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Shadow Cloak
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But you can stay cloaked infinitely if you want. And you can still move while cloaked, you won't just stand there all the time.
Edited by Dracane on August 24, 2015 9:56PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
My debut album on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Gleandra/videos0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
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agreed. and I dont know if you noticed, but many of the bosses, such as the big guy in memorial district, still chase me when im cloaked.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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But you can stay cloaked infinitely if you want. And you can still move while cloaked, you won't just stand there all the time.
That still does not equal to shedding aggro. A magicka NB can stay cloaked for a long time by spamming cloak, but if he does, he isn't doing anything else, and as soon as he stops spamming it, the mobs will be back at him.3 -
Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
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Fair enough. You can shed aggro long enough for them to target your opponent. That and pretty much avoid aggro all together.
My point is, NB have a huge tactical advantage in the entire DLC.0 -
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agreed. and I dont know if you noticed, but many of the bosses, such as the big guy in memorial district, still chase me when im cloaked.
Technically, when you cloak, it causes the mobs that are aggroed on you to be stunned. Since the bosses are immune to stun, they also ignore cloak.1 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭how cloak conversations look
For Nerf: "cloak is so OP. Nb can cloak in any given situation and can get away all the time. nerf!
against nerf: "here is how you face a nb....(lists example)"
for nerf: "you must be a nb. thanks for telling me to l2p. that is not the issue. none of that works"
against nerf: "but it works for me and many other i play with. in fact many people in forums have said the same thing"
for nerf: "ya but they are all bias nb and want it to stay op"
against nerf: "again here is the counter to how to fight them. not only do i kill nb this way on other classes, but this is how i die as a nb"
for nerf: "you obviously dont know what your talking about now leave troll"
see the pattern here....
no advice on how to nerf or how it should be approached by the "for nerf" people. nor do they listen to the counters that are available. they dont believe any of them work while many others tell them it does. it happens all the time. honestly people if they didnt work then by your logic nb would never die. you simply yell at everyone the says no nerf for being nb and having no clue how to play. in fact, it would seem the other way around.
the only constructive feedback i have seen from the nerf side is the personwho stated no regen while cloaked. i think that is perfectly acceptable and would like to see zos run with it. at least let us test it or something.3 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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Fair enough. You can shed aggro long enough for them to target your opponent. That and pretty much avoid aggro all together.
The only way a mob aggroed on a cloaked nightblade will switch target to his opponent is that opponent hitting the mob and drawing aggro off the nightblade.
Proximity pull only works on mobs that aren't aggroed on anyone yet.
Edited by Sharee on August 24, 2015 10:21PM2 -
Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
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Fair enough. You can shed aggro long enough for them to target your opponent. That and pretty much avoid aggro all together.
The only way a mob aggroed on a cloaked nightblade will switch target to his opponent is that opponent hitting the mob and drawing aggro off the nightblade.
Proximity pull only works on mobs that aren't aggroed on anyone yet.
youre dancing around the issue with fluff. you can cloak up causing me to hit mobs with attacks that were meant for you. the list of tactics you can use to be the dominant class in the ic is endless.
you can move unrestricted through the sewers and city, and, nobody can use aoe anymore. on top of the pot nerf.0 -
Halfwitte✭✭✭ZOS_Racheal wrote: »Hi, everyone.
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PlagueMonk✭✭✭✭✭Some of the things are fixed. From my testing Cloak is better regarding gap closers, so that bug seems to be fixed.
However, one thing I noticed is mobs that are immune to cloak now pull you out once agro'd. Cloak fails repeatedly while they are chasing you, screwing you over from getting away from players/adds that are not immune. Which is not how it has ever worked. So I am uncertain if it's an intended change, or a new bug.
I have lost all faith they even know how to fix it.
Oh this is not a new bug, just go try to attack a Troll or Storm in Crag. You can stealth right by them but they moment you attack them they suddenly get a "see invisible" ability. It's a load of crap since a lot of our abilities RELY on going into cloak for a bonus.
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But you can stay cloaked infinitely if you want. And you can still move while cloaked, you won't just stand there all the time.
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
agreed. and I dont know if you noticed, but many of the bosses, such as the big guy in memorial district, still chase me when im cloaked.
Not only do these mobs still chase you. But with the latest patch they break cloak on activation. So instead of just chasing you like they have since release, they reveal you for all to see/target. I really hope that's a bug.
Edited by Xeniph on August 25, 2015 1:30AMHere since Beta.
Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.3 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭
Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The way you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. I find it odd now you have a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak. Strange...
Edited by Xael on August 25, 2015 2:45AMI got killed in pvp, nerf everything...5 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
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Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
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Xael✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...2 -
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Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).
ya true enough. but given i was playing a NB back when noone wanted NB and still racking up the kills with people using this build, i think i will be fine. just need to shake of the rust and get back at it. been fun recently using my stam NB taking these guys down. a little more difficult with the stam nerf and those talons though.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »
Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).
ya true enough. but given i was playing a NB back when noone wanted NB and still racking up the kills with people using this build, i think i will be fine. just need to shake of the rust and get back at it. been fun recently using my stam NB taking these guys down. a little more difficult with the stam nerf and those talons though.
Retreating Maneuver and Efficient Purge are going to be very necessary now.
Edit: despite the obvious strength of what we are talking about, notice how I just mentioned a counter? Just like most everything else, there is a flipside. Getting people to use them though... most would rather die and then complain rather than adapt and live.Edited by Xael on August 25, 2015 2:22AMI got killed in pvp, nerf everything...0 -
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Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).
ya true enough. but given i was playing a NB back when noone wanted NB and still racking up the kills with people using this build, i think i will be fine. just need to shake of the rust and get back at it. been fun recently using my stam NB taking these guys down. a little more difficult with the stam nerf and those talons though.
Retreating Maneuver and Efficient Purge are going to be very necessary now.
Good point. Although maybe now that I can't stack double take with my bow now I will swap for the medium armor skill. Then I still get speed from bow, dodge and snare removal from the skill while not having to give up an extra slot for retreating.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »
Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).
ya true enough. but given i was playing a NB back when noone wanted NB and still racking up the kills with people using this build, i think i will be fine. just need to shake of the rust and get back at it. been fun recently using my stam NB taking these guys down. a little more difficult with the stam nerf and those talons though.
Retreating Maneuver and Efficient Purge are going to be very necessary now.
Good point. Although maybe now that I can't stack double take with my bow now I will swap for the medium armor skill. Then I still get speed from bow, dodge and snare removal from the skill while not having to give up an extra slot for retreating.
Yeah I love Shuffle, unfortunately the snare immunity won't matter in regard to root.
That's going to require EP/RM.
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »
Um, that would be most people that take PvP seriously.But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?
So let me see if I understand you, anyone who opposes you in this thread is attacking you? What about all the people (including myself) who feel you are a fountain of misinformation and making a lot of noise?However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !
I use Boundless Storm all the time. Everyone uses AoE all the time regardless of NPCs. If you are really on PTS when people are playing, you will see Caltrops, Talons, Meteor, Volley, all kinds of AoE being spammed in PvP. Particularly AoE that procs other sets, or does AoE disable (talons, bombard, etc).Ah damn, I was thinking about using boundless storm and encase. Well never mind then, this requires me to stand right next to the Nightblade and the Nightblade will lure me into a bunch of op Daedra.
Cloak is so superior in pvp, can't believe it
Cloak does not drop aggro. Cloak does not work against bosses. That mechanic went in a long time ago. If a NB pulls a bunch of crap, he will not drop aggro. The only chance the NB has is if you are foolish enough to do damage to the npcs chasing him, thus aggro shifts. I unfortunately pull aggro constantly with Boundless Storm, so I have changed things up and now use a different method for chasing in congested areas. Mind you, not all areas are congested.
And those of us who play crappy Stamina Sorcs and kill really good NBs like Benzy in a 1vX while using Radiant Magelight? Your own subjective experience (limited as it is) is not a litmus test for truth, let alone the measuring stick of PvP viability. Yet for some reason you would continue your crusade to get something nerfed that needs to be fixed and is otherwise fine.
Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.
Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.
But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.
First off, most veteran PvPers will disagree with you.
Almost every above average player has Detect Potions amongst other potions slotted with greyminds.
You just accused everyone that disagrees with your position of being unreasonable with no trace of insight. Yet you have provided nothing to this thread other than your own opinion which is built entirely on hearsay and conjecture. Others such as myself offer videos, screenshots, etc or their own PvP reputation to go by. What is extremely strange is you're constant deflection against people playing non nightblades telling you they have no problem with Cloak and go forth telling you how to counter it. Enough posturing, I know you don't try it.
While you constantly spew forth false information and crusade for a Nightblade nerf, DKs and other classes with AoE disable are going to be destroying people in PvP. If you were objective and actually PvPed, you would realize the "NB are OP" rhetoric is nothing more than fluff. On PTS any class that uses AoE disable is dominating, particularly DKs with Talon spam. As you should know, you should know this if you PvP, dodge roll is nerfed and you can't block AoE disable. That said, this way more of a problem than Nightblades. I have been playing a Sorc exclusively on PTS since lauch other than 30 minutes on a Nightblade to prove a point to someone.
The fact you act like you speak for the PvP community now as an expert really boggles my mind. Just a few weeks ago you were a Role playing PvE player. Now you are a PvP expert with a special knowledge on Nightblades and Cloak? Strange...
cant speak to the end comment, but this....
a side note: everyone keeps clamoring about magika NB in this patch. I think it will be another round of magika Dk when all is said and done. the talon, lavawhip, bats while blocking is back hardcore. except now they can add proxy detenation to it.
Good catch, I forgot to mention Proxy. I have seen it used in tandem with all the AoE CC. It's pretty ridiculous. Also Magicka DKs with 1hS are still perma blocking (not sure the build/gear) and are really damn hard to kill on a Stamina character, let alone a Magicka based projectile build (reflective scale).
ya true enough. but given i was playing a NB back when noone wanted NB and still racking up the kills with people using this build, i think i will be fine. just need to shake of the rust and get back at it. been fun recently using my stam NB taking these guys down. a little more difficult with the stam nerf and those talons though.
Retreating Maneuver and Efficient Purge are going to be very necessary now.
Good point. Although maybe now that I can't stack double take with my bow now I will swap for the medium armor skill. Then I still get speed from bow, dodge and snare removal from the skill while not having to give up an extra slot for retreating.
Yeah I love Shuffle, unfortunately the snare immunity won't matter in regard to root.
That's going to require EP/RM.
Damn that is right.. Been awhile since I looked at that ability.Edited by bowmanz607 on August 25, 2015 4:15AM0 -
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Fair enough. You can shed aggro long enough for them to target your opponent. That and pretty much avoid aggro all together.
The only way a mob aggroed on a cloaked nightblade will switch target to his opponent is that opponent hitting the mob and drawing aggro off the nightblade.
Proximity pull only works on mobs that aren't aggroed on anyone yet.
youre dancing around the issue with fluff. you can cloak up causing me to hit mobs with attacks that were meant for you. the list of tactics you can use to be the dominant class in the ic is endless.
you can move unrestricted through the sewers and city, and, nobody can use aoe anymore. on top of the pot nerf.
If you spam aoe with mobs around, then you will draw aggro, sure, but that would happen regardless of whether you are fighting a nightblade or not. If you don't want to draw AOE aggro, you have to stick to single target abilities, even if you fight a dragonknight.
I can log on my heavy DK, aggro a bunch of mobs, run into you, and cause you the same AOE problems you think are exclusive to the nightblade. All the cloak does in this scenario is stop the mobs in their track for 2.8 seconds. That's actually counter-productive, since i want them to run after me, and into your AOE.1 -
AllPlayAndNoWork✭✭✭✭✭I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.
What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.
Let me help enlighten you my friend
Cast shadow image, create distance between you and the image, your opponent follows you if he means it and wants to kill you.
Teleport to image>Cloak>Apply speed buff> Run in a random direction> Promised escape.
It's no learn to play issue, rather learn how to figure out combos.
A poor scenario at best, this looks like something you do all the time and haven't learnt from your mistakes.
1) Radient maeglight is a great counter to crit damage. (But most are to lazy to slot it and cry nerf).
2) Any AoE brings a NB out of stealth (see second part of point one)
3) Detect pots still work despite the "nerf" to them.
4) Revealing flare and morphs also work (very well I might add).
4) Don't follow the NB and be forced into playing by his rules.
5) Keep ya shields up (biggest counter to a NB for a sorc or anyone with a shield ability).
6) If you are not good enough to go around solo.... Then don't.
Like was said previously make cloak work 100% of the time (In IC it is still very hit and miss) And lets talk about a shield ability for NB's and then start moaning about nerfs.
Cloak is still so bad i'm thinking about dropping it all together and going more tanky, just to rely on something more stable for mew to work with.
Way too much moaning about nerfs goes on at these forums without any justification or really thinking about how to solve the problem.1 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »AnteCoyote wrote: »I play 2 nightblades, but I don't use cloak a whole lot. I also don't usually use piercing mark outside of duels. I don't have trouble revealing stealth nightblades on live with caltrops or steel tornado, and on PTS sap is usually enough to catch melee nightblades that are trying to get away from me.
That said, on my magicka nightblade, I could cloak across cyrodiil if I wanted to, and that's maybe a little much. A spam cost increase sounds pretty crappy, but I'd be on board with no magicka regen while cloaked.
Thanks for the unbiased post. I just want to add that caltrops and steel tornado will get you killed in the IC. It is literally walltowall daedra. Everywhere. I can no longer use strong detect pots or boundless storm to give me a fighting chance, which is why cloak buffs on top of IC are so concerning.
correction. cloak fixes. you realize once they fix cloak then they can start talking about nerfs right. how do you nerf a broken ability? cant give it BE treatment. cant give it increased cost. the best Idea i have heard out of anyone is the no regen while cloaked. this still allows nb to be able to use it 2 or 3 times just to get it to work while giveing a reasonable nerf to prevent over use. I love it.
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✭✭Fighting against a sorcerer who is worth the air he breathes, cloak is useless without dodge roll. Against a nightblade, cloak is useless completely. Against higher ranked players using inevitable instead of proximity (hint: not for the damage, stamina users can as well), cloak can be rendered useless (the cast finishes successfully if you started it before the NB cloaked, as long as he is still within casting range and LOS).
Two out of four classes have a direct counter. There are skills that can be used by everyone, and it's not only radiant magelight. The burst kill seems to be quite dead on PTS. What the heck do you want to do on top? Make nightblades leave a trail of pink smoke bunnies for you to follow him?
Cloak is quite difficult to successfully use for any stamina nightblade as is, since no matter what kind of fingered video there is, stamina blades can't use cloak indefinitely unless they have at least 70 points in Arcanist and magicka cost reduction enchants - which is something you can either do if you have abundance of points or will have a consequence on your damage sustain.
I would seriously suggest that only those players who either have played all four classes in SO successfully or have reached alliance rank 15 on all four classes, are allowed to even post on balancing issues. This "greener grass over there" needs to stop.2 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Fighting against a sorcerer who is worth the air he breathes, cloak is useless without dodge roll. Against a nightblade, cloak is useless completely. Against higher ranked players using inevitable instead of proximity (hint: not for the damage, stamina users can as well), cloak can be rendered useless (the cast finishes successfully if you started it before the NB cloaked, as long as he is still within casting range and LOS).
Two out of four classes have a direct counter. There are skills that can be used by everyone, and it's not only radiant magelight. The burst kill seems to be quite dead on PTS. What the heck do you want to do on top? Make nightblades leave a trail of pink smoke bunnies for you to follow him?
Cloak is quite difficult to successfully use for any stamina nightblade as is, since no matter what kind of fingered video there is, stamina blades can't use cloak indefinitely unless they have at least 70 points in Arcanist and magicka cost reduction enchants - which is something you can either do if you have abundance of points or will have a consequence on your damage sustain.
I would seriously suggest that only those players who either have played all four classes in SO successfully or have reached alliance rank 15 on all four classes, are allowed to even post on balancing issues. This "greener grass over there" needs to stop.
Hahaha so funny ! I have only 3 of them, so, i can't even speak with you Master ?0 -
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✭✭As long as you haven't played a nightblade and played against a nightblade, no.
And don't speak to me unless spoken to.
btw: I would have to shut up as well. So maybe the few who actually have experience on both sides and with all possible counters can find something useful instead of this mindless nerf this nerf that barfing.Edited by Leandor on August 25, 2015 9:37AM2 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭As long as you haven't played a nightblade and played against a nightblade, no.
And don't speak to me unless spoken to.
btw: I would have to shut up as well. So maybe the few who actually have experience on both sides and with all possible counters can find something useful instead of this mindless nerf this nerf that barfing.
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EatUrNumNumz✭✭✭EatUrNumNumz wrote: »EatUrNumNumz wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »
You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?EatUrNumNumz wrote: »
Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.
Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.
As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.
I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.
I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.
I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.
You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness
Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.
First off, 12m range isn't "too small". If anything I'd say it's balanced. Second, it prevents you from getting cc'ed from stealth and reduces the damage of stealth attacks by 50%! That's massive. Also it is the same range as a detect pot. They nerfed detect pot from 43 seconds, which NEVER should have happened to 13.4 seconds( or something) BASE TIME. If you have the Medicinal Use passive in Alchemy, which by the way is stupid easy to get it bumps it to like 16 seconds or something, which is plenty of time of detection, along with being able to replenish magicka, increasing magicka regen, or health. So I have no clue why the hell people are crying over something that was COMPLETELY countering a huge part of a class, almost no matter the playstyle being toned down to be balanced.
Thirdly you should get you facts straight and probably ask or test things yourself before spouting off about things you clearly have no idea about. I mean do you or have you ever even played a nightblade? Also from your previous comments I gather you main a sorcerer? Which is by far the funniest thing that you are complaining about any class, particularly about nightblades. You have first off the EASIEST class to play. Including the easiest class to kill a nightblade. Especially a stam nightblade. But to go back to the point of this paragraph, Revealing Flare. Revealing Flare, DOES NOT PULL NIGHTBLADES OUT OF CLOAK. IT NEVER HAS. It's used to find mass groups of people sitting in stealth, not cloak and prevents them from being able to go stealth again. NOT CLOAKING. Do you even play this game bro? Seriously.
I reiterate, before you go spouting about things, you should probably do your research, l2p, and or actually play what you're claiming to be OP and find out the ins and outs of it before you start making ridiculous claims.
No but really, you're a sorc? l2p
10 seconds is the base duration, not 13, magelight and detection potions do not have the same radius. Yes, I'm playing a NIghtblade and finally, I'm no bro.
And I agree with you, people should get their facts straight, including you. So many wrong informations in 1 text...
And I also agree, 40 seconds detection potion was too good. But reducing it to 10s (or 13 with passives) is a bit overnerfed in my opinion.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/208417/pts-patch-notes-v2-1-2/p1
Ctrl+F, type potions.
Crafting & Economy
General
Reduced the maximum duration (before passives) for detection potions to 12.5 seconds from 43 seconds, as they previously proved too effective to foil any means of stealth.
YOU WERE SAYING BRO!?!?!?!??!?! Honestly, you need to also l2read patch notes as well as l2p the game. xD
Please refute this. You and anyone else saying it was only 10 seconds. I DON'T SEE THE NUMBER 10 ANYWHERE IN THE PATCH NOTES FOR DETECT POTIONS.
Oh father tell me, why do I have to face people like him every day.
You know nothing about me and nothing about the game. Unlike you, I'm playing it and I'm playing on the pts and see what Mama Dracane brought home today, a cute liddle picture.
You should stop reading non sense and should start testing things yourself. And now do me a favor, and stop bothering me with your wrong informations.
This is an average detection potion. First picture without the Alchemy passive and 2nd one with all 3 points spent.
Okay, I'll admit you got me there with a screenshot @Dracane. But I was simply going from the PATCH NOTES. You know, the things that are supposed to tell us what's going into the game? It says the MAXIMUM BEFORE PASSIVES is supposed to be 12.5. So naturally seeing your screenshot this means the tooltip or ENTIRE thing is BUGGED. Obviously this is not "working as intended". Seriously, if you sat and thought about that for a second, I'm sure you would have figured that one out.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, any word on this being bugged or incorrect tooltip? Again, honestly 15 seconds should be MORE than enough time to catch a NB. Stamina build or magicka, especially as a sorcerer.
Also, @Dracane as many of us have said before. There are numerous amount of counters to the skill. And there is no such thing as spamming cloak, or fear, or shades into cloak UNLESS you're built for it. Another thing is, there have been multiple threads, videos and such showcasing and voicing the fact that SINCE BETA, the skill has not been WORKING AS INTENDED, breaking constantly on many different things. So before anyone can even call for unneeded nerfs, the skill must be fixed first. And that's exactly what ZOS is trying to do. FIX the skill, not buff it. Buffing it would be like, increasing duration, reducing cost, adding effects to the current ones now.
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✭✭✭✭✭EatUrNumNumz wrote: »EatUrNumNumz wrote: »EatUrNumNumz wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »
You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?EatUrNumNumz wrote: »
Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.
Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.
As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.
I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.
I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.
I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.
You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness
Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.
First off, 12m range isn't "too small". If anything I'd say it's balanced. Second, it prevents you from getting cc'ed from stealth and reduces the damage of stealth attacks by 50%! That's massive. Also it is the same range as a detect pot. They nerfed detect pot from 43 seconds, which NEVER should have happened to 13.4 seconds( or something) BASE TIME. If you have the Medicinal Use passive in Alchemy, which by the way is stupid easy to get it bumps it to like 16 seconds or something, which is plenty of time of detection, along with being able to replenish magicka, increasing magicka regen, or health. So I have no clue why the hell people are crying over something that was COMPLETELY countering a huge part of a class, almost no matter the playstyle being toned down to be balanced.
Thirdly you should get you facts straight and probably ask or test things yourself before spouting off about things you clearly have no idea about. I mean do you or have you ever even played a nightblade? Also from your previous comments I gather you main a sorcerer? Which is by far the funniest thing that you are complaining about any class, particularly about nightblades. You have first off the EASIEST class to play. Including the easiest class to kill a nightblade. Especially a stam nightblade. But to go back to the point of this paragraph, Revealing Flare. Revealing Flare, DOES NOT PULL NIGHTBLADES OUT OF CLOAK. IT NEVER HAS. It's used to find mass groups of people sitting in stealth, not cloak and prevents them from being able to go stealth again. NOT CLOAKING. Do you even play this game bro? Seriously.
I reiterate, before you go spouting about things, you should probably do your research, l2p, and or actually play what you're claiming to be OP and find out the ins and outs of it before you start making ridiculous claims.
No but really, you're a sorc? l2p
10 seconds is the base duration, not 13, magelight and detection potions do not have the same radius. Yes, I'm playing a NIghtblade and finally, I'm no bro.
And I agree with you, people should get their facts straight, including you. So many wrong informations in 1 text...
And I also agree, 40 seconds detection potion was too good. But reducing it to 10s (or 13 with passives) is a bit overnerfed in my opinion.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/208417/pts-patch-notes-v2-1-2/p1
Ctrl+F, type potions.
Crafting & Economy
General
Reduced the maximum duration (before passives) for detection potions to 12.5 seconds from 43 seconds, as they previously proved too effective to foil any means of stealth.
YOU WERE SAYING BRO!?!?!?!??!?! Honestly, you need to also l2read patch notes as well as l2p the game. xD
Please refute this. You and anyone else saying it was only 10 seconds. I DON'T SEE THE NUMBER 10 ANYWHERE IN THE PATCH NOTES FOR DETECT POTIONS.
Oh father tell me, why do I have to face people like him every day.
You know nothing about me and nothing about the game. Unlike you, I'm playing it and I'm playing on the pts and see what Mama Dracane brought home today, a cute liddle picture.
You should stop reading non sense and should start testing things yourself. And now do me a favor, and stop bothering me with your wrong informations.
This is an average detection potion. First picture without the Alchemy passive and 2nd one with all 3 points spent.
Okay, I'll admit you got me there with a screenshot @Dracane. But I was simply going from the PATCH NOTES. You know, the things that are supposed to tell us what's going into the game? It says the MAXIMUM BEFORE PASSIVES is supposed to be 12.5. So naturally seeing your screenshot this means the tooltip or ENTIRE thing is BUGGED. Obviously this is not "working as intended". Seriously, if you sat and thought about that for a second, I'm sure you would have figured that one out.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, any word on this being bugged or incorrect tooltip? Again, honestly 15 seconds should be MORE than enough time to catch a NB. Stamina build or magicka, especially as a sorcerer.
Also, @Dracane as many of us have said before. There are numerous amount of counters to the skill. And there is no such thing as spamming cloak, or fear, or shades into cloak UNLESS you're built for it. Another thing is, there have been multiple threads, videos and such showcasing and voicing the fact that SINCE BETA, the skill has not been WORKING AS INTENDED, breaking constantly on many different things. So before anyone can even call for unneeded nerfs, the skill must be fixed first. And that's exactly what ZOS is trying to do. FIX the skill, not buff it. Buffing it would be like, increasing duration, reducing cost, adding effects to the current ones now.
What part of just because something is strong, doesn't mean it's OP don't people understand?
It might not be a bug. I pointed out, that the patchnotes might refere to the the vr15 version of this potion (vr 15 water)
The potion on my screenshot is the max level potion from the current game. But there will be higher potions and they could have a base duration of 12,5 seconds.
No matter what, the patchnotes don't explain it well enough Auri-El is my lord,
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Magnus is my mind.
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EatUrNumNumz✭✭✭@Dracane, I can totally agree that the patch notes aren't explained clear enough bud. haha0
should happen soon though.