Lets have an offical Nerf Nb thread.

bowmanz607

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

leepalmer95

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

bowmanz607

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

leepalmer95

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

Nighn_9

Let's talk about nerfing those sorc shields and dk block first.. then we can start talking about squishy nb's (the easiest class to kill)

imredneckson

Please don't nerf my NB . I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK

Jeckll

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

1) Ambush does less damage than Crit Rush and doesnt stun on hit (except from stealth like every other ability).
2) Every CC in Eso is "easy spammable". Dont even know what that means. Mass Hysteria is not cheaper than other CCs and my Hotkey for that skil is not easier to press than the others. I give you that it's really strong, but there are other CCs you can apply though block as well.
3) Surprise Attack is the trademark Stamian Nightblade Skill. Like Radient Destruction, Hardened Ward or Talons, other classes might find it unfair because they dont have access to it. But that doesnt make it imbalanced. All classes have specific benefits.
4) Refreshing Shadows gets changed to 15% Regeneration.
5) You can either demove DOTs with Cloak OR Crit 100% from stealth. Spaming Cloak is a Magicka Nightblade thing...those guys dont have access to Surprise Attack btw. And no, you dont get the Stealth-Damage Bonus from being invisible thanks to cloak.

Overall, your claims are full of half-truth, some even wrong stuff and you're mixing the benefits of Magicka and Stamina Nightblades...so the fearful assassin you describe, spaming Cloak and Surprise Attack is not possible.

Maybe we need a nerf, but you wont get it with uninformed raging. A well researched post would have at least been a base for a solid discussion about the state of nightblade but as it is now, I can do nothing but point out your biased theses.

WyldfireWyrm

All damage and healing is being reduced by 50% in the next patch. That pretty much solves your issue concerning the 12-14k damage abilities, which several other classes can achieve under the right circumstances.

As for the nightblade class itself, your argument seems to be mostly geared towards stamina builds, which are taking a big hit in the upcoming patch. So big a hit that most will likely go magicka.

Since stamina will arguably be useless in the upcoming patch except in the hands of an expert player, let's focus on magicka. Their builds lack the burst that stamina has. Teleporting strikes is their gap closer in PVP because Lotus Fan blows, even with its upcoming direct boost to initial damage. Sure, they could take Ambush, but after 3-4 casts their stamina would be drained. And magicka builds arguably rely on stamina more than stamina builds because they still need to dodge roll a few times and to block, both of which are getting nerfed. So Ambush doesn't fit well.

For Cloak, it's is getting a boost, but any AOE will still bring you out of stealth. The run speed while cloaked is very fast, making a gap closer unnecessary. But this skill is nothing more than an annoyance. The DoT removal makes sense and really doesn't effect any class except maybe DKs, who rely on DoTs more. And any magicka build using the Mage Light morph can basically nullify the benefit of cloak.

Siphon abilities only work well in zergs and are not a reliable form of healing in 1v1-3 combat. Plus these abilities will heal for much less with the 50% reduction to damage and healing.

The fear ability is a pain in the backside, but it's getting an immunity added to it so that it won't be spammable. The reduction of your damage by 15% on top of the 50% you're already going to get will seem negligible. Fights are going to become longer and more drawn out, which doesn't work in the favor of a burst class like nightblade. The snare can be found in several classes and weapon/skill lines, so they're is nothing new there.

So overall, stamina nightblades are getting the nerf bat directly to the face (along with almost any other stamina build regardless of class). Magicka nightblades are getting a boost to cloak, but between the massive reduction to all damage and healing, the magicka Nightblade will be little more than an annoying fly with its lack of burst capability. Great escape and survivability abilities, but you'll be fine getting attacked with a wet noodle from out of nowhere.

TL;DR Long story short, you're getting what you want. So just be patient and wait for the patch to drop.

RavenSworn

Holy shizz man cloak is so unreliable I rather put something else in its slot. Dots break cloak, YOUR own dots break cloak, light attack breaks it, almost anything breaks it now. And did you know, stealth increases the ambush skill, not cloak. Stealth is a mechanic EVERY class has. Cloak removes dots.... And Templars have cleanse?

And to have been hit by a 10k ambush non crit means that nb has build for it. He is not build for sustain but burst damage and low survivability. You have inner light ( lesser stelath dmg morph) and that hit goes down by 70%. You put up shields, you fear him back and you put points into tumbling in cp.

That you got hit by that amount leads to two things, either you did not make yourself have more survivability or the other player just went balls out on damage. Either way, nbs are so one dimensional in damage dealing that its easy to predict how they will enter the fray.

Hate this kind of threads. Its what happened to Dk before the last update. Templars have self heals, have reflect shields.. I mean.. Just look into all your arsenal before making all these nonsensical claims.

Leandor

Note to Self: Stop replying to useless topics.

Mush55

Plz nerf my Nb who is so tough and can cloak away for hours on end and one shot every class and every lvl

I have 3 chances at cloak in a fight if it doesn't bug and either fail or drop the second after it's been used, also if I stuff up my rotation after my initial attack I die .

Try playing the class and find out how you actually have to pick your opponent and hope it all comes together instead of look there's the opposition chargeeeeeeeeeeeeee

strikeback1247

I love how every class is OP in this game! Never have I seen so many QQ posts in any game forums.

I love it. Gives me more opportunities to grab popcorn :^)

chevalierknight

Farorin wrote: »

Haha, I thought this was a joke thread at first. Especially considering how in PTS currently NBs are most certainly not OP and considering how easy it is to throw a spanner in their whole game plan.

Good luck trying to convince any competent player after next big update goes live that NBs are OP seeing as how they are one of the easiest classes to kill.

Yeh at first i was wheres the lol option then i was like oh op where the faceplam

leepalmer95

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I love how every class is OP in this game! Never have I seen so many QQ posts in any game forums.

I love it. Gives me more opportunities to grab popcorn :^)

It's because zos just can't seem to get a basic balance right... literally one will be op and instead of adjusting it slightly they nerf it into the ground and buff another which will reverse the situation.

RavenSworn

leepalmer95 wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I love how every class is OP in this game! Never have I seen so many QQ posts in any game forums.

I love it. Gives me more opportunities to grab popcorn :^)

It's because zos just can't seem to get a basic balance right... literally one will be op and instead of adjusting it slightly they nerf it into the ground and buff another which will reverse the situation.

No its because of vocal minorities that really hurt ANY class right now. See the IC patch notes. Now we have a set armor that literally deals more damage to shields. This is due to players complaining on the forums (as oppose to trying to find out how to offset this skill ingame) and not even realizing that this will just add more QQ in the forums!

NBs fearing? let them! they waste their resources not attacking you. Change your CP points to tumbling. Reflective scales op? dont send projectiles at them. the animations is a HUGE wings over the player. You must have only looked at your bar and counting the CDs instead of looking at the playing field. Trouble with stealth attacks? RADIANT MAGELIGHT. IT reduces stealth attacks by 50%. 50%! and that is not counting your own damage mitigation on armor or other abilities!

bowmanz607

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

I forget the skill line but one of the 3 class skill lines gives increase in health recovery for each ability slotted.

leepalmer95

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

I forget the skill line but one of the 3 class skill lines gives increase in health recovery for each ability slotted.

For a sorc? it's one health recovery, since when is health recovery even that useful in pvp?

KerinKor

This is another PVP QQ thread about an alleged OP class, right?

leepalmer95

KerinKor wrote: »

This is another PVP QQ thread about an alleged OP class, right?

Yep.

bowmanz607

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

I forget the skill line but one of the 3 class skill lines gives increase in health recovery for each ability slotted.

For a sorc? it's one health recovery, since when is health recovery even that useful in pvp?

No no no. Lol. You are misreading. I am saying that the health recovery passive for dk. I also agree that it is useless. I am saying that passive needs to be changed and that stamina sorcs in general need work. Stam sorc are better in patch but it would be nice to see a stam recovery added to sorc passives. Kinda like how the nb lost its 30% stam recovery and got 15% but got 15% magicka recovery.

leepalmer95

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

I forget the skill line but one of the 3 class skill lines gives increase in health recovery for each ability slotted.

For a sorc? it's one health recovery, since when is health recovery even that useful in pvp?

No no no. Lol. You are misreading. I am saying that the health recovery passive for dk. I also agree that it is useless. I am saying that passive needs to be changed and that stamina sorcs in general need work. Stam sorc are better in patch but it would be nice to see a stam recovery added to sorc passives. Kinda like how the nb lost its 30% stam recovery and got 15% but got 15% magicka recovery.

Most classes received some sort of nerf, but nb's didn't, considering all stamina nb's are likely going to become magicka nb's the 15%/15% is actually a benefit for them.

bowmanz607

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

sorcs have sheilds. and if you are refering to stam sorc which is few and far between, then i would agree. stam sorcs need some love. I also think the DK paasive that gives health recovery needs to be changed.

What passive that gives health recovery xD?

Sorc have shields to survive
You can cloak to survive.

I forget the skill line but one of the 3 class skill lines gives increase in health recovery for each ability slotted.

For a sorc? it's one health recovery, since when is health recovery even that useful in pvp?

No no no. Lol. You are misreading. I am saying that the health recovery passive for dk. I also agree that it is useless. I am saying that passive needs to be changed and that stamina sorcs in general need work. Stam sorc are better in patch but it would be nice to see a stam recovery added to sorc passives. Kinda like how the nb lost its 30% stam recovery and got 15% but got 15% magicka recovery.

Most classes received some sort of nerf, but nb's didn't, considering all stamina nb's are likely going to become magicka nb's the 15%/15% is actually a benefit for them.

All stamina builds got nerfed and all magicka builds were buffed from the nirn fix. What nerf to others do you speak of? Sheilds? But they also reduced the damage taken in pvp. Also, sheilds needed to be nerfed. Shield stacking sorcs were op. Jesus beam? Well ya it's an execute. That's like killers blade or impale not being an execute but still hit like it does in execute phase. Don't fix it if it ain't broken. NB is fine. Sorc is just as good just different playstyle. Dk got another powerful heal that is also a cc.

Zachy_B

No.

mcurley

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

OdinForge

Lowenhigh wrote: »

Razor Caltrops > NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Regen is nerfed on pts. Plus the took a 35% damage reduction. You should be ok now.

Dmg by 30% seems were already at 20% reduction
Stamina regen when blocking, nb's don't block they roll dodge or cloak.

Cloak is actually getting buffed.

You don't know anything about the top tier NB, one of the most OP build specs in this game period comes from a NB permablocker in the current 1.6 patch.

And yet here you are making nerf NB threads, for some reason. Mage Light works amazing against cloak on the PTS, and detect pots are still supposed to work. Caltrops are also a great counter if you can manage your stamina right. This thread is months too late, 1.7 is right around the corner.

Jennifur_Vultee

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Who hasn't been?

bowmanz607

I would like to point out that cloack is being fixed not buffed. Been broken since launch and has received incremental fixes while they have been gathering the proper data to diagnose, fix and test.

leepalmer95

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

After spending all year round working on 10k word essays, sry i don't try hard to be a grammer robot on a game forum.

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

JohnnnyVegas

That 30% stamina regen while it sounds awesome, in actual combat; using abilities, blocking, attacks, etc. you don't really notice it. What is key for rebuilding your stamina is Siphoning Attacks, but it's chance based per hit, and that comes with a reduced damage penalty. But that can be overcome with Sap Essence. It's not overpowered. It's about setup.

leepalmer95

JohnnnyVegas wrote: »

That 30% stamina regen while it sounds awesome, in actual combat; using abilities, blocking, attacks, etc. you don't really notice it. What is key for rebuilding your stamina is Siphoning Attacks, but it's chance based per hit, and that comes with a reduced damage penalty. But that can be overcome with Sap Essence. It's not overpowered. It's about setup.

Your saying the 30% stamina recovery isn't noticeable...?

Say a dk had 2k stamina recovery thats pretty high and should do.

A nb with the exact same equipment, cp , etc.. on would have 2600 stamina recovery because of the 30% passive. You get 600 more from a passive skill.