uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Control. Resource management. Better survivability. as we all have said. Once a NB's cover is down, he is out for the count. Its funny that you said about NB tears... All i see here is you trying to defend your statements while the rest are all stating their facts.

Really weirded out how you are so adamant about a single class. Oh well, vocal MINORITY.

Facts, all i hear is ooh we are glass but can 1 hit people easy....

Thats all i hear, is go play nb this is bad, that is bad etc...

I played nb and it is definitely the strongest class.

Just the amount it can do is > than it the fact its 'glass' greatest defence is a great offence?

Everyone keeps saying about how that die like paper, so do other classes, when a sorc loses his shield they die, templers can self heal but they die all the same as they literally can't move. DK's self heal only goes so far, stamina dk's can use it twice, magicka dk's run out of stamina extremely quickly as they don't have a class shield or a insta invisibility to use.

Nb's either forever roll dodge or forever stay invisible so do they constantly get hit?

A nb's defence is the ability to not get attacked at all by cloaking.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Control. Resource management. Better survivability. as we all have said. Once a NB's cover is down, he is out for the count. Its funny that you said about NB tears... All i see here is you trying to defend your statements while the rest are all stating their facts.

Really weirded out how you are so adamant about a single class. Oh well, vocal MINORITY.

Facts, all i hear is ooh we are glass but can 1 hit people easy....

Thats all i hear, is go play nb this is bad, that is bad etc...

I played nb and it is definitely the strongest class.

Just the amount it can do is > than it the fact its 'glass' greatest defence is a great offence?

Everyone keeps saying about how that die like paper, so do other classes, when a sorc loses his shield they die, templers can self heal but they die all the same as they literally can't move. DK's self heal only goes so far, stamina dk's can use it twice, magicka dk's run out of stamina extremely quickly as they don't have a class shield or a insta invisibility to use.

Nb's either forever roll dodge or forever stay invisible so do they constantly get hit?

A nb's defence is the ability to not get attacked at all by cloaking.

It sounds like you need to learn how to manage your resources and learn weaknesses of other classes. I play all classes and can kill all classes. you need to practice, learn what the other person is running and all that good stuff. that comes with time spent playing and learning what all classes are like.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

All in one easy spammable aoe skill fear is not spammable, you can use it evry 6 sec

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen next patch this is being nerf to 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs thier is 2 morph so yes they can remove dots and do more crit when goin invisble but its one or the other not both at same time.

and the gap cloer doin 12k not sure about that its more the soul assualt that come after gap cloer that does that much dmg but then again its an ultimate

@leepalmer95
your saying nerf NB but all your talking about here on this thread refer to a stam NB as a magika NB i do not have a 10k-12k gap closer. and i cannot roll dodge talon as easy as you say which makes talon just as good as fear.

also evrything thats on the pts that in paper say NB are getting buff as in cloak or not all true look at the pts thread

Well the 30% stamina is going to 15% stamina and 15% magicka, hardly a nerf, more of a buff.
this can be both ways nerf or buff as a magika NB i prefer the 30% stam recovery. i need more stam for those talons.

also fear dosent break half the time. shouldn't that be more of something thats zos should fix not just say nerf it

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

@leepalmer95
your saying nerf NB but all your talking about here on this thread refer to a stam NB as a magika NB i do not have a 10k-12k gap closer. and i cannot roll dodge talon as easy as you say which makes talon just as good as fear.

also evrything thats on the pts that in paper say NB are getting buff as in cloak or not all true look at the pts thread

Well the 30% stamina is going to 15% stamina and 15% magicka, hardly a nerf, more of a buff.
this can be both ways nerf or buff as a magika NB i prefer the 30% stam recovery. i need more stam for those talons.

also fear dosent break half the time. shouldn't that be more of something thats zos should fix not just say nerf it

why is fear so strong in the first place? what other class cc skill does 4 effects?

Talons roots, frags knocks down, templer spear knocks down...

Fear, makes you lose control, slows movement by 50%, snares and reduces your dmg by 15%

well fossilize which i think is better then talon . can be activate even if NB is in cloak form, turns you into stone, and you are rooted after you break free.
you have to be honest their are many amazing skill just like fear out their. its just at this momment every stam NB is using it.
as a magika NB i mostly use fear just to escape i prefer using cloak to consealed weapon stun.

also templar well IDK lol

sorc you comparing frag knock down with fear ? well frag knock down has the knock down + 18k hit + it can proc where you have an instant cast so it has 3 effect

so that 2 skill with 3 effect just like fear.

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

@leepalmer95
your saying nerf NB but all your talking about here on this thread refer to a stam NB as a magika NB i do not have a 10k-12k gap closer. and i cannot roll dodge talon as easy as you say which makes talon just as good as fear.

also evrything thats on the pts that in paper say NB are getting buff as in cloak or not all true look at the pts thread

Well the 30% stamina is going to 15% stamina and 15% magicka, hardly a nerf, more of a buff.
this can be both ways nerf or buff as a magika NB i prefer the 30% stam recovery. i need more stam for those talons.

also fear dosent break half the time. shouldn't that be more of something thats zos should fix not just say nerf it

why is fear so strong in the first place? what other class cc skill does 4 effects?

Talons roots, frags knocks down, templer spear knocks down...

Fear, makes you lose control, slows movement by 50%, snares and reduces your dmg by 15%

well fossilize which i think is better then talon . can be activate even if NB is in cloak form, turns you into stone, and you are rooted after you break free.
you have to be honest their are many amazing skill just like fear out their. its just at this momment every stam NB is using it.
as a magika NB i mostly use fear just to escape i prefer using cloak to consealed weapon stun.

also templar well IDK lol

sorc you comparing frag knock down with fear ? well frag knock down has the knock down + 18k hit + it can proc where you have an instant cast so it has 3 effect

so that 2 skill with 3 effect just like fear.

but frag is blockable and easily dodgeable and easy to get up if you actually manage to be hit by it, fear is not.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

@leepalmer95
your saying nerf NB but all your talking about here on this thread refer to a stam NB as a magika NB i do not have a 10k-12k gap closer. and i cannot roll dodge talon as easy as you say which makes talon just as good as fear.

also evrything thats on the pts that in paper say NB are getting buff as in cloak or not all true look at the pts thread

Well the 30% stamina is going to 15% stamina and 15% magicka, hardly a nerf, more of a buff.
this can be both ways nerf or buff as a magika NB i prefer the 30% stam recovery. i need more stam for those talons.

also fear dosent break half the time. shouldn't that be more of something thats zos should fix not just say nerf it

why is fear so strong in the first place? what other class cc skill does 4 effects?

Talons roots, frags knocks down, templer spear knocks down...

Fear, makes you lose control, slows movement by 50%, snares and reduces your dmg by 15%

well fossilize which i think is better then talon . can be activate even if NB is in cloak form, turns you into stone, and you are rooted after you break free.
you have to be honest their are many amazing skill just like fear out their. its just at this momment every stam NB is using it.
as a magika NB i mostly use fear just to escape i prefer using cloak to consealed weapon stun.

also templar well IDK lol

sorc you comparing frag knock down with fear ? well frag knock down has the knock down + 18k hit + it can proc where you have an instant cast so it has 3 effect

so that 2 skill with 3 effect just like fear.

but frag is block-able and easily dodge-able and easy to get up if you actually manage to be hit by it, fear is not.

yes frag is very easy to counter with dodge but most new player don't dodge just as new player don't use fear correctly.

also frag is block-able just has fear you can use the heavy armor skill immovable and keep it up every 12 sec and fear has no effect on you. . ok you don't want to waist a skill slot just for fear well then use a potion which is just like immovable

Theres no blocking fear, you still haven't named a cc that even comes close to fear...?

and how about fossilized like i mention 5 post back their pretty much on par with fear. you didn't comment back on that

Jbugz97 wrote: »

Theres no blocking fear, you still haven't named a cc that even comes close to fear...?

and how about fossilized like i mention 5 post back their pretty much on par with fear. you didn't comment back on that

Your actually comparing fossilize? ok...

Fossilize, is a stun, that roots for 2.5 seconds after breaking. Single target.

Fear/ mass hysteria. Aoe cc, can't be blocked, makes you lose control of your character completely (only cc in the game to do that, gives you a 50% movement speed reduction after breaking it, snares you after breaking it, and reduces the dmg you do by 15%

So 4 effects + AOE, Strongest cc (lose control of your character), 15% dmg reduction, snare and 50% movement speed reduction.

Vs 2 effects, stun and a snare.

are you playing on console or pc ? reason i ask is because the only thing i see wrong with fear is the delay on break free that happens sometimes. when i was playing on pc i never had these problem as you can key bind break free to one button . on console i hate the break free button lay out.

Jbugz97 wrote: »

are you playing on console or pc ? reason i ask is because the only thing i see wrong with fear is the delay on break free that happens sometimes. when i was playing on pc i never had these problem as you can key bind break free to one button . on console i hate the break free button lay out.

console, it's the delay that gets me killed all the time.

chevalierknight wrote: »

best thing about these kinds posts are op gets all mad and devs dont even read or care ;]

Yes, so mad right now, not sure what over but i'm mad!

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

are you playing on console or pc ? reason i ask is because the only thing i see wrong with fear is the delay on break free that happens sometimes. when i was playing on pc i never had these problem as you can key bind break free to one button . on console i hate the break free button lay out.

console, it's the delay that gets me killed all the time.

chevalierknight wrote: »

best thing about these kinds posts are op gets all mad and devs dont even read or care ;]

Yes, so mad right now, not sure what over but i'm mad!

same here pc i never had that problem. but i know you saying nerf nb . but if your saying nerf them do to fear you should really be asking zos to fix the delay.

But zos answer to a specific problem is nerf everything, isn't that how they work?

For example in the next patch the 50% dmg reduction, all they had to do was reduce the dmg of certain skills such as snipe, wb, frags, etc... so people didn't lose over 50% of there life in 1 hit and pvp would of been fine.

Instead they just nerfed everything to be certain they got it.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

are you playing on console or pc ? reason i ask is because the only thing i see wrong with fear is the delay on break free that happens sometimes. when i was playing on pc i never had these problem as you can key bind break free to one button . on console i hate the break free button lay out.

console, it's the delay that gets me killed all the time.

chevalierknight wrote: »

best thing about these kinds posts are op gets all mad and devs dont even read or care ;]

Yes, so mad right now, not sure what over but i'm mad!

same here pc i never had that problem. but i know you saying nerf nb . but if your saying nerf them do to fear you should really be asking zos to fix the delay.

But zos answer to a specific problem is nerf everything, isn't that how they work?

For example in the next patch the 50% dmg reduction, all they had to do was reduce the dmg of certain skills such as snipe, wb, frags, etc... so people didn't lose over 50% of there life in 1 hit and pvp would of been fine.

Instead they just nerfed everything to be certain they got it.

lol

to be honest i think the problem with break free is that we can't key bind our controller(remap), reason being if you play on pc everyone well i think everyone key binded the break free to just one button. i even did it on pc using a ps4 controller.
this made break free so easy. i think i saw a video with deltiagaimg before console release where he said you have to key bind break free its unreliable if you don't and this was on pc. ps4 has key-bind now
we need this for xbox.
what i'm going to do about it? is im goin to buy that new xbox elite controller when it comes out and hope i can key bind 2 button to one
and also remap my swap weapon

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

are you playing on console or pc ? reason i ask is because the only thing i see wrong with fear is the delay on break free that happens sometimes. when i was playing on pc i never had these problem as you can key bind break free to one button . on console i hate the break free button lay out.

console, it's the delay that gets me killed all the time.

chevalierknight wrote: »

best thing about these kinds posts are op gets all mad and devs dont even read or care ;]

Yes, so mad right now, not sure what over but i'm mad!

same here pc i never had that problem. but i know you saying nerf nb . but if your saying nerf them do to fear you should really be asking zos to fix the delay.

But zos answer to a specific problem is nerf everything, isn't that how they work?

For example in the next patch the 50% dmg reduction, all they had to do was reduce the dmg of certain skills such as snipe, wb, frags, etc... so people didn't lose over 50% of there life in 1 hit and pvp would of been fine.

Instead they just nerfed everything to be certain they got it.

lol

to be honest i think the problem with break free is that we can't key bind our controller(remap), reason being if you play on pc everyone well i think everyone key binded the break free to just one button. i even did it on pc using a ps4 controller.
this made break free so easy. i think i saw a video with deltiagaimg before console release where he said you have to key bind break free its unreliable if you don't and this was on pc. ps4 has key-bind now
we need this for xbox.
what i'm going to do about it? is im goin to buy that new xbox elite controller when it comes out and hope i can key bind 2 button to one
and also remap my swap weapon

Zos really needs to iron out these things, it's so important in pvp that you can break free when you need two that little delay literally kills you,

i've only had this problem with fear though every other skill breaks free fine.

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

All damage and healing is being reduced by 50% in the next patch. That pretty much solves your issue concerning the 12-14k damage abilities, which several other classes can achieve under the right circumstances.

As for the nightblade class itself, your argument seems to be mostly geared towards stamina builds, which are taking a big hit in the upcoming patch. So big a hit that most will likely go magicka.

Since stamina will arguably be useless in the upcoming patch except in the hands of an expert player, let's focus on magicka. Their builds lack the burst that stamina has. Teleporting strikes is their gap closer in PVP because Lotus Fan blows, even with its upcoming direct boost to initial damage. Sure, they could take Ambush, but after 3-4 casts their stamina would be drained. And magicka builds arguably rely on stamina more than stamina builds because they still need to dodge roll a few times and to block, both of which are getting nerfed. So Ambush doesn't fit well.

For Cloak, it's is getting a boost, but any AOE will still bring you out of stealth. The run speed while cloaked is very fast, making a gap closer unnecessary. But this skill is nothing more than an annoyance. The DoT removal makes sense and really doesn't effect any class except maybe DKs, who rely on DoTs more. And any magicka build using the Mage Light morph can basically nullify the benefit of cloak.

Siphon abilities only work well in zergs and are not a reliable form of healing in 1v1-3 combat. Plus these abilities will heal for much less with the 50% reduction to damage and healing.

The fear ability is a pain in the backside, but it's getting an immunity added to it so that it won't be spammable. The reduction of your damage by 15% on top of the 50% you're already going to get will seem negligible. Fights are going to become longer and more drawn out, which doesn't work in the favor of a burst class like nightblade. The snare can be found in several classes and weapon/skill lines, so they're is nothing new there.

So overall, stamina nightblades are getting the nerf bat directly to the face (along with almost any other stamina build regardless of class). Magicka nightblades are getting a boost to cloak, but between the massive reduction to all damage and healing, the magicka Nightblade will be little more than an annoying fly with its lack of burst capability. Great escape and survivability abilities, but you'll be fine getting attacked with a wet noodle from out of nowhere.

TL;DR Long story short, you're getting what you want. So just be patient and wait for the patch to drop.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Pls stop responding your not actually saying anything helpful and are just randomly naming abilities.

This one thinks you are doing the same and that you should follow your own advice.

This one only decides to talk and compare abilities with people of a certain mental age and considering the first thing you wrote in this thread was calling me mentally inadequate, i don't count you as one.

So unless you actually have something constructive to say and it's not just 'were glass, cloak sucks, l2p... etc... and have actual interesting points. Shoo.

The above is what I first posted. And there are 2 reasons I bring it up. The first is to show a proven record of your incorrectness. The second is to show a bias disregard for the facts that you have so careful made sure not to recognize from several advice givers. And I should mention that I don't play a nightblade. I tried it multiple times and could never get the hang of it. I main a Templar healer and my only other alt is a DK fire mage. My experience with the nightblade class comes from my limited time playing as them, my experience battling them in PVP and my friends who play them.

You have had less than 6 posts that agree with you (not counting your own posts) in the 60+ posts currently made in this thread. All the other posts are from players who disagree, many of whom are experienced advice givers on this forum.

Regardless of what you're reason(s) is for this thread and your behavior in it, you are clearly ignoring the facts that have been provided to you by the overwhelming majority. You're cherry picking comments that you can twist in your favor or make inaccurate comparisons with when you do respond to someone else. You're trying to compare class abilities in the hopes of further reducing the viability of a class rather that trying to understand ways to counter the class or make appropriate balancing suggestions.

As I mentioned in my first post, you're getting what you want in terms of stamina nightblades. Since my first post, you have focused in on cloak and fear primarily. You are of the belief that cloak allows for removal of DoTs and a critical strike on the next attack. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is one or the other, not both. A brief invisibility and either a DoT removal or a critical strike is not unseemly for one ability. And if the nightblade spams it, that only works in your favor. The more they spam it, the less magicka they have to attack you with or defend against you with.

For fear, the immunity being added will prevent the target from being CCed by it for 6 seconds AFTER the previous fear effects wear off. That is 10 seconds of immunity after you regain control of your character. Not huge, but also not spammable. This ability also does not cause any damage. The ability gives roughly 4 seconds of loss of character ability followed by 4 seconds of 50% speed reduction and a 15% drop in damage, which is NOT additive with the 50% reduction that PVP is going to see in the new patch. So its actually only about 7.5% drop in damage. You have repeatedly mentioned this is 4 abilities in one. By my count it is actually only 3. There are several class abilities that give 3 effects and you haven't mentioned the need to nerf those abilities. The loss of control of your character is broken if you're directly attacked (DoTs don't count). And the stamina cost to break it is not any more expensive than breaking out of any other CC. If you have proof that it does, please contact ZoS and report the bug so that it can be fixed ASAP. But for me, I have not noticed it costing any more than other CCs.

Plus there is the fact that magicka nightblade builds do not possess the burst capability of stamina builds. So between the upcoming changes to stamina blocking and dodge rolling, the reduction of heals, damage and shields by 50%, and the fact that magicka nightblades are not as burst capable as stamina builds, you will see the disappearance of high number hits and one shot kills from this class.

ZoS has publicly admitted that the changes to cloak are a FIX and not a buff. The ability is glitchy as it currently stands and as several people here have already mentioned to you. I have lost fights in PVP because our magicka nightblade scout got caught due to some faulty cloak casts and we had to try to rush in and save him or he wasn't able to stay where he was and report to us about enemy movements.

I'm not going to sit here and compare skills from different class to those of the nightblade class. Why? Because they are DIFFERENT. Different means not the same and you can't accurately compare two things that aren't the same. Skills are all different and serve different purposes. Some skills have a broad range of uses and others have very specific uses. There will always be imbalances between classes for this very reason. Its like trying to balance the flavor and appearance of apples and oranges. You can't because they serve different purposes and are more appealing to some than others.

And lastly, you are failing to take into account any other potential issues that could result in the issues you're having. For instance, a large enough gap in champion points can greatly effect the damage a character puts out, the stamina cost to break free of CC and the damage a character receives (mitigation). Another potential issue would be the faction you're fighting against. There are bonuses for being a member of the underdog team. I believe the current bonus is something like 10% increase regen or something like that. I know the boost is going up to 20% when the patch hits, I'm just not entirely certain of the bonus category.

Is there anything else I can help you understand today?