ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Will check into the drop rates.

Just implement a full-on token system, for ALL armor sets. Let people get x number of tokens for a dungeon run, then go to a vendor and buy the armor/jewelry/weapon they want, with the damn trait they want.

Normal dungeons drop one type of token, letting the person buy up to v15 gear. Veteran dungeons drop a second type of token allowing the person to buy up to v16 gear.

Most of us understand the concept of "keeping people in game" but there are other ways of doing that than a lousy RNG system. RNG to see if you even get a drop, and then additional RNG on the type of drop you get, the traits it has, etc. It's a horrible, horrible system.

Just one example of a token system:

Dungeons give 5 tokens for completion.
Gloves, belt costs 50 tokens each. That's twenty runs to buy those three pieces.
Shoulders, gloves and helm cost 75 tokens each. That's forty-five more runs to buy those three pieces.
Chest and guards cost 100 tokens each. Another forty runs to get the tokens for these two pieces.
That right there is 105 dungeon runs.
Worried people will farm dungeons? Set a limit to the number of tokens one can collect each day/week. So, maybe there's a set limit of 50 tokens per week.

Starshadw wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Will check into the drop rates.

Just implement a full-on token system, for ALL armor sets. Let people get x number of tokens for a dungeon run, then go to a vendor and buy the armor/jewelry/weapon they want, with the damn trait they want.

Normal dungeons drop one type of token, letting the person buy up to v15 gear. Veteran dungeons drop a second type of token allowing the person to buy up to v16 gear.

Most of us understand the concept of "keeping people in game" but there are other ways of doing that than a lousy RNG system. RNG to see if you even get a drop, and then additional RNG on the type of drop you get, the traits it has, etc. It's a horrible, horrible system.

Just one example of a token system:

Dungeons give 5 tokens for completion.
Gloves, belt costs 50 tokens each. That's twenty runs to buy those three pieces.
Shoulders, gloves and helm cost 75 tokens each. That's forty-five more runs to buy those three pieces.
Chest and guards cost 100 tokens each. Another forty runs to get the tokens for these two pieces.
That right there is 105 dungeon runs.
Worried people will farm dungeons? Set a limit to the number of tokens one can collect each day/week. So, maybe there's a set limit of 50 tokens per week.

While that would be cool a lot of people want to keep away from that, could start to see tokens in crown store. I for one like how it is and with a few adjustments to loot drop and the trophy vault chest this would be awesome

The issue with gear wouldnt be as bad if the assigned traits were not random. Please just set the traits on endgame gear based on how people play your classes. You know there are only 2-3 good traits in the game, why even put the others on endgame gear?

I don't know if I've been lucky then, as I did 1 run of each and got 2 scathing mage items, 1 essence thief and 1 other random set items I don't remember the name of. All were in infused or divines. Maybe I was just lucky.

Scyantific wrote: »

There's already a token system. It's called Tel Var Stones.

It's a joke.

Which is why I described one that would work better.

So since @ZOS_RichLambert lurks on this thread I will also tell what my group has experienced and leave some suggestions:
We did 2-3 vet WGT runs everyday since release of IC and had many runs where people didn't get a single set item (including hardmode and speed runs). Can't really speak for IC Prison, we only did it twice (hardmode and speedrun clear, speedrun might be bugged) and I got one set item.

My suggestion would not be to simply increase the drop rate on all bosses (maybe increase it a bit so you get like 1 set item per run), but to reward players for doing the hardmodes and challenges for the achievements. If WGT wasn't daily no one would do the hardmode. Why don't you give a guaranteed set item drop if you finish the dungeon doing the hardmode, or maybe 50% chance for hardmode and 50% for speedrun (so 100% if you do both), or any combination of the existing achievements (including no death runs, no spawns from the portals at the flame Atro boss, ...). The hardmodes should at least give more tokens for the trophy vaults. I could not believe it when I saw that hardmode also gave 12 tokens for the Molag Kena kill (I would expect like 50% more).

You could also bring this kind of reward for challenges to all veteran dungeons, by giving a higher drop chance for monster helmets if the boss was killed using the hardmode mechanic. This would encourage players to take the challenge and reward them for improving their skills.

And for the random traits: should a master lvl 50 crafter who has researched all traits be able to change them on an existing piece of armor? ;-)

Happy Farming

Leandor wrote: »

Fissh wrote: »

x150 trophies for the pve vaults? Only drops off bosses? While pvp'ers farm trophies and open vaults in hours.

The 60 trophy vaults only drop the jewellery sets. The 150 trophy vaults inside the dungeons drop the 12 new armor sets.

I have logged approximately 40 hours in IC. I have yet to collect 60 trophies of any one type. Since I play several chars and have interest in all three sets, trading them is no option for me.

40 hours in IC and still haven't opened a vault?
Either A: fabrication, or B: worst luck in history, worse than helm drop rates.....
After 40 hours, I have almost opened every single vault.....not even 40 hours....
As far as trading them between alts, you logic is broken. It is very much an option as the gear can be traded/sold.

Gil.Galad wrote: »

So since @ZOS_RichLambert lurks on this thread I will also tell what my group has experienced and leave some suggestions:
We did 2-3 vet WGT runs everyday since release of IC and had many runs where people didn't get a single set item (including hardmode and speed runs). Can't really speak for IC Prison, we only did it twice (hardmode and speedrun clear, speedrun might be bugged) and I got one set item.

My suggestion would not be to simply increase the drop rate on all bosses (maybe increase it a bit so you get like 1 set item per run), but to reward players for doing the hardmodes and challenges for the achievements. If WGT wasn't daily no one would do the hardmode. Why don't you give a guaranteed set item drop if you finish the dungeon doing the hardmode, or maybe 50% chance for hardmode and 50% for speedrun (so 100% if you do both), or any combination of the existing achievements (including no death runs, no spawns from the portals at the flame Atro boss, ...). The hardmodes should at least give more tokens for the trophy vaults. I could not believe it when I saw that hardmode also gave 12 tokens for the Molag Kena kill (I would expect like 50% more).

You could also bring this kind of reward for challenges to all veteran dungeons, by giving a higher drop chance for monster helmets if the boss was killed using the hardmode mechanic. This would encourage players to take the challenge and reward them for improving their skills.

And for the random traits: should a master lvl 50 crafter who has researched all traits be able to change them on an existing piece of armor? ;-)

Happy Farming

I personally think you should get a set item every 2-3 runs not every run it would be far too easy.

Leandor wrote: »

Fissh wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Fissh wrote: »

x150 trophies for the pve vaults? Only drops off bosses? While pvp'ers farm trophies and open vaults in hours.

The 60 trophy vaults only drop the jewellery sets. The 150 trophy vaults inside the dungeons drop the 12 new armor sets.

I have logged approximately 40 hours in IC. I have yet to collect 60 trophies of any one type. Since I play several chars and have interest in all three sets, trading them is no option for me.

40 hours in IC and still haven't opened a vault?
Either A: fabrication, or B: worst luck in history, worse than helm drop rates.....
After 40 hours, I have almost opened every single vault.....not even 40 hours....
As far as trading them between alts, you logic is broken. It is very much an option as the gear can be traded/sold.

Actually, my main problem with the tokens is: They don't drop off players. I prefer fighting those and only get trophies if mobs interfere, except for some fun stuff like attacking roamers while being solo or doing quests.

I also only managed to amass 17000 TV stones so far because I lose to many.

I will not trade Endurance tokens for Willpower tokens with other players, to get to the Willpower pieces faster. I collect all types of tokens, because I play chars that get use out of all of the three sets.

Thinking back on it, maybe the 40 hours were a bit exaggerated. 35 or even as little as 30 seems more appropriate.

Why even write something like that option A?

My point was comparing trophy drop in IC to dungeon trophy drop rate. I.E.....comparing what you get while doing content. When you suggest your parameters, and because of the subject matter, I can only assume you are doing the content. 40 (35)hrs of IC not doing content, or maybe better said, not doing npc content...does not really qualify as perspective. Option A stems from me assuming your perspective was relative. Which it is not.

So let me get this straight. You want them to make it to where you can be fully geared in just a few runs of the dungeons, therefore defeating any purpose what-so-ever to continue playing on that character, then repeat the same process and have all 8 characters fully geared in one week? Why? So you can complain about how far apart expansions are? Seriously. This game is not meant to be beat and won in a week, people. This is an MMORPG and the best ones require you to actually grind to get the best. They aren't just going to hand over all the good stuff so you can put the game down and get bored of it to the point you go and find a new game to play and completely forget about this one. That's just bad business.

I say kudos to the development team in making people have to really work to get the best gear out there.

Quaffio wrote: »

So let me get this straight. You want them to make it to where you can be fully geared in just a few runs of the dungeons, therefore defeating any purpose what-so-ever to continue playing on that character, then repeat the same process and have all 8 characters fully geared in one week? Why? So you can complain about how far apart expansions are? Seriously. This game is not meant to be beat and won in a week, people. This is an MMORPG and the best ones require you to actually grind to get the best. They aren't just going to hand over all the good stuff so you can put the game down and get bored of it to the point you go and find a new game to play and completely forget about this one. That's just bad business.

I say kudos to the development team in making people have to really work to get the best gear out there.

When you grind most people's week worth of dungeonining, in a single day, come back to this thread. Maybe you'll understand. We're not expecting to get geared out in a week, especially not with a random trait system. But at this rate I'd take 5 pieces with sturdy than the absolutely nothing I've been getting. After over FORTY HOURS of dungeons, I finally got a well fitted Essence Thief piece (the one set I actually want). If you think that level of grinding is okay, you should go see a psychiatrist because that's insanity. When you're against a layered system of RNG mechanics working against you, the issue compounds. Here's what we're up against at the moment. 1) Eleven possible sets, if you're after 1, thats less than a 10% chance that getting a set piece will be what you want. 2) Random traits; Right now sets can drop in Infused, Divines, Well-Fitted, Reinforced, and Impenetrable, 20% chance you're going to get the trait you want. So far we're at a 2% chance you're going to get a perfect piece. 3) The possibility of even getting a set item. This is an unknown percent and there's a lot more into this than the Dev's will probably ever comment on. At the moment when you finally roll the RNG dice in your favor you are awarded one of two things, a random set piece with a random trait OR a generic "unique" blue/purple weapon with some flavor text that offers ZERO bonus over a crafted or decon trash item. So that's a 50% chance to get a set piece, on top of an unknown percentage of when your character reaches the eligibility to obtain one. So we're at a <1% chance to get a perfect piece right now. And you need Five of them to complete a set. Good grind? Maybe if this patch was supposed to last us a year. What a joke.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Get Diablo 3 out of Elder Scrolls Online

Diablo 3 in it's current state does not generate something as stupid as the Vr16 Training Agility bow that I just got. Current D3 has lot of RNG in the system but it is pretty easy to get proper gear and the trait change gamble helps a lot.Gearing a new season character in D3 to a decent level is a much shorter grind than what is required in TESO. The D3 learned the hard way that a completely RNG based junk gear generator will not keep a player base alive for much.

I think it may be actually the time to remove some traits like Training completely from the VR drops. If someone really is in a hurry to level up some skill line late at V1-16 they may just craft a training set and level the skill line in 1 hour anyway.

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Get Diablo 3 out of Elder Scrolls Online

Diablo 3 in it's current state does not generate something as stupid as the Vr16 Training Agility bow that I just got. Current D3 has lot of RNG in the system but it is pretty easy to get proper gear and the trait change gamble helps a lot.Gearing a new season character in D3 to a decent level is a much shorter grind than what is required in TESO.

Diablo 3 has undergone pretty much a overhaul sine launch and is honestly a great game in its genre now. At the same time, ESO has also changed a lot but I am sure most people will say not in a promising way if not all that bad.

Yeah. D3 had quite a bit of improvement in terms of its most important feature which is the gear. It does appear that TESO is going a bit in the direction of that mess that D3 was in the beginning in terms of gearing.