth. with crit) and leeching breeches, cannot remember the trait right now. It was White Gold tower normal mode tanking with my argonian DK.

You could try to wipe once at a boss, because this happened before each drop as I was in there with inexperienced players. That´s the only different thing that happened compared to the others runs where we didn´t have complete wipes just sole deaths.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Will check into the drop rates.

The drop rates right now are fine if the gear was BoE and could be traded/sold. For everything being BoP, the drop rate is so ungodly low that I don't expect to ever see a 5 piece bonus.

No to this, even if it was BoE the gear drops so low that it would sell 1mil per piece

asneakybanana · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alright for starters yes I know this is end game gear from White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, and I know it should be a difficult process to be had, but right now this is completely absurd what the drop rates are, I have been farming both Normal and Veteran to compare the drop rates, I did about 50 runs of both White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison on Normal Mode, I got no drops at all so then my group switched to Veteran. We farmed until we got enough trophies for the vaults, used them, and the only person who got decent gear was me. Not to mention the only thing during those runs that dropped from the bosses were 1 piece of Imperium Belt and Belt of Scathing Mage. The other guys got pretty much nothing. So we kept going until we got 2 more sets of Trophies, still barely any loot the only thing I got from another 30 odd runs per dungeon was a Jerkin of Overwhelming.

These dungeons take about ~40 minutes to complete on Veteran, each dungeon drops 2 sets of Light, Medium and Heavy and they come in random traits. The trophies are 150 needed to open a vault which drops ONE PIECE OF GEAR, the bosses drop nothing but generic named dungeon loot and the Trophies are bound, so why do they drop 1 piece of gear is a bad mistake in my opinion, they have the right to very well drop more than 1 set item which may or may not be the right piece with a random trait.

So all in all, what exactly is the point of farming these dungeons with this massive absurd time sink which by the looks of it is going to take several months to complete a gear set up and on top of that, these dungeons are of no value, they are not hard to complete, they have no leaderboards there is honestly no reason to go back into them like there was for Trials and VDSA, the replay value is little to none with drop rates like these it's enough to make people want to quit playing the game.

I was hoping to give some honest feedback as I highly doubt there are many players like the group of 4 I am running with farming these dungeons, I have heard a lot of people saying the drop rates are really low and I just wanted to confirm how much of a grind it actually is and not many have opened the dungeon vaults yet to give feedback, but I hope you guys look into adding more item pieces to them, it would make me more sane doing this grind knowing I have a chance of getting loot from the dungeon and then knowing I will for certainty get 5 pieces of loot and 1 or 2 may be useful that isn't a Lost Hatchet, Subjugation Fist or a Frostbite Staff.

Seems like you drew the short straw. In 3.5 runs of the new dungeons I've managed to get 6 pieces of gear already. 3 of the 6 being either scathing or overwhelming. However after opening 20+ keys I've only gotten 1 new shoulder and it was Lord wardens dusk garbage. I still expect it to take ages to perfectly gear tho.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Please update us @ZOS_RichLambert it's killing me

SorataArisugawa · September 2015

I hope they find out, that its not working as intended. If this would be the targeted droprate... I just hope, thats not the case.

Kas · September 2015

Made two runs in vet WGT yesterday. my loot:
Boots of the Imperium with set boni of the Archmage set and a disease damage enchant (on f*ing boots!)

Used the ingame bug report tool, no idea if it will ever be looked at...

Nifty2g · September 2015

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

I hope they find out, that its not working as intended. If this would be the targeted droprate... I just hope, thats not the case.

Yeah, after countless runs and it hasn't been fixed yet I've decided I have no interest in playing until fixed, there's no reward, there's no replay value, trophy chests drop 1 item so it's even more unlikely you'll get something you want. And I've done every achievement except the no death ones.

Please Eric and @ZOS_RichLambert can you guys make changes ASAP

P3ZZL3 · September 2015

@Nifty2g Not being funny, but you did start this thread 2 days ago. Rich has commented and said they are looking in to it, you've even had devs watch a run yesterday, and yet you want it fixed immediately, as in, now. Today.

You're on the NA server, posting at what must be 2-4am your time, asking for an update.

Chill man. You have had more action from the devs in this thread than I've seen in any over the last 6 mths, and you're complaining it's not fixed yet?

Nifty2g · September 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Nifty2g Not being funny, but you did start this thread 2 days ago. Rich has commented and said they are looking in to it, you've even had devs watch a run yesterday, and yet you want it fixed immediately, as in, now. Today.

You're on the NA server, posting at what must be 2-4am your time, asking for an update.

Chill man. You have had more action from the devs in this thread than I've seen in any over the last 6 mths, and you're complaining it's not fixed yet?

Nah I'm from Australia, posting at active times. Also you have to understand/remember... this is the only content for the first time in almost a year and for majority of us it's serving no replay value, it's very gold heavy to farm the dungeons, potions, repairs etc, the xp is pretty low compared to those farming in sewers. Strip away the reward of gear from it, what's the point? Of course I among others want it fixed lol, why wouldn't we? It's brand new content that is quickly wearing off, I really do like the game and find it fun, like the content etc. Plus I purchased the content and got a membership it help support the game I enjoy. Thought I'd give some feedback on something that is kind've important to fix up/change around for those who purchased the DLC for that reason
But that's just my thoughts

P3ZZL3 · September 2015

@Nifty2g Hey, I do agree with the points. Absolutely. And also agree that from some peoples perspective (and I think it's fair to say, not the majority) it is indeed important to get it looked at.

Then again, throw in all the bugs in the bug list that the community have had to put together and monitor, as @ZOS won't, combined with the incessant Lag, Loading screens and random boots from game, one might argue there are other areas that need to be fixed first.

But as you rightly point out, it is down to peoples perspective and where they are in the game and for what reasons

Glad to see the Aussies represent though

Also, Rich is probably only just stumbling out of bed right now, reaching for that first cup of coffee

Personally, I've not been in to the new dungeons partly because of this. Can't really see the value when I'm still getting better DPS using old v14 gear right now..lol

Meshal · September 2015

no word on this yet

Murmeltier · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty, can you get overwhelming in heavy armor?

There is an item code for a medium piece so I'm unsure if it drops from vaults in medium or heavy. Lol with this drop rate I will never know.

Does normal mode give v15 only?

Yeah it does, Veteran drops VR16 loot from the trash too, unless you got time to farm 15 hours a day for 3 months I wouldn't bother trying to get it.

Well, fortunately I don't really need any of the new sets.

Some friends were trying to get me to do normal mode runs, because we don't have the skill to beat vet, and I really can't be bothered to get items that I don't need, at a lower than optimal level, and that will more than likely be a terrible trait.

Maybe once vet mode gets nerfd and if there are some itemization changes, then the sets will be worth farming.

The difficulty is fine you adapt after a few runs, but the drop rate.

Sorry but i have to disagee this Part. I was in there on VR1 - VR16, with good and bad playing Randomgroups, and Hell the Damage is Insane, the Players gets their.

Many Onehit Situations, and it is a very Dangerous Thing for a Healer there, to cast another Skill then the Burstheal/Aoe, or it could End in a Wipe.

I have a fully VR16 (Glass Style

) Equip and my Staff was glowing like the Sceptre of Zeus, after bursting for Minutes. And my Build & Set is damn good and balanced, i can burst Flashheals for a long Time, but there i thought "Let us do Sanctum with 4 Players, it is easier".

Another Skill like Spearshard for an Example, could kill a Player, because the Damage is high and fast. So you have to decide carefully if the Tank yells "F***, i have no Stamina, SHARDS", if you throw them.

The Damage is Insane their, i repeat. Sure, with a damn good Group of Pros, it is "easy" to run in there and train this. But not with a Random Group, of good Players on Veteran Mode VR16.

So, this will hit the Randoms and the "only" good playing Gamers, in Teso, there will be an Abyss between them and the "Pros".

It cant be that a Gold Daily for Helmets & Sets and the only new PvE Dungeons with 1.7, is locked behind a Difficulty who will splitt the Player Groups in the Ones who get VR16 Equip, and the Ones who get a Heartattack. In Addition with insanly low Droprates, and no BoE.

Zos, do you want to lose many Players, whats the Reason for such a Descision? Timesink, if it is, then i called it a bad Descision. The Players waited a Long Time for the Sets, new Content, a really bad Descision.

There is a big Difference between a trained Guildtroup and good playing Gamers, that doesnt mean that the single Player is not so skilled, but it means that the Teamwork from the trained Groups, will help a lot of.

So make the Equip BoE, lower the Difficulty, so that all Players have a Chance to get one of the new Sets, and raise the Dropchance.

Frenkthevile · September 2015

I did 100 times Elden Hollow vet14 and never got the Head piece. I stopped going EHvet.

Nifty2g · September 2015

Murmeltier wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty, can you get overwhelming in heavy armor?

There is an item code for a medium piece so I'm unsure if it drops from vaults in medium or heavy. Lol with this drop rate I will never know.

Does normal mode give v15 only?

Yeah it does, Veteran drops VR16 loot from the trash too, unless you got time to farm 15 hours a day for 3 months I wouldn't bother trying to get it.

Well, fortunately I don't really need any of the new sets.

Some friends were trying to get me to do normal mode runs, because we don't have the skill to beat vet, and I really can't be bothered to get items that I don't need, at a lower than optimal level, and that will more than likely be a terrible trait.

Maybe once vet mode gets nerfd and if there are some itemization changes, then the sets will be worth farming.

The difficulty is fine you adapt after a few runs, but the drop rate.

Sorry but i have to disagee this Part. I was in there on VR1 - VR16, with good and bad playing Randomgroups, and Hell the Damage is Insane, the Players gets their.

Many Onehit Situations, and it is a very Dangerous Thing for a Healer there, to cast another Skill then the Burstheal/Aoe, or it could End in a Wipe.

I have a fully VR16 (Glass Style ) Equip and my Staff was glowing like the Sceptre of Zeus, after bursting for Minutes. And my Build & Set is damn good and balanced, i can burst Flashheals for a long Time, but there i thought "Let us do Sanctum with 4 Players, it is easier".

Another Skill like Spearshard for an Example, could kill a Player, because the Damage is high and fast. So you have to decide carefully if the Tank yells "F***, i have no Stamina, SHARDS", if you throw them.

The Damage is Insane their, i repeat. Sure, with a damn good Group of Pros, it is "easy" to run in there and train this. But not with a Random Group, of good Players on Veteran Mode VR16.

So, this will hit the Randoms and the "only" good playing Gamers, in Teso, there will be an Abyss between them and the "Pros".

It cant be that a Gold Daily for Helmets & Sets and the only new PvE Dungeons with 1.7, is locked behind a Difficulty who will splitt the Player Groups in the Ones who get VR16 Equip, and the Ones who get a Heartattack. In Addition with insanly low Droprates, and no BoE.

Zos, do you want to lose many Players, whats the Reason for such a Descision? Timesink, if it is, then i called it a bad Descision. The Players waited a Long Time for the Sets, new Content, a really bad Descision.

There is a big Difference between a trained Guildtroup and good playing Gamers, that doesnt mean that the single Player is not so skilled, but it means that the Teamwork from the trained Groups, will help a lot of.

So make the Equip BoE, lower the Difficulty, so that all Players have a Chance to get one of the new Sets, and raise the Dropchance.

I don't disagree it's hard, it's probably the hardest content in ESO right now in terms of PvE and rightfully so. But what I disagree is why a group of randoms would get together and then be unable to clear it even though it's marketed and sold as the most difficult content we have seen. I mean if you jump into that dungeon with a random group of people you don't know you're obviously going to have a rough time, that also goes for any trial and vdsa, dungeons have always been marked as end game raiding for guilds.

I agree about the damage, it's pretty insane and it's good to have an offhealer with you to have less trouble, there are so many one shot mechanics on the trash that directly effect me because I use Puncturing Sweep a lot which drops my block and resorts in a steel tornado for 21,000 damage.

Dunkmeister · September 2015

May just be bad RNG. We ran vWGT last night twice and our group got 2 pieces of imperium and 2 pieces of overwhelming. Gonna try some more runs today and tomorrow. Ill let you know.

Nifty2g · September 2015

pcdunkleyub17_ESO wrote: »

May just be bad RNG. We ran vWGT last night twice and our group got 2 pieces of imperium and 2 pieces of overwhelming. Gonna try some more runs today and tomorrow. Ill let you know.

@pcdunkleyub17_ESO what server you on?

Kas · September 2015

awesome, isn't it?

Leandor · September 2015

Kas wrote: »

awesome, isn't it?

Someone has a quirky sense of humour, there... "Mate, if you pull off those steel boots, the contents definitely can be considered 'befouled'..."

Daveheart · September 2015

Kas wrote: »

awesome, isn't it?

Saw a disease enchant on the legs too.

Kas · September 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

awesome, isn't it?

Saw a disease enchant on the legs too.

also wrong set bonus, then?
i guess i'm supposed to kick some deadra in the nuts with those boots. will disease him and restore my magicka if ithe kick is heavy enough

Murmeltier · September 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty, can you get overwhelming in heavy armor?

There is an item code for a medium piece so I'm unsure if it drops from vaults in medium or heavy. Lol with this drop rate I will never know.

Does normal mode give v15 only?

Yeah it does, Veteran drops VR16 loot from the trash too, unless you got time to farm 15 hours a day for 3 months I wouldn't bother trying to get it.

Well, fortunately I don't really need any of the new sets.

Some friends were trying to get me to do normal mode runs, because we don't have the skill to beat vet, and I really can't be bothered to get items that I don't need, at a lower than optimal level, and that will more than likely be a terrible trait.

Maybe once vet mode gets nerfd and if there are some itemization changes, then the sets will be worth farming.

The difficulty is fine you adapt after a few runs, but the drop rate.

Sorry but i have to disagee this Part. I was in there on VR1 - VR16, with good and bad playing Randomgroups, and Hell the Damage is Insane, the Players gets their.

Many Onehit Situations, and it is a very Dangerous Thing for a Healer there, to cast another Skill then the Burstheal/Aoe, or it could End in a Wipe.

I have a fully VR16 (Glass Style ) Equip and my Staff was glowing like the Sceptre of Zeus, after bursting for Minutes. And my Build & Set is damn good and balanced, i can burst Flashheals for a long Time, but there i thought "Let us do Sanctum with 4 Players, it is easier".

Another Skill like Spearshard for an Example, could kill a Player, because the Damage is high and fast. So you have to decide carefully if the Tank yells "F***, i have no Stamina, SHARDS", if you throw them.

The Damage is Insane their, i repeat. Sure, with a damn good Group of Pros, it is "easy" to run in there and train this. But not with a Random Group, of good Players on Veteran Mode VR16.

So, this will hit the Randoms and the "only" good playing Gamers, in Teso, there will be an Abyss between them and the "Pros".

It cant be that a Gold Daily for Helmets & Sets and the only new PvE Dungeons with 1.7, is locked behind a Difficulty who will splitt the Player Groups in the Ones who get VR16 Equip, and the Ones who get a Heartattack. In Addition with insanly low Droprates, and no BoE.

Zos, do you want to lose many Players, whats the Reason for such a Descision? Timesink, if it is, then i called it a bad Descision. The Players waited a Long Time for the Sets, new Content, a really bad Descision.

There is a big Difference between a trained Guildtroup and good playing Gamers, that doesnt mean that the single Player is not so skilled, but it means that the Teamwork from the trained Groups, will help a lot of.

So make the Equip BoE, lower the Difficulty, so that all Players have a Chance to get one of the new Sets, and raise the Dropchance.

I don't disagree it's hard, it's probably the hardest content in ESO right now in terms of PvE and rightfully so. But what I disagree is why a group of randoms would get together and then be unable to clear it even though it's marketed and sold as the most difficult content we have seen. I mean if you jump into that dungeon with a random group of people you don't know you're obviously going to have a rough time, that also goes for any trial and vdsa, dungeons have always been marked as end game raiding for guilds.

I agree about the damage, it's pretty insane and it's good to have an offhealer with you to have less trouble, there are so many one shot mechanics on the trash that directly effect me because I use Puncturing Sweep a lot which drops my block and resorts in a steel tornado for 21,000 damage.

You dont agree this Point, because you think that a hard Content should be earned through Skill and Teamwork, i have no Problems with that.

The Problem i see is, that the Difference in Skill & Equip and Teamwork must be so high, that mostly no Randomgroup of good Players could do the new Dungeons on Veteran Mode VR16 successfully.

So what do you mean happens if i search over /z like this "LFM Whitegoldtower / Imperial Prison, only experienced Players with VR16 Equip". For sure, the most Players dont answer, havent VR16 Equip, so they are out for a Long Time.

The others maybe are good Players, but we both know, only good Players isnt enough for the new two Dungeons on Veteran Mode VR16, in the most Case. At the End of Day, the most Players are locked out the new Content, cant farm the only new Sets which came with 1.7, on VR16.

It could be ok, if Zos only put some Titles, Cosmetics or Archievements behind the Difficulty on Veteran Mode VR16, but not the Undaunted Daily Masks and the most of the new PvE Sets. The only new PvE Sets / Masks for a Long Time, till 1.6. I couldnt find the Info that Zos said, that the most new Sets & Masks on VR16, is only made for some Elitist Players with their trained Groups.

Both Sides could be happy, the Hardcore"raiders" and the Casuals, if only a Part maybe a Costume, Colour or Title is locked behind the Difficulty, and not of the most new PvE Equip on VR16. Make the Sets BoE and the Problem for both Sides, Pros & Casuals, is solved.

I can understand that you want some Prestige you can Show, something Special that all People can see, fine. But not at the cost of the most other PvE Players. This isnt Elitist Gaming Online, this is Teso Online, where a good Player should have a fair Chance to earn his VR16 Equip.

GilGalad · September 2015

Murmeltier wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty, can you get overwhelming in heavy armor?

There is an item code for a medium piece so I'm unsure if it drops from vaults in medium or heavy. Lol with this drop rate I will never know.

Does normal mode give v15 only?

Yeah it does, Veteran drops VR16 loot from the trash too, unless you got time to farm 15 hours a day for 3 months I wouldn't bother trying to get it.

Well, fortunately I don't really need any of the new sets.

Some friends were trying to get me to do normal mode runs, because we don't have the skill to beat vet, and I really can't be bothered to get items that I don't need, at a lower than optimal level, and that will more than likely be a terrible trait.

Maybe once vet mode gets nerfd and if there are some itemization changes, then the sets will be worth farming.

The difficulty is fine you adapt after a few runs, but the drop rate.

Sorry but i have to disagee this Part. I was in there on VR1 - VR16, with good and bad playing Randomgroups, and Hell the Damage is Insane, the Players gets their.

Many Onehit Situations, and it is a very Dangerous Thing for a Healer there, to cast another Skill then the Burstheal/Aoe, or it could End in a Wipe.

I have a fully VR16 (Glass Style ) Equip and my Staff was glowing like the Sceptre of Zeus, after bursting for Minutes. And my Build & Set is damn good and balanced, i can burst Flashheals for a long Time, but there i thought "Let us do Sanctum with 4 Players, it is easier".

Another Skill like Spearshard for an Example, could kill a Player, because the Damage is high and fast. So you have to decide carefully if the Tank yells "F***, i have no Stamina, SHARDS", if you throw them.

The Damage is Insane their, i repeat. Sure, with a damn good Group of Pros, it is "easy" to run in there and train this. But not with a Random Group, of good Players on Veteran Mode VR16.

So, this will hit the Randoms and the "only" good playing Gamers, in Teso, there will be an Abyss between them and the "Pros".

It cant be that a Gold Daily for Helmets & Sets and the only new PvE Dungeons with 1.7, is locked behind a Difficulty who will splitt the Player Groups in the Ones who get VR16 Equip, and the Ones who get a Heartattack. In Addition with insanly low Droprates, and no BoE.

Zos, do you want to lose many Players, whats the Reason for such a Descision? Timesink, if it is, then i called it a bad Descision. The Players waited a Long Time for the Sets, new Content, a really bad Descision.

There is a big Difference between a trained Guildtroup and good playing Gamers, that doesnt mean that the single Player is not so skilled, but it means that the Teamwork from the trained Groups, will help a lot of.

So make the Equip BoE, lower the Difficulty, so that all Players have a Chance to get one of the new Sets, and raise the Dropchance.

I don't disagree it's hard, it's probably the hardest content in ESO right now in terms of PvE and rightfully so. But what I disagree is why a group of randoms would get together and then be unable to clear it even though it's marketed and sold as the most difficult content we have seen. I mean if you jump into that dungeon with a random group of people you don't know you're obviously going to have a rough time, that also goes for any trial and vdsa, dungeons have always been marked as end game raiding for guilds.

I agree about the damage, it's pretty insane and it's good to have an offhealer with you to have less trouble, there are so many one shot mechanics on the trash that directly effect me because I use Puncturing Sweep a lot which drops my block and resorts in a steel tornado for 21,000 damage.

You dont agree this Point, because you think that a hard Content should be earned through Skill and Teamwork, i have no Problems with that.

The Problem i see is, that the Difference in Skill & Equip and Teamwork must be so high, that mostly no Randomgroup of good Players could do the new Dungeons on Veteran Mode VR16 successfully.

So what do you mean happens if i search over /z like this "LFM Whitegoldtower / Imperial Prison, only experienced Players with VR16 Equip". For sure, the most Players dont answer, havent VR16 Equip, so they are out for a Long Time.

The others maybe are good Players, but we both know, only good Players isnt enough for the new two Dungeons on Veteran Mode VR16, in the most Case. At the End of Day, the most Players are locked out the new Content, cant farm the only new Sets which came with 1.7, on VR16.

It could be ok, if Zos only put some Titles, Cosmetics or Archievements behind the Difficulty on Veteran Mode VR16, but not the Undaunted Daily Masks and the most of the new PvE Sets. The only new PvE Sets / Masks for a Long Time, till 1.6. I couldnt find the Info that Zos said, that the most new Sets & Masks on VR16, is only made for some Elitist Players with their trained Groups.

Both Sides could be happy, the Hardcore"raiders" and the Casuals, if only a Part maybe a Costume, Colour or Title is locked behind the Difficulty, and not of the most new PvE Equip on VR16. Make the Sets BoE and the Problem for both Sides, Pros & Casuals, is solved.

I can understand that you want some Prestige you can Show, something Special that all People can see, fine. But not at the cost of the most other PvE Players. This isnt Elitist Gaming Online, this is Teso Online, where a good Player should have a fair Chance to earn his VR16 Equip.

Sry but I also don't agree with you. WGT and ICP are the only challenging dungeons at the moment. If they wouldn't be as hard as they are many of my guild mates might have left the game, because raiding has become irrelevant (vr12/14 trials). For all the people who are not able to clear the veteran version of the new dungeons ZOS has implemented the normal mode, which is the exact same dungeon but easier. The drawback its that it only drops vet 15 gear. But that's just fair and fine. You can start farming the sets in the normal mode and once you have better equip (jewelry BoE, materials to craft gear, new sets) you can go ahead and try the veteran mode again. The difference between VR15 and VR16 is not big, for anyone but min/max people or raiding guilds it's not relevant. It's only important to have VR16 weapons, but you can craft/buy them.

This game became so easy since 1.6 so please let us keep a little challenge and rewards for doing it.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · September 2015

Difficulty of new dungeons is just right where it should be. Strat is very important part of puzzle. Strat puzzle known to public knowledge will be completed soon and than more and more people will complete it. Therefore completing dungs on vet will become more and more regular thing. ZOS can do whatever they want but shouldnt touch difficulty of new dungeons . Drop rates should be increased by large margin.