WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

All damage and healing is being reduced by 50% in the next patch. That pretty much solves your issue concerning the 12-14k damage abilities, which several other classes can achieve under the right circumstances.

As for the nightblade class itself, your argument seems to be mostly geared towards stamina builds, which are taking a big hit in the upcoming patch. So big a hit that most will likely go magicka.

Since stamina will arguably be useless in the upcoming patch except in the hands of an expert player, let's focus on magicka. Their builds lack the burst that stamina has. Teleporting strikes is their gap closer in PVP because Lotus Fan blows, even with its upcoming direct boost to initial damage. Sure, they could take Ambush, but after 3-4 casts their stamina would be drained. And magicka builds arguably rely on stamina more than stamina builds because they still need to dodge roll a few times and to block, both of which are getting nerfed. So Ambush doesn't fit well.

For Cloak, it's is getting a boost, but any AOE will still bring you out of stealth. The run speed while cloaked is very fast, making a gap closer unnecessary. But this skill is nothing more than an annoyance. The DoT removal makes sense and really doesn't effect any class except maybe DKs, who rely on DoTs more. And any magicka build using the Mage Light morph can basically nullify the benefit of cloak.

Siphon abilities only work well in zergs and are not a reliable form of healing in 1v1-3 combat. Plus these abilities will heal for much less with the 50% reduction to damage and healing.

The fear ability is a pain in the backside, but it's getting an immunity added to it so that it won't be spammable. The reduction of your damage by 15% on top of the 50% you're already going to get will seem negligible. Fights are going to become longer and more drawn out, which doesn't work in the favor of a burst class like nightblade. The snare can be found in several classes and weapon/skill lines, so they're is nothing new there.

So overall, stamina nightblades are getting the nerf bat directly to the face (along with almost any other stamina build regardless of class). Magicka nightblades are getting a boost to cloak, but between the massive reduction to all damage and healing, the magicka Nightblade will be little more than an annoying fly with its lack of burst capability. Great escape and survivability abilities, but you'll be fine getting attacked with a wet noodle from out of nowhere.

TL;DR Long story short, you're getting what you want. So just be patient and wait for the patch to drop.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Pls stop responding your not actually saying anything helpful and are just randomly naming abilities.

This one thinks you are doing the same and that you should follow your own advice.

This one only decides to talk and compare abilities with people of a certain mental age and considering the first thing you wrote in this thread was calling me mentally inadequate, i don't count you as one.

So unless you actually have something constructive to say and it's not just 'were glass, cloak sucks, l2p... etc... and have actual interesting points. Shoo.

The above is what I first posted. And there are 2 reasons I bring it up. The first is to show a proven record of your incorrectness. The second is to show a bias disregard for the facts that you have so careful made sure not to recognize from several advice givers. And I should mention that I don't play a nightblade. I tried it multiple times and could never get the hang of it. I main a Templar healer and my only other alt is a DK fire mage. My experience with the nightblade class comes from my limited time playing as them, my experience battling them in PVP and my friends who play them.

You have had less than 6 posts that agree with you (not counting your own posts) in the 60+ posts currently made in this thread. All the other posts are from players who disagree, many of whom are experienced advice givers on this forum.

Regardless of what you're reason(s) is for this thread and your behavior in it, you are clearly ignoring the facts that have been provided to you by the overwhelming majority. You're cherry picking comments that you can twist in your favor or make inaccurate comparisons with when you do respond to someone else. You're trying to compare class abilities in the hopes of further reducing the viability of a class rather that trying to understand ways to counter the class or make appropriate balancing suggestions.

As I mentioned in my first post, you're getting what you want in terms of stamina nightblades. Since my first post, you have focused in on cloak and fear primarily. You are of the belief that cloak allows for removal of DoTs and a critical strike on the next attack. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is one or the other, not both. A brief invisibility and either a DoT removal or a critical strike is not unseemly for one ability. And if the nightblade spams it, that only works in your favor. The more they spam it, the less magicka they have to attack you with or defend against you with.

For fear, the immunity being added will prevent the target from being CCed by it for 6 seconds AFTER the previous fear effects wear off. That is 10 seconds of immunity after you regain control of your character. Not huge, but also not spammable. This ability also does not cause any damage. The ability gives roughly 4 seconds of loss of character ability followed by 4 seconds of 50% speed reduction and a 15% drop in damage, which is NOT additive with the 50% reduction that PVP is going to see in the new patch. So its actually only about 7.5% drop in damage. You have repeatedly mentioned this is 4 abilities in one. By my count it is actually only 3. There are several class abilities that give 3 effects and you haven't mentioned the need to nerf those abilities. The loss of control of your character is broken if you're directly attacked (DoTs don't count). And the stamina cost to break it is not any more expensive than breaking out of any other CC. If you have proof that it does, please contact ZoS and report the bug so that it can be fixed ASAP. But for me, I have not noticed it costing any more than other CCs.

Plus there is the fact that magicka nightblade builds do not possess the burst capability of stamina builds. So between the upcoming changes to stamina blocking and dodge rolling, the reduction of heals, damage and shields by 50%, and the fact that magicka nightblades are not as burst capable as stamina builds, you will see the disappearance of high number hits and one shot kills from this class.

ZoS has publicly admitted that the changes to cloak are a FIX and not a buff. The ability is glitchy as it currently stands and as several people here have already mentioned to you. I have lost fights in PVP because our magicka nightblade scout got caught due to some faulty cloak casts and we had to try to rush in and save him or he wasn't able to stay where he was and report to us about enemy movements.

I'm not going to sit here and compare skills from different class to those of the nightblade class. Why? Because they are DIFFERENT. Different means not the same and you can't accurately compare two things that aren't the same. Skills are all different and serve different purposes. Some skills have a broad range of uses and others have very specific uses. There will always be imbalances between classes for this very reason. Its like trying to balance the flavor and appearance of apples and oranges. You can't because they serve different purposes and are more appealing to some than others.

And lastly, you are failing to take into account any other potential issues that could result in the issues you're having. For instance, a large enough gap in champion points can greatly effect the damage a character puts out, the stamina cost to break free of CC and the damage a character receives (mitigation). Another potential issue would be the faction you're fighting against. There are bonuses for being a member of the underdog team. I believe the current bonus is something like 10% increase regen or something like that. I know the boost is going up to 20% when the patch hits, I'm just not entirely certain of the bonus category.

Is there anything else I can help you understand today?

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Note to self: why am I feeding again?

https://youtu.be/sCSmegp7lt0

That nightblade vid you qouted? Pre 1.6 I believe. Meh the game changes. The changes you want are available in imperial city. Was already stated on page one I think.

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NE5ixRb7G0Q

https://youtu.be/rI2zUwbvm4o

https://youtu.be/nB-yS962Zfg

Here you go. People playing other classes and winning maybe you like to get the 'facts' from them eh?

And yes, any class with the right builds played by the right player will win hands down. And maybe, just maybe, that clunky control for console is the reason for your unhappiness. If the delay that kills u, its not the game. Its the controls. Just a thought.

Getting youtubers with high cp to show you them killing everything is not exactly helpful, you got a sorc video of sypher....?

I've also saw sypher take on an entire EP zerg, about 50 people and kill them all, using a nb.

Can I get a link to that video? I would love to see that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfllRa4CYyc&index=10&list=PLXm4ijgo1i0Gxx5v-4Aa_zegCcGGCpeT6

Definitely an awesome video. But I'd like to point out that he does a lot of his damage and CC with Steel Tornado and Caltrops. Neither are directly related to the nightblade. He doesn't use fear as far as I can tell and he isn't spamming cloak, which have been your two biggest complaints about the class. The only thing he seems to be abusing is dodge roll. His gap closer isn't taking off huge chunks of enemy health as you seem to believe. His Surprise Attack is doing the real single target damage in this video.

He is playing a stamina nightblade, which is about to become an extinct build once the patch hits. Sypher has a lot of champion points, which you just said doesn't count a few posts back. Sypher also did some testing on the PTS and he has mentioned several times over the last couple of weeks that stamina nightblades will become INCREDIBLY difficult to play well in the new patch.

Edited for grammar typos.

Oh. Now I can't comment on your capability as a PVP player, but I know Sypher is an amazing PVP player who is easily in the top 5% of all ESO PVP players. So skill can create the illusion of a gap between classes too.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

lolzbuckets wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NE5ixRb7G0Q

https://youtu.be/rI2zUwbvm4o

https://youtu.be/nB-yS962Zfg

Here you go. People playing other classes and winning maybe you like to get the 'facts' from them eh?

And yes, any class with the right builds played by the right player will win hands down. And maybe, just maybe, that clunky control for console is the reason for your unhappiness. If the delay that kills u, its not the game. Its the controls. Just a thought.

Getting youtubers with high cp to show you them killing everything is not exactly helpful, you got a sorc video of sypher....?

I've also saw sypher take on an entire EP zerg, about 50 people and kill them all, using a nb.

So...you spent hours of your time telling people that their arguments were invalid because they didn't come with photographic evidence that their math was correct, then they provided photographic and/or video evidence that their math was correct and now you're saying that those don't prove anything either.

You make good points. Please, continue.

those videos were posted to show high end players killing other classes with 400cp characters?

Tell me more about this math?

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

lolzbuckets wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NE5ixRb7G0Q

https://youtu.be/rI2zUwbvm4o

https://youtu.be/nB-yS962Zfg

Here you go. People playing other classes and winning maybe you like to get the 'facts' from them eh?

And yes, any class with the right builds played by the right player will win hands down. And maybe, just maybe, that clunky control for console is the reason for your unhappiness. If the delay that kills u, its not the game. Its the controls. Just a thought.

Getting youtubers with high cp to show you them killing everything is not exactly helpful, you got a sorc video of sypher....?

I've also saw sypher take on an entire EP zerg, about 50 people and kill them all, using a nb.

So...you spent hours of your time telling people that their arguments were invalid because they didn't come with photographic evidence that their math was correct, then they provided photographic and/or video evidence that their math was correct and now you're saying that those don't prove anything either.

You make good points. Please, continue.

those videos were posted to show high end players killing other classes with 400cp characters?

Tell me more about this math?

ummm ya but a person with 90 champ points can dump them into sheilds and have the same sheild size.

a person with 90 cp's means he'll only have 30 to dump into bastion, big difference between having 90 cp's and 500.

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NE5ixRb7G0Q

https://youtu.be/rI2zUwbvm4o

https://youtu.be/nB-yS962Zfg

Here you go. People playing other classes and winning maybe you like to get the 'facts' from them eh?

And yes, any class with the right builds played by the right player will win hands down. And maybe, just maybe, that clunky control for console is the reason for your unhappiness. If the delay that kills u, its not the game. Its the controls. Just a thought.

Getting youtubers with high cp to show you them killing everything is not exactly helpful, you got a sorc video of sypher....?

I've also saw sypher take on an entire EP zerg, about 50 people and kill them all, using a nb.

Can I get a link to that video? I would love to see that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfllRa4CYyc&index=10&list=PLXm4ijgo1i0Gxx5v-4Aa_zegCcGGCpeT6

Definitely an awesome video. But I'd like to point out that he does a lot of his damage and CC with Steel Tornado and Caltrops. Neither are directly related to the nightblade. He doesn't use fear as far as I can tell and he isn't spamming cloak, which have been your two biggest complaints about the class. The only thing he seems to be abusing is dodge roll. His gap closer isn't taking off huge chunks of enemy health as you seem to believe. His Surprise Attack is doing the real single target damage in this video.

He is playing a stamina nightblade, which is about to become an extinct build once the patch hits. Sypher has a lot of champion points, which you just said doesn't count a few posts back. Sypher also did some testing on the PTS and he has mentioned several times over the last couple of weeks that stamina nightblades will become INCREDIBLY difficult to play well in the new patch.

Edited for grammar typos.

Oh. Now I can't comment on your capability as a PVP player, but I know Sypher is an amazing PVP player who is easily in the top 5% of all ESO PVP players. So skill can create the illusion of a gap between classes too.

Leandor wrote: »

Whoa, baby, this thing still alive? Cool story, Bro. Although I am really trying to adhere to those funny post rules, I can't help myself but comment a bit.

Really thought that most people would have noticed by now that OP just needs to vent his opinion and is not interested in any discussion. Sisyphos must be proud to have so many diligently following his footsteps...

For further reference, I also recommend to follow his posts in many other threads. Nightblade is apparently not the only "most overpowered class only played by no-lifers".

This should have died long since.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

I see this thread is still going. OP still won't admit the classes are faily balanced and he is just jelous that NB are cool. Lol

Balanced? even if its not just how nb's are above the rest your really putting templar's and dks on the same level as a sorc and nb?

I think it's just you won't admit your passable 'skill' in pvp is due to your class having an advantage in it.

chevalierknight wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

I see this thread is still going. OP still won't admit the classes are faily balanced and he is just jelous that NB are cool. Lol

Balanced? even if its not just how nb's are above the rest your really putting templar's and dks on the same level as a sorc and nb?

I think it's just you won't admit your passable 'skill' in pvp is due to your class having an advantage in it.

I don't pvp that much and when i do i suck. You sure do like jumping to conclusions and making assumptions don't you? Maybe it's YOU who just suck at pvp?

You know that head blowing up in scanners op after reading

chevalierknight wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

I see this thread is still going. OP still won't admit the classes are faily balanced and he is just jelous that NB are cool. Lol

Balanced? even if its not just how nb's are above the rest your really putting templar's and dks on the same level as a sorc and nb?

I think it's just you won't admit your passable 'skill' in pvp is due to your class having an advantage in it.

I don't pvp that much and when i do i suck. You sure do like jumping to conclusions and making assumptions don't you? Maybe it's YOU who just suck at pvp?

You know that head blowing up in scanners op after reading

What?

Google head blowing up scanners

Cyrediath wrote: »

I actually think sorcerers are op intead of nb..

I know eso pvp isn't about 1v1, there is no duel, no arenas etc etc but if you duel with other classes, at the end, you will see only shield stacking magicka sorcerers and defensive DK's. You are saying sypher has nb that kills DC Group but I see him mostly using weapons skills and spamming dodge rolling which is going to be NERFED SO BAD!

Also Sypher has video that he kills DC Group with his sorcerer and he is using CLASS SKILLS there. Also some skills like Detonation, and Sorcerer's finisher which both going to be DAMAGE BUFFED!

Sorcerers are op at this time and they are going to be more buffed and nb's are going to be nerfed. I know its not only nerf to nightblade its about stamina builds but stamina nightblades doesn't have shields, heals etc like other class. it has some heals but they are not effective and really bad in pvp. I'm pretty sure people (especially sorcerers) are going to cry that nightblades are op again. Even if they can 1 shot most nightblades they will still cry.