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Shadow Cloak
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✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »If built for sustain ofcourse a magicka nightblade can spam cloak for a very very long time. Just like a magicka sorc built for sustain can spam hardened ward over and over again
AND that's why we need caps
Difference between hardened ward and cloak, though, is that hardened ward is a shield. Which nightblades don't have.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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People who think caps will stop endless Cloaking surely have not played a Magicka Nightblade before the removal of caps.DisgracefulMind wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »If built for sustain ofcourse a magicka nightblade can spam cloak for a very very long time. Just like a magicka sorc built for sustain can spam hardened ward over and over again
AND that's why we need caps
Difference between hardened ward and cloak, though, is that hardened ward is a shield. Which nightblades don't have.
#EndlesslySpammingCloakSinceMarch2014
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People who think caps will stop endless Cloaking surely have not played a Magicka Nightblade before the removal of caps.DisgracefulMind wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »If built for sustain ofcourse a magicka nightblade can spam cloak for a very very long time. Just like a magicka sorc built for sustain can spam hardened ward over and over again
AND that's why we need caps
Difference between hardened ward and cloak, though, is that hardened ward is a shield. Which nightblades don't have.
#EndlesslySpammingCloakSinceMarch2014
Agreed. Caps are 1. lazy 2. stupid limitations and 3. won't solve anything
People can still spam everything.
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People who think caps will stop endless Cloaking surely have not played a Magicka Nightblade before the removal of caps.DisgracefulMind wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »If built for sustain ofcourse a magicka nightblade can spam cloak for a very very long time. Just like a magicka sorc built for sustain can spam hardened ward over and over again
AND that's why we need caps
Difference between hardened ward and cloak, though, is that hardened ward is a shield. Which nightblades don't have.
#EndlesslySpammingCloakSinceMarch2014
Agreed. Caps are 1. lazy 2. stupid limitations and 3. won't solve anything
People can still spam everything.
1.5 was the most balanced this game has been. the soft caps essentially made it so playing came down to skill, not how many champ points a player has.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
People who think caps will stop endless Cloaking surely have not played a Magicka Nightblade before the removal of caps.DisgracefulMind wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »If built for sustain ofcourse a magicka nightblade can spam cloak for a very very long time. Just like a magicka sorc built for sustain can spam hardened ward over and over again
AND that's why we need caps
Difference between hardened ward and cloak, though, is that hardened ward is a shield. Which nightblades don't have.
#EndlesslySpammingCloakSinceMarch2014
Agreed. Caps are 1. lazy 2. stupid limitations and 3. won't solve anything
People can still spam everything.
1.5 was the most balanced this game has been. the soft caps essentially made it so playing came down to skill, not how many champ points a player has.
I agree, that Champion points are silly and bring a big imbalance. But softcaps were ugly, glad they are gone.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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byrom101b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »@Master_Kas
And I don't even care for Sorcerers at the moment. People try taunting me with Bolt Escape and what not. But what does Sorcerer even has to do with this ? A comparison between bolt escape and cloak seems to be popular, but that doesn't help.
My problem is, that cloak makes Nightblades kings in IC and pvp in general.
I'm worried about the game balance. You and your Nightblade friends try to tell us, cloak is fine. But it's definately not fine and the 100 threads complaining about Nightblade and cloak, coming as soon as this goes online will confirm what I'm saying.
I'm complaining mostly since I'm maining a stamina nightblade, which cannot spam cloak like a magicka nightblade can.
But even magicka nightblades they don't have any class damage shield like sorcs, not even small one like dk's/templars have. Forced to use healingward if they want a damage shield, and harness which only absorbs magick damage.
I told you, you can counter cloak pretty easily if you know what you're doing and I'm can happily show it to you in the PTS.
No doubt cloak will get nerfed thanks to all the forumcries. But after that, people will still cry its OP when they get their asses handed to them by a skilled nightblade.
Just like people cry about bolt escape.
I honestly don't care to much. Just wierd seing you working so hard on the forums to get cloak nerfed. While forgetting we have no class damage shield to rely on if that happens. Hopefully ZOS realizes this too
Cloak can be used as an guaranteed escape. You and me had a private conversation about it. Why do you say otherwise once again ? Tell the people here what you told me about cloak. Come, do it, be honest.
Or shall I send you my... special diary ? You know what I'm talking about. Certain diary pages about you
Yeah it can be used as a guaranteed escape. If the person you fighting don't use ANY counter towards it (this includes: curse, streak, detectpots (yes even after nerf) radiant magelight, any aoe, piercing mark if you are a nightblade) .
Velocitous Curse - causes damage in an aoe - retreat into mobs and when it goes off the mobs attack the Sorc.... even better, you have 3.5 seconds to get to the mobs you select as your allies...
Radiant Magelight - yes, but you take a hit to your resources in a PvP environment where high pools and regen. are key to killing anyone with the slightest skill and even those without sometimes.
Detect Potions - as soon as a decent NB realises you are doing this (without magelight on) then they evade until your 30 seconds of cooldown with no detection kicks in. This does admittedly require skill to judge - but seen it often enough in IC.
Aoe - once again, a NB retreating into mobs laughs at the kinds of fools who use aoe.
Piercing Mark - well, grats on the very class we are talking about having the only mark-style ability that doesn't come with a disadvantage in a mob filled PvP environment.
Nighblades who learn to use mobs and Cloak in unison are extremely tough to deal with and find it unreasonably easy to escape fights they don't want to have, or ambush from positions where swift counter-attack is not possible for non NBs.
There is a reason the vast majority of posts defending Cloak in it's current incarnation don't mention the consequences of it's use in a mob-rich environment.
It's the 'cloaked' elephant in the room they don't want you to see...
... try BE'ing through a pack of mobs and see what happens lol!Edited by byrom101b16_ESO on August 26, 2015 12:58PM1 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »@Master_Kas
And I don't even care for Sorcerers at the moment. People try taunting me with Bolt Escape and what not. But what does Sorcerer even has to do with this ? A comparison between bolt escape and cloak seems to be popular, but that doesn't help.
My problem is, that cloak makes Nightblades kings in IC and pvp in general.
I'm worried about the game balance. You and your Nightblade friends try to tell us, cloak is fine. But it's definately not fine and the 100 threads complaining about Nightblade and cloak, coming as soon as this goes online will confirm what I'm saying.
I'm complaining mostly since I'm maining a stamina nightblade, which cannot spam cloak like a magicka nightblade can.
But even magicka nightblades they don't have any class damage shield like sorcs, not even small one like dk's/templars have. Forced to use healingward if they want a damage shield, and harness which only absorbs magick damage.
I told you, you can counter cloak pretty easily if you know what you're doing and I'm can happily show it to you in the PTS.
No doubt cloak will get nerfed thanks to all the forumcries. But after that, people will still cry its OP when they get their asses handed to them by a skilled nightblade. Just like people cry about bolt escape.
I honestly don't care to much. Just wierd seing you working so hard on the forums to get cloak nerfed. While forgetting we have no class damage shield to rely on if that happens. Hopefully ZOS realizes this too
Cloak can be used as an guaranteed escape. You and me had a private conversation about it. Why do you say otherwise once again ? Tell the people here what you told me about cloak. Come, do it, be honest.
Or shall I send you my... special diary ? You know what I'm talking about. Certain diary pages about you
Yeah it can be used as a guaranteed escape. If the person you fighting don't use ANY counter towards it (this includes: curse, streak, detectpots (yes even after nerf) radiant magelight, any aoe, piercing mark if you are a nightblade) .
Velocitous Curse - causes damage in an aoe - retreat into mobs and when it goes off the mobs attack the Sorc.... even better, you have 3.5 seconds to get to the mobs you select as your allies...
Radiant Magelight - yes, but you take a hit to your resources in a PvP environment where high pools and regen. are key to killing anyone with the slightest skill and even those without sometimes.
Detect Potions - as soon as a decent NB realises you are doing this (without magelight on) then they evade until your 30 seconds of cooldown with no detection kicks in. This does admittedly require skill to judge - but seen it often enough in IC.
Aoe - once again, a NB retreating into mobs laughs at the kinds of fools who use aoe.
Piercing Mark - well, grats on the very class we are talking about having the only mark-style ability that doesn't come with a disadvantage in a mob filled PvP environment.
Nighblades who learn to use mobs and Cloak in unison are extremely tough to deal with and find it unreasonably easy to escape fights they don't want to have, or ambush from positions where swift counter-attack is not possible for non NBs.
There is a reason the vast majority of posts defending Cloak in it's current incarnation don't mention the consequences of it's use in a mob-rich environment.
It's the 'cloaked' elephant in the room they don't want you to see...
... try BE'ing through a pack of mobs and see what happens lol!
Well you can't really balance/nerf cloak because of imperial city, now can you? Because you know they are not shutting of the rest of cyrodiil and making it imperial city only. And as we both know theres not as much NPC/mob density outside imperial city.
Nightblades also doesn't have a class shield to rely on if their core defensive skill doesn't work. Forgetting this too? Nor a reliable heal either.
Which is why people really can't say to give it BE/Mist form treatment, unless you give us a damageshield or burstheal to compensate.
I just numbered skills which can counter cloak. I've played on my sorc on PTS. Not having any trouble with escaping nightblades. If they come back to fight they have to step out of the shadows. It's just as a sorc bolting away for his life never bothered me really.
Radiant magelight costs magicka which is nothing in any normal sorcs pool, and you don't even have to have it on both bars.
With so many players around in IC spamming skills I doubt your curse is the only thing that will aggro said mobs.
I still use curse with great effect.
Edited some misspellings. Haven't slept. Goodnight Edited by Master_Kas on August 26, 2015 2:45PMEU | PC2 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »
Nightblades also doesn't have a class shield to rely on if their core defensive skill doesn't work. Forgetting this too? Nor a reliable heal either.
Which is why people really can't say to give it BE/Mist form treatment, unless you give us a damageshield or burstheal to compensate. Believe me, it's strong for Magicka Nightblades.
But it's true, Sorcerers and Nightblade (especially Nigtblade ) need these defenses to compensate for not having a good burst heal.
Edited by Dracane on August 26, 2015 3:05PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Gerardopg✭✭✭I have a lot of noob questions,
1.- if I use a detect potion on a nightblade, I can attack him even when single target attacks or I just can see him and I have to use a aoe for take him out from the cloak??
2.- how does velocious curse work for a nightblade can I take him out with this from the cloak??
3.- can somebody explain me how other methods are to attack a nightblade with cloack??
Thanks0