Lets have an offical Nerf Nb thread.

Cyrediath

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

willymchilybily

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorcerer can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

Agree with this. I haven't played sorc and am new to the game as PS4 user, so here since 1.6. but from what ive seen from my own experiences and in streams from others, plus the changes coming with the DLC, i think stam NB isnt as OP as you make out. And it sounds like you have never played one in pvp, no offence intended. Most NB i see using gap closers like this are stamina builds, 2H/DW, and this in turn means these abilities you say are too powerful aren't able to be spammed. Every cloak and fear drains my tiny magicka pool significantly. if i cloak surprise attack for the stun/armour reduction its more of my magicka gone

and how do i escape how do i survive. i can fear, i can cloak, i can blur, and i can dodge-roll.. but with the changes to dodge-roll i may get 3 or 4 in before im out. It all becomes magicka based escapes, so if i use a cloak and it fails or im marked by another nb, game over. You will start seeing NBs with retreating maneuvers on their bow bar just to have a chance of escaping, and well fitted armor. But a Sorc is pure magicka, so shields and bolt escape all work very harmoneously with high damage moves. The only comparison i can give is imagine if your bolt escape was stamina based, something you rely on to survive is fueld by your smallest resource pool, or you have to sacrifice damage for more utility.

as for DK they are just resource managing gods. I never thought of them as a burst damage character so its not even a fair comparison. With a powerful reflect and so many close range dots, The earthen heart passives quickly regen ultimate and stamina, all you do is bide your time then suddenly you drop your talons/banner, possible an eruption cloud to slow them further and they are toast. not to mention passives that further reduces damage when blocking, really think you are doing it wrong if you want your dragon knight to burst down an enemy. bide your time let them waste resources, then strike. Also I think magicka DK all the way off set with some stam gear and the stam regen passives plus green dragons blood, reduce block cost etc you don't need to be pure stamina to block for days on that class and you still keep all the utility, and trade of the ability to 2 shot the enemy.

TL;DR. agree with reeko, stamNB have to use many magicka abilities, they certainly cant spam. where sorc can Bolt from same resource pool it uses for damage. And DK comparison is stupid, its a different play style all together.

wayfarerb14_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O here we go again. I remember the days when noone wanted NB's in their group let alone a stam NB.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.


Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Now for this post...

First, you are simply referring to a stam NB it seems not all NBs

Second, ambush does reasonable damage. CHamp points make it seem worse. 12-14k easy...i would like to see the numbers on that one cause umm no. perhaps buffed weapon damage from stealth with a bosmer and high crit damge.

thrid, yes suprise attack is a great dps as it should be. NB's thing is that it is suppose to be the high STDPS class. not to mention all of the self heals come from killing. NB is either kill or be killed class. If we didnt have high STDPS then we would have roughly same dps as all others with no self heal.

fourth, you talk about fear but what about talons, mines, frags, and punturing strikes. Everyone has a unique ability like fear. Plus fear is needed for many reasons. again, we have no self heal so we need a way to take the pressure off of us. it is also a reliable way to use cloack which is very unreliable at times and requires hitting the ability 2 or 3 times to get one cloak.

fifth, refreshing shadows the change to this was warranted

sixth, cloak. again, no self heal. this is our way to survive. also, unreliable making spamming it a few times necessary

There is more points i can make, but alas I am also to lazy

points? you kept mentioning no self heal, like you forgot the entire skill tree, sorc also don't have self heal? should they get insane op skills as well?

I love how people keep saying sorcs have no self heal. Yes they do, but most sorcs choose not to use them.

Jbugz97

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

I actually think sorcerers are op intead of nb..

I know eso pvp isn't about 1v1, there is no duel, no arenas etc etc but if you duel with other classes, at the end, you will see only shield stacking magicka sorcerers and defensive DK's. You are saying sypher has nb that kills DC Group but I see him mostly using weapons skills and spamming dodge rolling which is going to be NERFED SO BAD!

Also Sypher has video that he kills DC Group with his sorcerer and he is using CLASS SKILLS there. Also some skills like Detonation, and Sorcerer's finisher which both going to be DAMAGE BUFFED!

Sorcerers are op at this time and they are going to be more buffed and nb's are going to be nerfed. I know its not only nerf to nightblade its about stamina builds but stamina nightblades doesn't have shields, heals etc like other class. it has some heals but they are not effective and really bad in pvp. I'm pretty sure people (especially sorcerers) are going to cry that nightblades are op again. Even if they can 1 shot most nightblades they will still cry.

Detonation - a skill everyone uses

Sorc finisher, mages fury - proc's when target is at 20% hp, with or without that insane 10% more dmg buff thats getting added to it, at 20% they'll die to it either way.

Sorc have a shield, nb has a cloak, nb can avoid dmg altogether by going invisible while sorc have to repeatedly cast hardened ward.

Also in syphers vid, he uses nb ult, cloak, making full use of those 30% stam regen passive... etc... he uses teleport strike and ambush on people or did you not see them?

Why do people keep saying sorc are op as a counter to nbs being op?

1.6 is pretty much:

4. Templar - worst in pvp, only decent dps in punturing and radiant, both of which are easy to counter and radiant is getting nerfed next patch... poor guys.

3. Dk - no class execute, no class gap closer, no class mobility, just a bit better than templars because of ok cc with reflect scales + class heal.

A huge gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2.

2. Sorc - They have A (1.) class shield, hardened ward that stop physical + magic dmg. Good mobility using Be (next patch they can't teleport half of cyrodiil, which is great) , frags is decent dps if you actually hit with it, class execute (20% hp).

1. Nb's Instant cloak, high mobility because of it, great defensive skill. Highest dmging gap closer which is a class skill, best class passive in the game (pure 30% stamina regen increase) , cheapest ult in the game (50...) best cc ability in the game ( 4 effects + unblockable) highest dmging class overall.

this is hands down best passive in game from a DK

Battle Roar
Activating an ultimate restores health, magicka, and stamina in amount increased by (35-70%) of the ultimate’s cost.

ku5h

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

If im not misteaken proced Cristal frag does easy 14k+ and its knock down, and its ranged which is unmesurably better then gap closing into enemy!
So you are comparing 20k+ shields to 3sec stealth which can be easily broken by any aoe?
And botl escape is just lol to me, run into 10+ ppl proxy detonation and bolt away laughing at ppl chasing him!
Only needing 1 resource really to play effectivly, so yea, but thats my opinion having both nb and sorc at v14.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

hhhhaaaaa i love to see OP NB's trying to defend themselves, poorly and with no valid arguments. Guys, you are the stronger class atm, don't whine you'll have months of shining before ZOS even begin to do something. Ask the sorcerers, they have whine enough to stay at the top rank for months. Their tactic on the forum ? the same as you do : no we are not OP, i swear you guys just need L2P.

Hahaha c'mon guys ! Almost every PVP player is rerolling nb those days, don't you guess why ?

revonine

"The other guys class that I don't play is OP". That is a summary of every MMO gaming forum I've been a part of. Yes I have a Magicka Nightblade. Whether Magicka or Stamina though a simple detect potion means good bye nightblade because we're so squishy. I'm not aware of a potion that disable a sorcerers shields, a DK's flappy wings, or a Templar's jesus beam. A simple potion renders our classes signature ability useless.
And we need that cloak caus we're dead otherwise, oh and don't forget Radiant Magelight which makes our classes optimum style of play very hard to pull off. You can't say a class is Op if you refuse to slot it's counters. I don't moan about getting *** by Magicka DK's as a vampire becaue I refuse to run fire resist enchants.

Farorin

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

hhhhaaaaa i love to see OP NB's trying to defend themselves, poorly and with no valid arguments. Guys, you are the stronger class atm, don't whine you'll have months of shining before ZOS even begin to do something. Ask the sorcerers, they have whine enough to stay at the top rank for months. Their tactic on the forum ? the same as you do : no we are not OP, i swear you guys just need L2P.

Hahaha c'mon guys ! Almost every PVP player is rerolling nb those days, don't you guess why ?

I sincerely hope they are as I for one am looking forward to harvesting their tel var stones while leaving them wondering how they keep getting beaten with a class that is supposed to be OP.

Leandor

Farorin wrote: »

I sincerely hope they are as I for one am looking forward to harvesting their tel var stones while leaving them wondering how they keep getting beaten with a class that is supposed to be OP.

I have bookmarked that other thread just for this reason, so much looking forward to put a "told ya so" in there and laugh my arse off.

bowmanz607

Look at it this way. Dk and templar are best for group play and outshine nb and sorc in that respect. They are durable, have great sustain overall, and have skills that synergies well with group play. This is due to a lack of mobility. With nirn being fixed and Stam being nerfed we will see a rise in magicka builds. This allows those templars and dk's new to get that mobility skill by becoming a vamp if they so choose to be better at solo play.

NB and sorc are better at solo play. This is due to their awesome mobility and high burst damage to take down targets. They have less sustain then the other classes over a longterm fight and bring less to the table in group

With IC focused on more small group play, we will see a drastic rise in templars and dks. Many ppl on IC are playing magicka nb because they were told by ppl like sypher and deltia that this was going to be the go to build. That will change as it transitions to live. I'm not saying everyone will switch, but there will be a shift.

Additionally, ppl talk about templars not being that viable. Again I say look to sypher. He has never really played a templar and has never cared to run one cause ppl have told him all this false information about them. He rolled a templar in IC and destroyed ppl his first time out. This is a person that has never played an endgame templar.

Also, as for nb stealth. Templar use there aoe main dps when they spot one going to stealth. I do it all the time and it works. Throw on a detect pot if need be to get that exact spot. Dk spam talons. This keeps them out of stealth and stamina. Again I do it all the time and it works like a charm. Sorc can use streak and thuderong pressence. I don't play sorc but know it works great cause ppl use it on me all the time.

Lastly, notice what many of you are arguimg. Many ppl argue other classes weakest points while arguing a nb strongest points. This leads to a skewed and inaccurate discussion. For 8nstance, one of you argue above that a nb can cast cloack and mitigate all damage while a sorc has to keep recasting hardened ward. The way this is presented makes it seem that sorcs are at a disadvantage compared to a nb. One, a sorc casting hardened ward also mitigates all damage for the time the sheilds up. Now let's compare timing. That sheild at worst will last about as long as a nb cloak. Also, a nb has to keep recasting also although your comment as it reads suggest that only a sorc has to worry about reapplying their shield. Two, a sheild also mitigates all damage while sheild is up just like a nb can theoretically mitigate all damage while cloak is up. However, a nb can be pulled out of stealth easily as mentioned above or by other aoe skills inner light or detect pots. Lastly, a sorcs sheild is gutanteed to work whereas a nb cloak is not. Bottom line when you break down each class both are equals.

This is true of templar and dk. Both are equals to each other. As mentioned above, where dk/temp and sorc/nb differ are group play versus solo play. It is all about perspective and playstyle. Not saying a nb can't be effective in group and a dk can't be effective solo, but they each have inherently different playstyles.

As for ppl arguing with op...stop cause he is trolling. Keep your discussion with the other ppl in the form. You will get more out of it.

Rune_Relic

aoe breaks cloak.
aoe comes with snare.

cloak is very expensive for stamina NB.
As a stamina NB you use cloak and as an oh *** button when the resources need to recover because no real heals.
That cloak doesn't stay up for ever. Just a couple of seconds.

Most NBs rely on hitting you hard and fast and you dying quick.
Stay on your feet for a few more seconds and heal up....you would probably win.
1.7 kills off this burst damage anyway.

leepalmer95

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

Jbugz97

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

leepalmer95

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

Jbugz97

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

leepalmer95

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

I know how to use fosillize, it's really not that difficult to use. It's easy to break out of though. But that just like saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy...? it's just a cc skill there are plenty of others that do the same job or better.

Jbugz97

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

I know how to use fosillize, it's really not that difficult to use. It's easy to break out of though. But that just like saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy...? it's just a cc skill there are plenty of others that do the same job or better.

but that where your wrong
these that you wrote saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy
is not the same as proxy to fossolize to take flight, or fossilize to WB

just like previous post you said NB or OP because they use combo which is gap closer to fear which fear leave player open for the next move. which is usually soul assault which means dead

the combo i said is the same as NB, proxi to fossolize which leave your target open just like fear to take what ever next attacked would be right to the face.. in this case it would be take flight + proxi and many time that mean dead that can hit for 20k+


when you say these saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy is the same as using fossilize its telling me u don't use it right

leepalmer95

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

I know how to use fosillize, it's really not that difficult to use. It's easy to break out of though. But that just like saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy...? it's just a cc skill there are plenty of others that do the same job or better.

but that where your wrong
these that you wrote saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy
is not the same as proxy to fossolize to take flight, or fossilize to WB

just like previous post you said NB or OP because they use combo which is gap closer to fear which fear leave player open for the next move. which is usually soul assault which means dead

the combo i said is the same as NB, proxi to fossolize which leave your target open just like fear to take what ever next attacked would be right to the face.. in this case it would be take flight + proxi and many time that mean dead that can hit for 20k+


when you say these saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy is the same as using fossilize its telling me u don't use it right

So whats the difference, you get immunity after you break free from fossilize, you get immunity after you get up from flame reach?

Jbugz97

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

I know how to use fosillize, it's really not that difficult to use. It's easy to break out of though. But that just like saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy...? it's just a cc skill there are plenty of others that do the same job or better.

but that where your wrong
these that you wrote saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy
is not the same as proxy to fossolize to take flight, or fossilize to WB

just like previous post you said NB or OP because they use combo which is gap closer to fear which fear leave player open for the next move. which is usually soul assault which means dead

the combo i said is the same as NB, proxi to fossolize which leave your target open just like fear to take what ever next attacked would be right to the face.. in this case it would be take flight + proxi and many time that mean dead that can hit for 20k+


when you say these saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy is the same as using fossilize its telling me u don't use it right

So whats the difference, you get immunity after you break free from fossilize, you get immunity after you get up from flame reach?

im not talking about immunity if that's the case you get immunity when you break free of fear

im just showing you that their is alot of potential with dk the worst class as you stated. when their not, their very much on par with NB its just NB are very popular right now

leepalmer95

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

The problem is you can teleport whereever you want but we can just gap close you. you just said it. You are saying 12k ambush damage. They are also v14 glass cannon build with 300cps. Dont deflect the truths. The examples you have given all v14 with +300 cps and when we give the expamle you be like "4k streak huh.. sypher glass cannon bla bla" You are crying. You dont have anything to defense and you are like "what about this? what about this? You just said this but I dont care, what abour this??" if I cloak in a big group, I die. Because people know I'm there. Maybe one of them using detection potions. They spam aoe anyways you can't be invisible. But you can teleport whereever you want. It's so op that sorcerers can teleport from outpost to castle wtf?? It's going to be nerfed and all sorcerers are crying because they (including you) want to be OP! Dueling Sorcerers never use 2 streak or BoL in 4 seconds anyway. But for stamina nightblade, if you want to be alive you have to dodge roll most of the time because you dont have a skill that procs for insta cast and extra damage and hits around 16k and also stuns and gives health at the same time. Do you know how many health do I have as a stamina nightblade? 23k. And do you know how much sorcerers can hit to me? 8k curse 20k detonation 8k mage's fury 16k crsystal frag. Do you understand know? I know you understand but you dont want to because you are playing sorcerer and you want it to be super op class. it already is so stop throwing *** to other classes. If I dont dodge roll I'm dead with only 2 hits. If you as a sorcerer got hit, you teleport away and restack your shields also drop mines and wait in it. if you got hit just teleport again and do the same thing. If someone hits me and when I use cloak, people use aoe skills and cover blown. If you still think cloak is better you are really a troll.

I'm just going to say this again... i'm not a sorc, your entire defence to this thread is 'a sorc is more op'.

A sorc cannot teleport from outpost to castle....

The only way frags is useful in pvp is it if procs if it's not a proc it's slow to cast, really obvious when cast, blockable and avoidable. If your getting hit by 16k frags that your problem.

I have an actual argument if you care to read it, you need to calm down a bit tbh.

Also if you care to play a sorc it's good measure to BE twice out of a meteor.
How much hp do you think sorc have? less then 23k. You see you keep going on how op this shield is let me break down a sorc shield for you.

Hardened ward - Round about 15k shield. Physical + Magickal.
Harness/Dampen magicka - Light armor shield. 8k-14k MAgicka shield.
Healing ward - 5k-7k shield Both Physical + magickal . Lasts 6 seconds

So as healing ward only lasts 6 seconds, it's used to heal only, so physical characters need to get through 15k shield, shield have no armour value so 1-2 wbs, 2-3 snipes goes through easy. Just time it with a stun or so and then kill those 18k sorc...?

Or cry about how op they are.

Now i main a dk. As your apparently don't read i'll say it 2 more times just for you.
I main a dk.
I main a dk.

Tell more how op a dk is to a nb? Our only decent skill is reflect scales, if your stamina you can heal or reflect a total or 2 times.

If your magicka you can use them quite a bit, but 2-3 cc's and you die, no mobility, less dmg then stamina builds. No execute, no class gap closer?

tell moe how op templars and dk's are.

i really believe you need to try more of your class skill dk are reall powerfull. reflect scale is good but its def not the only decent skill you guys have.

also their a couple other thread of an unkillable DK sheliza (lol)
i have not seen an unkillable NB yet , actually NB are the most killed class in pvp

Nb's also kill the most people in pvp, the entirety of pvp is the least killable.

Tell me what skills are useful?

Apart from the basic ones such a fossilize, GDB, reflect and talons.

Where talons has terrible range, fossilize is just your basic cc, relfect is only useful if your magicka and gdb goes of how much hp your missing.

yes but those skill are great have you not seen a fossilize to wrekin blow combo its brutal or a proxi detonation to fossilized to take flight combo crazy burst. fossilize is amazing in the right hand just because you haven't figured it out yet dosent make dk skill bad

and be honest you probably have killed more bad nightblade then any other class in pvp. because anytime i see a nightblade i always target them. its just that sometimes you run into a good nightblade and they get the upper hand on you.

I know how to use fosillize, it's really not that difficult to use. It's easy to break out of though. But that just like saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy...? it's just a cc skill there are plenty of others that do the same job or better.

but that where your wrong
these that you wrote saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy
is not the same as proxy to fossolize to take flight, or fossilize to WB

just like previous post you said NB or OP because they use combo which is gap closer to fear which fear leave player open for the next move. which is usually soul assault which means dead

the combo i said is the same as NB, proxi to fossolize which leave your target open just like fear to take what ever next attacked would be right to the face.. in this case it would be take flight + proxi and many time that mean dead that can hit for 20k+


when you say these saying flame reach proxy or wb + proxy is the same as using fossilize its telling me u don't use it right

So whats the difference, you get immunity after you break free from fossilize, you get immunity after you get up from flame reach?

im not talking about immunity if that's the case you get immunity when you break free of fear

im just showing you that their is alot of potential with dk the worst class as you stated. when their not, their very much on par with NB its just NB are very popular right now

I never stated dk's were the worst class i stated templars was, then dk's, then sorc, then nb's.

Also they are not on par with nb's at all, not even close. They don't have the manoeuvrability, burst dmg, and are pretty standard with builds compare to nbs.

WyldfireWyrm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

After spending all year round working on 10k word essays, sry i don't try hard to be a grammer robot on a game forum.

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Remember this post? LOL

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YlraeEnyawMit wrote: »

yeah lets just nerf em all DK SORC NB TEMP WW VAMP all abilities skills attacks do 0 no matter. then we all be even. psssh. or learn to get around the problems your encountering when you get owned by nightblades lol 1v1 more than likely. better yet go research and study about making the best role/class your trying to acheive and stop crying on the forums

Oh someone telling me to l2p when he hasn't heard of basic grammer?

Let me guess you main a nb? Or you know we could adjust certain abilities to make the game more balanced.

Despite cyrodiils being full of nb's and sorc i don't want to run a anti nb build because:

1. I shouldn't have to specifically counter that class in order to have a chance.
2. Believe it or not there are 4 classes in this game, despite 2 of them not on the same level in pvp as the other two
3. The best counter to a nb is a nb, but sneaking around, ganking and spending 75% of a fight dodge rolling or being cloaked isn't my playstyle and in order to be able to deal with people doing exactly that i shouldn't have to.

And it's spelled grammar*.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

I actually think sorcerers are op intead of nb..

I know eso pvp isn't about 1v1, there is no duel, no arenas etc etc but if you duel with other classes, at the end, you will see only shield stacking magicka sorcerers and defensive DK's. You are saying sypher has nb that kills DC Group but I see him mostly using weapons skills and spamming dodge rolling which is going to be NERFED SO BAD!

Also Sypher has video that he kills DC Group with his sorcerer and he is using CLASS SKILLS there. Also some skills like Detonation, and Sorcerer's finisher which both going to be DAMAGE BUFFED!

Sorcerers are op at this time and they are going to be more buffed and nb's are going to be nerfed. I know its not only nerf to nightblade its about stamina builds but stamina nightblades doesn't have shields, heals etc like other class. it has some heals but they are not effective and really bad in pvp. I'm pretty sure people (especially sorcerers) are going to cry that nightblades are op again. Even if they can 1 shot most nightblades they will still cry.

Detonation - a skill everyone uses

Sorc finisher, mages fury - proc's when target is at 20% hp, with or without that insane 10% more dmg buff thats getting added to it, at 20% they'll die to it either way.

Sorc have a shield, nb has a cloak, nb can avoid dmg altogether by going invisible while sorc have to repeatedly cast hardened ward.

Also in syphers vid, he uses nb ult, cloak, making full use of those 30% stam regen passive... etc... he uses teleport strike and ambush on people or did you not see them?

Why do people keep saying sorc are op as a counter to nbs being op?

1.6 is pretty much:

4. Templar - worst in pvp, only decent dps in punturing and radiant, both of which are easy to counter and radiant is getting nerfed next patch... poor guys.

3. Dk - no class execute, no class gap closer, no class mobility, just a bit better than templars because of ok cc with reflect scales + class heal.

A huge gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2.

2. Sorc - They have A (1.) class shield, hardened ward that stop physical + magic dmg. Good mobility using Be (next patch they can't teleport half of cyrodiil, which is great) , frags is decent dps if you actually hit with it, class execute (20% hp).

1. Nb's Instant cloak, high mobility because of it, great defensive skill. Highest dmging gap closer which is a class skill, best class passive in the game (pure 30% stamina regen increase) , cheapest ult in the game (50...) best cc ability in the game ( 4 effects + unblockable) highest dmging class overall.

Nightblades have to repeatedly cast cloak if they want to HOPE to stay in cloak as it stands right now. So they burn magicka just like sorcs do, if not worse than them when trying to escape.

Sypher was using Ambush, which is a morph of Teleporting Strike. Its not possible to use both of these skills.

And people keep saying that sorc is op because it is easily harder to beat than most nightblade builds. Nightblade tanks are the exception to the rule, but they are nothing compared to DK or Templar tanks in PVP. Sorc shields stacking is currently very difficult to get through in order to reach their actual health pool unless you have 20 other people to help you. Magicka nightblade and sorc will be on more even ground as top solo PVP builds after the patch.

DK has a gap closer. Its called Fiery Grip.

The gap between the 4 classes in PVP is only from the solo PVP side. In group PVP, DKs and Templars have much better group utility and buffs, which give their group advantages.

And I love how you argue about stamina nightblade and their skills being op when there is documentation from ZoS showing those builds and skills are getting nerfed in the upcoming patch, but you're happy to point out a single upcoming nerf to a single Templar skill and a single Sorcerer skill.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

Vampire speed bonus will become a useless skill for magicka nightblades in the upcoming patch because Concealed Weapon will offer the best speed bonus and it doesn't stack with Vampire speed bonus or gear speed bonus (I forget the name of the set that offers it).

leepalmer95

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

After spending all year round working on 10k word essays, sry i don't try hard to be a grammer robot on a game forum.

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Remember this post? LOL

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YlraeEnyawMit wrote: »

yeah lets just nerf em all DK SORC NB TEMP WW VAMP all abilities skills attacks do 0 no matter. then we all be even. psssh. or learn to get around the problems your encountering when you get owned by nightblades lol 1v1 more than likely. better yet go research and study about making the best role/class your trying to acheive and stop crying on the forums

Oh someone telling me to l2p when he hasn't heard of basic grammer?

Let me guess you main a nb? Or you know we could adjust certain abilities to make the game more balanced.

Despite cyrodiils being full of nb's and sorc i don't want to run a anti nb build because:

1. I shouldn't have to specifically counter that class in order to have a chance.
2. Believe it or not there are 4 classes in this game, despite 2 of them not on the same level in pvp as the other two
3. The best counter to a nb is a nb, but sneaking around, ganking and spending 75% of a fight dodge rolling or being cloaked isn't my playstyle and in order to be able to deal with people doing exactly that i shouldn't have to.

And it's spelled grammar*.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

I actually think sorcerers are op intead of nb..

I know eso pvp isn't about 1v1, there is no duel, no arenas etc etc but if you duel with other classes, at the end, you will see only shield stacking magicka sorcerers and defensive DK's. You are saying sypher has nb that kills DC Group but I see him mostly using weapons skills and spamming dodge rolling which is going to be NERFED SO BAD!

Also Sypher has video that he kills DC Group with his sorcerer and he is using CLASS SKILLS there. Also some skills like Detonation, and Sorcerer's finisher which both going to be DAMAGE BUFFED!

Sorcerers are op at this time and they are going to be more buffed and nb's are going to be nerfed. I know its not only nerf to nightblade its about stamina builds but stamina nightblades doesn't have shields, heals etc like other class. it has some heals but they are not effective and really bad in pvp. I'm pretty sure people (especially sorcerers) are going to cry that nightblades are op again. Even if they can 1 shot most nightblades they will still cry.

Detonation - a skill everyone uses

Sorc finisher, mages fury - proc's when target is at 20% hp, with or without that insane 10% more dmg buff thats getting added to it, at 20% they'll die to it either way.

Sorc have a shield, nb has a cloak, nb can avoid dmg altogether by going invisible while sorc have to repeatedly cast hardened ward.

Also in syphers vid, he uses nb ult, cloak, making full use of those 30% stam regen passive... etc... he uses teleport strike and ambush on people or did you not see them?

Why do people keep saying sorc are op as a counter to nbs being op?

1.6 is pretty much:

4. Templar - worst in pvp, only decent dps in punturing and radiant, both of which are easy to counter and radiant is getting nerfed next patch... poor guys.

3. Dk - no class execute, no class gap closer, no class mobility, just a bit better than templars because of ok cc with reflect scales + class heal.

A huge gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2.

2. Sorc - They have A (1.) class shield, hardened ward that stop physical + magic dmg. Good mobility using Be (next patch they can't teleport half of cyrodiil, which is great) , frags is decent dps if you actually hit with it, class execute (20% hp).

1. Nb's Instant cloak, high mobility because of it, great defensive skill. Highest dmging gap closer which is a class skill, best class passive in the game (pure 30% stamina regen increase) , cheapest ult in the game (50...) best cc ability in the game ( 4 effects + unblockable) highest dmging class overall.

Nightblades have to repeatedly cast cloak if they want to HOPE to stay in cloak as it stands right now. So they burn magicka just like sorcs do, if not worse than them when trying to escape.

Sypher was using Ambush, which is a morph of Teleporting Strike. Its not possible to use both of these skills.

And people keep saying that sorc is op because it is easily harder to beat than most nightblade builds. Nightblade tanks are the exception to the rule, but they are nothing compared to DK or Templar tanks in PVP. Sorc shields stacking is currently very difficult to get through in order to reach their actual health pool unless you have 20 other people to help you. Magicka nightblade and sorc will be on more even ground as top solo PVP builds after the patch.

DK has a gap closer. Its called Fiery Grip.

The gap between the 4 classes in PVP is only from the solo PVP side. In group PVP, DKs and Templars have much better group utility and buffs, which give their group advantages.

And I love how you argue about stamina nightblade and their skills being op when there is documentation from ZoS showing those builds and skills are getting nerfed in the upcoming patch, but you're happy to point out a single upcoming nerf to a single Templar skill and a single Sorcerer skill.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

Vampire speed bonus will become a useless skill for magicka nightblades in the upcoming patch because Concealed Weapon will offer the best speed bonus and it doesn't stack with Vampire speed bonus or gear speed bonus (I forget the name of the set that offers it).

With enough sustain nb's can infinite cast cloak, fiery grip doesn't do even close the dmg ambush, it;s also unreliable because sometimes it can pull you to them or them to you depending if their immune at the time, also ambush stuns.

if your a physical build sorc aren't hard to beat, nb;s are harder because infinite cloak is just annoying, nb's will literally shoot once and cloak, shoot then cloak. Now i could try and find them but i doubtfully will, i could use caltraps but that requires an insane amount of stamina to use only for them to dodge roll out and cloak..? I could be mid hitting them and they'll cloak.

Nb's avoid dmg altogether with cloak hence why they don't need to heals or shields.

Leandor

The LOL is getting stronger each post.

bowmanz607

Leandor wrote: »

The LOL is getting stronger each post.

For real.

Reeko

I gave up long ago but keep comming back lol

WyldfireWyrm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

mcurley wrote: »

First and foremost.... the OP's English teacher failed miserably. Here are some words for you to look up: their, there, they're, your, and you're. That's just a start. Punctuation is definitely something you should work on as well.

Next.. please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

After spending all year round working on 10k word essays, sry i don't try hard to be a grammer robot on a game forum.

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Remember this post? LOL

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YlraeEnyawMit wrote: »

yeah lets just nerf em all DK SORC NB TEMP WW VAMP all abilities skills attacks do 0 no matter. then we all be even. psssh. or learn to get around the problems your encountering when you get owned by nightblades lol 1v1 more than likely. better yet go research and study about making the best role/class your trying to acheive and stop crying on the forums

Oh someone telling me to l2p when he hasn't heard of basic grammer?

Let me guess you main a nb? Or you know we could adjust certain abilities to make the game more balanced.

Despite cyrodiils being full of nb's and sorc i don't want to run a anti nb build because:

1. I shouldn't have to specifically counter that class in order to have a chance.
2. Believe it or not there are 4 classes in this game, despite 2 of them not on the same level in pvp as the other two
3. The best counter to a nb is a nb, but sneaking around, ganking and spending 75% of a fight dodge rolling or being cloaked isn't my playstyle and in order to be able to deal with people doing exactly that i shouldn't have to.

And it's spelled grammar*.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

I actually think sorcerers are op intead of nb..

I know eso pvp isn't about 1v1, there is no duel, no arenas etc etc but if you duel with other classes, at the end, you will see only shield stacking magicka sorcerers and defensive DK's. You are saying sypher has nb that kills DC Group but I see him mostly using weapons skills and spamming dodge rolling which is going to be NERFED SO BAD!

Also Sypher has video that he kills DC Group with his sorcerer and he is using CLASS SKILLS there. Also some skills like Detonation, and Sorcerer's finisher which both going to be DAMAGE BUFFED!

Sorcerers are op at this time and they are going to be more buffed and nb's are going to be nerfed. I know its not only nerf to nightblade its about stamina builds but stamina nightblades doesn't have shields, heals etc like other class. it has some heals but they are not effective and really bad in pvp. I'm pretty sure people (especially sorcerers) are going to cry that nightblades are op again. Even if they can 1 shot most nightblades they will still cry.

Detonation - a skill everyone uses

Sorc finisher, mages fury - proc's when target is at 20% hp, with or without that insane 10% more dmg buff thats getting added to it, at 20% they'll die to it either way.

Sorc have a shield, nb has a cloak, nb can avoid dmg altogether by going invisible while sorc have to repeatedly cast hardened ward.

Also in syphers vid, he uses nb ult, cloak, making full use of those 30% stam regen passive... etc... he uses teleport strike and ambush on people or did you not see them?

Why do people keep saying sorc are op as a counter to nbs being op?

1.6 is pretty much:

4. Templar - worst in pvp, only decent dps in punturing and radiant, both of which are easy to counter and radiant is getting nerfed next patch... poor guys.

3. Dk - no class execute, no class gap closer, no class mobility, just a bit better than templars because of ok cc with reflect scales + class heal.

A huge gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2.

2. Sorc - They have A (1.) class shield, hardened ward that stop physical + magic dmg. Good mobility using Be (next patch they can't teleport half of cyrodiil, which is great) , frags is decent dps if you actually hit with it, class execute (20% hp).

1. Nb's Instant cloak, high mobility because of it, great defensive skill. Highest dmging gap closer which is a class skill, best class passive in the game (pure 30% stamina regen increase) , cheapest ult in the game (50...) best cc ability in the game ( 4 effects + unblockable) highest dmging class overall.

Nightblades have to repeatedly cast cloak if they want to HOPE to stay in cloak as it stands right now. So they burn magicka just like sorcs do, if not worse than them when trying to escape.

Sypher was using Ambush, which is a morph of Teleporting Strike. Its not possible to use both of these skills.

And people keep saying that sorc is op because it is easily harder to beat than most nightblade builds. Nightblade tanks are the exception to the rule, but they are nothing compared to DK or Templar tanks in PVP. Sorc shields stacking is currently very difficult to get through in order to reach their actual health pool unless you have 20 other people to help you. Magicka nightblade and sorc will be on more even ground as top solo PVP builds after the patch.

DK has a gap closer. Its called Fiery Grip.

The gap between the 4 classes in PVP is only from the solo PVP side. In group PVP, DKs and Templars have much better group utility and buffs, which give their group advantages.

And I love how you argue about stamina nightblade and their skills being op when there is documentation from ZoS showing those builds and skills are getting nerfed in the upcoming patch, but you're happy to point out a single upcoming nerf to a single Templar skill and a single Sorcerer skill.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Cloak is best mobility skil?? Tell me you are kidding.... Detect potions, aoe skills... you cat run away if people know you are there. But sorcerers can always zap away and stuns you or deals around 3-4k damage.

4k streaks huh... syphers glass cannon max spell power build only got 3700 and that was with 300+ cps ?

BE/streak is easy to counter with gap closer considering is travels 15m and gap closers are normally 22 at least.

You can run easy, just don't be obvious and run in a straight line, if your a vamp nb you can travel so fast, constant cloaking isn't hard for magicka nb's, stamina ones just roll dodge with a bow and then sprint for insane speed. Then cloak once there not actually next to people

Dk's and templars just die.. because they can't escape.

Vampire speed bonus will become a useless skill for magicka nightblades in the upcoming patch because Concealed Weapon will offer the best speed bonus and it doesn't stack with Vampire speed bonus or gear speed bonus (I forget the name of the set that offers it).

With enough sustain nb's can infinite cast cloak, fiery grip doesn't do even close the dmg ambush, it;s also unreliable because sometimes it can pull you to them or them to you depending if their immune at the time, also ambush stuns.

if your a physical build sorc aren't hard to beat, nb;s are harder because infinite cloak is just annoying, nb's will literally shoot once and cloak, shoot then cloak. Now i could try and find them but i doubtfully will, i could use caltraps but that requires an insane amount of stamina to use only for them to dodge roll out and cloak..? I could be mid hitting them and they'll cloak.

Nb's avoid dmg altogether with cloak hence why they don't need to heals or shields.

Wow. So many contradictions.

Only magicka nightblades can spam cloak and they aren't threatening at all right now unless their target has no idea how to play their class. And a stamina nightblade casting cloak twice in a 10 second period is not spamming.

And you said DKs don't have a gap closer, so whether Fiery Grip takes you to them or brings them to you, it is closing the gap between you and your target. I'm pretty sure that makes it a gap closing skill. And I never said anything about the damage of Fiery Grip in comparison to a Nightblade gap closer.

No one said stamina sorcs weren't hard to beat. Everyone knows that is true, so why state the obvious?

Cloak is currently glitchy as hell, so if you can't seem to break a Nightblade out of cloak now, you're definitely screwed when the fix hits, but not many people have the "special" problem of dealing with cloak as it currently stands. Only magicka nightblades can afford to cloak after every attack and since magicka can't burst nearly as well as stamina nightblades, this point makes no sense.

Your argument hinges on the cloak ability, which stamina builds can't spam and magicka nightblades aren't getting anywhere close to the 12-14k damages you're talking about with their class skills even with the stealth damage boost with their ability to spam cloak.

So pick a type to argue against and stop interchanging their skills because you're not making any sense.

QuebraRegra

imredneckson wrote: »

Please don't nerf my NB . I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK

school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?

iliatha

QuebraRegra wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Please don't nerf my NB . I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK

school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?

duel wield, stack spelldmg, get 20% spelldmg buff, cast relentless focus, done ^^

Jbugz97

kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Please don't nerf my NB . I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK

school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?

duel wield, stack spelldmg, get 20% spelldmg buff, cast relentless focus, done ^^

i have never hit 17k proxi as magika NB and dont believe i ever got hit like that

leepalmer95

kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Please don't nerf my NB . I love playing as a magicka NB being able to crit a group with a 17k-20k proxy is great not to mention being able to heal yourself and allies. Truthfully I prefer NB over DK

school me... How do you get a 17-20k proxy det off a magicka NB?

duel wield, stack spelldmg, get 20% spelldmg buff, cast relentless focus, done ^^

mage guild passive?