leepalmer95 wrote: »kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Please don't nerf my NB. I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK
school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?
duel wield, stack spelldmg, get 20% spelldmg buff, cast relentless focus, done ^^
mage guild passive?
WyldfireWyrm wrote: »
lolzbuckets wrote: »WyldfireWyrm wrote: »
He's complaining because he sucks at PvP and refuses to admit that maybe the issue is with him, not with everybody else in Cyrodiil.
Thought we were clear on that much. :P
leepalmer95 wrote: »kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Please don't nerf my NB. I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK
school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?
duel wield, stack spelldmg, get 20% spelldmg buff, cast relentless focus, done ^^
mage guild passive?
Yea nightblades hits much with mages guild passive and detonation lets nerf nightblade.
leepalmer95 wrote: »lolzbuckets wrote: »WyldfireWyrm wrote: »
He's complaining because he sucks at PvP and refuses to admit that maybe the issue is with him, not with everybody else in Cyrodiil.
Thought we were clear on that much. :P
How do you know i suck at pvp? , trying running a class apart from the most op and see how you do ^^
I wish nobody ever got nerfed. I love the idea of all builds having options for extreme abilities. NBs SHOULD be able to gank you if they get the drop on you alone, and they should have advantages to getting the drop on you.
Sorcs should be able to use magic to move faster and do tremendous elemental damage to you.
Dragonknights should be very, very hard to kill or do phenomal fire damage.
Templars should be able to call shiny doom on everyone.
And I say that as someone who has been killed by all of these plenty of times.
lolzbuckets wrote: »I wish nobody ever got nerfed. I love the idea of all builds having options for extreme abilities. NBs SHOULD be able to gank you if they get the drop on you alone, and they should have advantages to getting the drop on you.
Sorcs should be able to use magic to move faster and do tremendous elemental damage to you.
Dragonknights should be very, very hard to kill or do phenomal fire damage.
Templars should be able to call shiny doom on everyone.
And I say that as someone who has been killed by all of these plenty of times.
Exactly. This is what I've been saying from the start.
Only thing I think needs tuning is when one class is incredibly more powerful than every other class even when individual skill is entirely removed from the equation, and right now, that is just not remotely the case.
lolzbuckets wrote: »I wish nobody ever got nerfed. I love the idea of all builds having options for extreme abilities. NBs SHOULD be able to gank you if they get the drop on you alone, and they should have advantages to getting the drop on you.
Sorcs should be able to use magic to move faster and do tremendous elemental damage to you.
Dragonknights should be very, very hard to kill or do phenomal fire damage.
Templars should be able to call shiny doom on everyone.
And I say that as someone who has been killed by all of these plenty of times.
Exactly. This is what I've been saying from the start.
Only thing I think needs tuning is when one class is incredibly more powerful than every other class even when individual skill is entirely removed from the equation, and right now, that is just not remotely the case.
Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
WyldfireWyrm wrote: »lolzbuckets wrote: »I wish nobody ever got nerfed. I love the idea of all builds having options for extreme abilities. NBs SHOULD be able to gank you if they get the drop on you alone, and they should have advantages to getting the drop on you.
Sorcs should be able to use magic to move faster and do tremendous elemental damage to you.
Dragonknights should be very, very hard to kill or do phenomal fire damage.
Templars should be able to call shiny doom on everyone.
And I say that as someone who has been killed by all of these plenty of times.
Exactly. This is what I've been saying from the start.
Only thing I think needs tuning is when one class is incredibly more powerful than every other class even when individual skill is entirely removed from the equation, and right now, that is just not remotely the case.
But let's face it....when developers make patches, they cater to the minority who whine like this about any small issue because they are the least understanding and their most likely to leave the game, which costs them potential future financial income. So the devs make changes to keep them in the game and spending money because the rest of the gamer population will be understanding about any changes or at least tolerate the changes without leaving.
And thank you for clarifying the problem for me earlier. Not sure why it didn't come to me sooner.
Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
bowmanz607 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
I think the use is a matter of opinion and playstyle. Crit rush hits harder, but ambush can be used in stealth, gives u bonus damage and has no minimum distance. Not to mention can be used on any bar.I always slot ambush over the other. But that is just my playstyle.
lolzbuckets wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
I think the use is a matter of opinion and playstyle. Crit rush hits harder, but ambush can be used in stealth, gives u bonus damage and has no minimum distance. Not to mention can be used on any bar.I always slot ambush over the other. But that is just my playstyle.
Oh yeah! I forgot that you couldn't critical charge from stealth. Also that.
But his point was more in reference to the OP's comments about how Ambush was such a hard hitting gap closer, when the numbers he proceeded to cite were ones that you'd struggle to reach with Critical Rush.
Though if you got off an Ambush on the rear aspect from stealth, his numbers might actually be possible. Once. Not spammably. Which...yeah, OP isn't very good at arguing.
Some people replying to you don't main, or even play, Nightblades. They even told you so, but that only matters if you actually read what they say.leepalmer95 wrote: »lolzbuckets wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
I think the use is a matter of opinion and playstyle. Crit rush hits harder, but ambush can be used in stealth, gives u bonus damage and has no minimum distance. Not to mention can be used on any bar.I always slot ambush over the other. But that is just my playstyle.
Oh yeah! I forgot that you couldn't critical charge from stealth. Also that.
But his point was more in reference to the OP's comments about how Ambush was such a hard hitting gap closer, when the numbers he proceeded to cite were ones that you'd struggle to reach with Critical Rush.
Though if you got off an Ambush on the rear aspect from stealth, his numbers might actually be possible. Once. Not spammably. Which...yeah, OP isn't very good at arguing.
It's pointless to argue with a bunch of nb bandwagoners who specifically made nb's just for this next patch,
Nobody ever made that argument. At all. We DID say that sorcs are stronger and more versatile than NBs in general in PvP, because...that is true. They deal at least comparable damage, they have much more survivability, and they have a more effective and non-broken escape. In PvP, they get the best of everything.your entire arguement is sorc have shields or sorc are stronger or my favourite 'L2P'
Nobody said that, either. We pretty much all said that, if we *had* to pick a single class that was strongest, it would be sorc or nightblade, but that any comparison like that was pretty stupid, because various builds of various classes have sort of a rock-paper-scissors relationship with various other builds of various other classes. Also, your assertion that nightblades are OP is based entirely on the fact that you suck at fighting against nightblades as a dragonknight. That's a pretty weak position to start from, especially when you deny that it's the place you're starting from. THAT just makes you look like a lunatic.You still go on like dk's or templars are in the same league as nb's in pvp.
Actually, if I ever two-shot somebody, I'm gonna say "holy ***, that templar was squishy as hell. That *never* happens." Because it..it really doesn't. lol
Just keep telling yourself your a good pvper when you kill that templar and it's your skill doing it, not the fact you class casually 2 hits people.
Just so you know cloak isn't getting BUFFED next patch it's getting FIXED. It was bugged where single target abilities executed after the time stamp of cloak execution was still hitting the NB, doing damage, and knocking the NB out of cloak.
Devs have already confirmed that it's not working as intended, it was broken forever, and finally will be fixed.
Cry more.
leepalmer95 wrote: »lolzbuckets wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
I think the use is a matter of opinion and playstyle. Crit rush hits harder, but ambush can be used in stealth, gives u bonus damage and has no minimum distance. Not to mention can be used on any bar.I always slot ambush over the other. But that is just my playstyle.
Oh yeah! I forgot that you couldn't critical charge from stealth. Also that.
But his point was more in reference to the OP's comments about how Ambush was such a hard hitting gap closer, when the numbers he proceeded to cite were ones that you'd struggle to reach with Critical Rush.
Though if you got off an Ambush on the rear aspect from stealth, his numbers might actually be possible. Once. Not spammably. Which...yeah, OP isn't very good at arguing.
It's pointless to argue with a bunch of nb bandwagoners who specifically made nb's just for this next patch,
your entire arguement is sorc have shields or sorc are stronger or my favourite 'L2P'
You still go on like dk's or templars are in the same league as nb's in pvp.
Just keep telling yourself your a good pvper when you kill that templar and it's your skill doing it, not the fact you class casually 2 hits people.
lolzbuckets wrote: »Some people replying to you don't main, or even play, Nightblades. They even told you so, but that only matters if you actually read what they say.leepalmer95 wrote: »lolzbuckets wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »I stopped reading when you started discussing ambush. Critical Rush hits harder, and ambush doesn't stun players. That one sentence proved to me that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Nightblades. Also currently sorcerers are the most OP class in Cyrodiil.
I think the use is a matter of opinion and playstyle. Crit rush hits harder, but ambush can be used in stealth, gives u bonus damage and has no minimum distance. Not to mention can be used on any bar.I always slot ambush over the other. But that is just my playstyle.
Oh yeah! I forgot that you couldn't critical charge from stealth. Also that.
But his point was more in reference to the OP's comments about how Ambush was such a hard hitting gap closer, when the numbers he proceeded to cite were ones that you'd struggle to reach with Critical Rush.
Though if you got off an Ambush on the rear aspect from stealth, his numbers might actually be possible. Once. Not spammably. Which...yeah, OP isn't very good at arguing.
It's pointless to argue with a bunch of nb bandwagoners who specifically made nb's just for this next patch,Nobody ever made that argument. At all. We DID say that sorcs are stronger and more versatile than NBs in general in PvP, because...that is true. They deal at least comparable damage, they have much more survivability, and they have a more effective and non-broken escape. In PvP, they get the best of everything.your entire arguement is sorc have shields or sorc are stronger or my favourite 'L2P'Nobody said that, either. We pretty much all said that, if we *had* to pick a single class that was strongest, it would be sorc or nightblade, but that any comparison like that was pretty stupid, because various builds of various classes have sort of a rock-paper-scissors relationship with various other builds of various other classes. Also, your assertion that nightblades are OP is based entirely on the fact that you suck at fighting against nightblades as a dragonknight. That's a pretty weak position to start from, especially when you deny that it's the place you're starting from. THAT just makes you look like a lunatic.You still go on like dk's or templars are in the same league as nb's in pvp.Actually, if I ever two-shot somebody, I'm gonna say "holy ***, that templar was squishy as hell. That *never* happens." Because it..it really doesn't. lol
Just keep telling yourself your a good pvper when you kill that templar and it's your skill doing it, not the fact you class casually 2 hits people.
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Nobody but you ever actually said any of those things.
You know what? Going back and editing in a point-by-point breakdown, because this post was short and I'm watching TV. :P
How about we stop balancing the game with nerfs and instead balance the game with buffs....
leepalmer95 wrote: »
WyldfireWyrm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
So you agree with that line of logic? You've stated that your particular experience has been bad against nightblades when most everyone else has no issue, so you want the class skills to be nerfed. I'm pretty sure you complained about some sorc and weapon abilities as well. If that line of twisted logic works, then I am definitely going to start my own thread to complain about all the class and skill lines except werewolf. Maybe they will feel good to play again once 95% of the other players' experiences turns to total garbage.
leepalmer95 wrote: »WyldfireWyrm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
So you agree with that line of logic? You've stated that your particular experience has been bad against nightblades when most everyone else has no issue, so you want the class skills to be nerfed. I'm pretty sure you complained about some sorc and weapon abilities as well. If that line of twisted logic works, then I am definitely going to start my own thread to complain about all the class and skill lines except werewolf. Maybe they will feel good to play again once 95% of the other players' experiences turns to total garbage.
go ahead, they nerfed dk's to near uselessness, because reflect was op or such. Though i wasn't around then.
I'm really trying to let this thread die, too many people have joined the nb bandwagon already and now defend them because they've already leveled one for IC.
My personal opinion is that nb's are op, no other class even comes close to the burst dmg they do.
Now can you just go away, your not exactly doing anything in this thread, just throwing l2p and sorc are op around and throwing sarcasm as a way to ignore the actual topic.
uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »Gosh this is still up? Why are we feeding it again? IT GROWS. Nothing is going to change his thoughts, not even after clearly breaking down each of his points.