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Decimus - Stamina Nightblade PvP #7
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AllPlayAndNoWork✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself. Apparently @DDuke's instant killing is bad while Dawnbreaker's (bugged) instant killing is good.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Except for Dawnbreaker, right?Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow
BUT
I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!
Get back in your "everything what kills me is a exploit thread" . thanks
At least @DDuke isn't bugged.
And don't forget the sharpened hammer bug that wont be fixed til next update (even though console vers has been).0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭@Erock25 I would like to have a source about this detect pot change.
ESO Live, last month I think. It was the same episode in which they announced changes to Concealed Weapon and Flame Whip going through dodge. It's the main reason why for the past 2 months, I have been using Radiant Magelight instead of detection potions (Another smaller reason is my constant gold issues), to learn how to properly use it to find and hunt stealthed enemies. And I must say, Radiant Magelight has saved me more times than I care to admit.
I'm sure people like @Master_Kas and @Knootewoot can testify to the effectiveness of me using this skill on them
Dean the Cat
Somewhat Insane Puddicat
EU-PC Megaserver; Ebonheart Pact, Alliance Rank 34
This one hails from far Singapore, excuse this one for his high pings. He also apologizes for any formatting/spelling errors, as he tends to answer using a mobile device.
Insanity is the price of Knowledge. Herma-Mora and Sheogorath, this one bows before thee.
This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »I have been a magicka NB since the start of the game - if flying blade gets the uber buff that is coming (major brutality) and it gets thru the PTS (peeps already hitting for 10k + with it atm) and only being able to use teleport strike atm as lotus fan is complete dross then I may have to change to a stam NB for the 1st time, which will be quite sad really.
It just replaces the use of potions or momentum. Right now you're kinda forced to run two handed to run Dw as well, soon this is no longer the case.
Overall it won't get stronger dmg wise since everyone is already using something to get the major buff.
Seriously what does it matter if he uses momentum for a heal and gains the major buff and then uses flying blade or he just use flying blade in the begin..R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
Member of the Arena Guild and the overpowered Banana Squad.
Nathaerizh aka Cat - Nightblade V16 - EU
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »@Erock25 I would like to have a source about this detect pot change.
ESO Live, last month I think. It was the same episode in which they announced changes to Concealed Weapon and Flame Whip going through dodge. It's the main reason why for the past 2 months, I have been using Radiant Magelight instead of detection potions (Another smaller reason is my constant gold issues), to learn how to properly use it to find and hunt stealthed enemies. And I must say, Radiant Magelight has saved me more times than I care to admit.
I'm sure people like @Master_Kas and @Knootewoot can testify to the effectiveness of me using this skill on them
Yes i can. And also I use this skill and it saved me many times as wel
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭On the video: OP claims that his build isn't a gank build but posts a gank highlight video. I saw no sustain on display.
Out of curiosity (so I know which kind of content people would like to see in the future), what constitutes as a "gank highlight"?
2:20, what makes this a "gank", and how could I make it not be a "gank"? And how about 4:00?
Thank you for the feedback, I'm sure you'll enjoy the upcoming duels video more 0 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »DeanTheCat wrote: »@Erock25 I would like to have a source about this detect pot change.
ESO Live, last month I think. It was the same episode in which they announced changes to Concealed Weapon and Flame Whip going through dodge. It's the main reason why for the past 2 months, I have been using Radiant Magelight instead of detection potions (Another smaller reason is my constant gold issues), to learn how to properly use it to find and hunt stealthed enemies. And I must say, Radiant Magelight has saved me more times than I care to admit.
I'm sure people like @Master_Kas and @Knootewoot can testify to the effectiveness of me using this skill on them
Yes i can. And also I use this skill and it saved me many times as wel
Yes its very effective and I most often have it on atleast one of My bar. People saying its not effective don't know what they are Talking about. EU | PC1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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You must be new to these forums. With the exception of dueling videos from very few players, basically every single gameplay video posted here is from someone beating the crap out of a bunch of newbies.Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow
BUT
I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!
I guess you can hate this playstyle... but let's be honest here... he put up a video of him beating down god awful players. They have the reaction time of slugs, they rarely use appropriate counters to a stealth NB, ultimates aren't dropped. I mean this guy here is moving in stealth, while detected, while using food. His concept of resource management is at best lacking. I know this comes as me being a negative nancy here but let's not celebrate beating up on bad players. Go wreck some top-shelf DK's or a strong healer/dps/tank dps combo here before we start calling for the end of NB's. He wrecked players with the skill level of pve'rs, nothing more.
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Cyrediath✭✭✭All pvp videos like this are just v14 people killing level 30 people in a group. Nicejob. We want a real pvp, we want a duel!!0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
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This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.
What is Cloak?
Currently cloak is easily countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and detect pots. Considering Cloak is "invisibility", even post update it should be on the level with invis potions. Both are the same effect unless they change cloak to something other than invisibility. That said, any class in the game has access to an on the spot vanish. Both of which are countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and maybe Flare (wait for notes on whether Flare will work).
I honestly don't see what the fuss is over. Radiant Magelight is available to anyone, pops people out of stealth, makes sneak attacks do half damage, removes the stun completely (which screws over NBs concealed weapon stun from cloak) and even works on behalf of those near you.
A couple of things. Detect pots are not going to work on cloak in the next update. All the NB scream RADIANT MAGELIGHT but that thing has a terrible radius and only works against the offensive portion of cloak instead of the escape portion. Bringing up piercing mark is like me saying don't nerf bolt escape because of bolt escape ... do you see the problem with that? Flare is god awful slow and 100% useless. You are honestly comparing Cloak with Invis Pots? You know pots have a cooldown, right?
Regarding detect potions, so what? A potion that damn near rendered a core ability useless should be redesigned. I can't tell you the last time a NB gave me the slip.
Ok first off, I main a Sorc. I use RML and I have 0 issue with it. The radius is fine and I pull people out of stealth CONSTANTLY. Do you just stand still in PvP and let people initiate on you?
Secondly, even in the upcoming patch, AOE will still break Dark Cloak. Last I knew, you are a Sorc. Please tell me you are smart enough to use Boundless Storm. Are you not aware that you will uncloak a NB with this?
You also have:
Lightning Splash, Streak, Mines, (maybe Encase/Overload/Caltrops depending on patch), Steel Tornado, Volley, Arrow Spray, Wall of Elements, Impulse, Dawnbreaker, Proximity Detonation, Bat Swarm, Turn Undead (if they are Vamp/WW), Necrotic Orb... etc. Of course things are subject to change with time. Seems like an awful lot of tools at your disposal to use against Cloak.
Yes I am comparing Shadow Cloak to Invis Pots. You are aware they are the same thing? When you chug an invis pot (assuming you make use of these amazing potions) do you stand still on the tile you chugged it? Or do you use the Invis pots that give major expedition and haul ass? Seriously man, you are whining about nothing and not thinking clearly. Granted the potions have a cd and cloak doesn't, potions last a hell of a lot longer than Cloak does. You are comparing a few seconds (2-4 cloak) to over 15 (potion).
Regarding Flare... it's hardly useless and it's spammed like crazy for a reason.You all can leave it at this and not ruin DDuke's topic. Everyone sees what is coming with the update and IC gameplay and unless ZOS sees it too, NB will see the nerf chopping block soon.
You mean let you whine about something you either don't fully understand or are deliberately trying to deceive others into believing and have the last word? No thanks. As I stated above, there are plenty of ways to counter a NB and cloak, it's nobodies fault but yours if you decide to play poorly.
Dude, we get it. You enjoy playing your NB while it's in the top tier. But don't insult us saying you can't remember the last time a NB successfully escaped from you or that necrotic orb is a counter to stealth NBs.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
Yonkit✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »You must be new to these forums. With the exception of dueling videos from very few players, basically every single gameplay video posted here is from someone beating the crap out of a bunch of newbies.
Nope... not new here at all. As per my usual self though, I'm not going to continually praise the triumph of mediocrity over bad.Has an Alter Ego in the form of a very large quadrupedal black & white Bear.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.
What is Cloak?
Currently cloak is easily countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and detect pots. Considering Cloak is "invisibility", even post update it should be on the level with invis potions. Both are the same effect unless they change cloak to something other than invisibility. That said, any class in the game has access to an on the spot vanish. Both of which are countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and maybe Flare (wait for notes on whether Flare will work).
I honestly don't see what the fuss is over. Radiant Magelight is available to anyone, pops people out of stealth, makes sneak attacks do half damage, removes the stun completely (which screws over NBs concealed weapon stun from cloak) and even works on behalf of those near you.
A couple of things. Detect pots are not going to work on cloak in the next update. All the NB scream RADIANT MAGELIGHT but that thing has a terrible radius and only works against the offensive portion of cloak instead of the escape portion. Bringing up piercing mark is like me saying don't nerf bolt escape because of bolt escape ... do you see the problem with that? Flare is god awful slow and 100% useless. You are honestly comparing Cloak with Invis Pots? You know pots have a cooldown, right?
Regarding detect potions, so what? A potion that damn near rendered a core ability useless should be redesigned. I can't tell you the last time a NB gave me the slip.
Ok first off, I main a Sorc. I use RML and I have 0 issue with it. The radius is fine and I pull people out of stealth CONSTANTLY. Do you just stand still in PvP and let people initiate on you?
Secondly, even in the upcoming patch, AOE will still break Dark Cloak. Last I knew, you are a Sorc. Please tell me you are smart enough to use Boundless Storm. Are you not aware that you will uncloak a NB with this?
You also have:
Lightning Splash, Streak, Mines, (maybe Encase/Overload/Caltrops depending on patch), Steel Tornado, Volley, Arrow Spray, Wall of Elements, Impulse, Dawnbreaker, Proximity Detonation, Bat Swarm, Turn Undead (if they are Vamp/WW), Necrotic Orb... etc. Of course things are subject to change with time. Seems like an awful lot of tools at your disposal to use against Cloak.
Yes I am comparing Shadow Cloak to Invis Pots. You are aware they are the same thing? When you chug an invis pot (assuming you make use of these amazing potions) do you stand still on the tile you chugged it? Or do you use the Invis pots that give major expedition and haul ass? Seriously man, you are whining about nothing and not thinking clearly. Granted the potions have a cd and cloak doesn't, potions last a hell of a lot longer than Cloak does. You are comparing a few seconds (2-4 cloak) to over 15 (potion).
Regarding Flare... it's hardly useless and it's spammed like crazy for a reason.You all can leave it at this and not ruin DDuke's topic. Everyone sees what is coming with the update and IC gameplay and unless ZOS sees it too, NB will see the nerf chopping block soon.
You mean let you whine about something you either don't fully understand or are deliberately trying to deceive others into believing and have the last word? No thanks. As I stated above, there are plenty of ways to counter a NB and cloak, it's nobodies fault but yours if you decide to play poorly.
Dude, we get it. You enjoy playing your NB while it's in the top tier. But don't insult us saying you can't remember the last time a NB successfully escaped from you or that necrotic orb is a counter to stealth NBs.
I main a Sorcerer. If you are going to respond to what I wrote it would wise to read and understand what is said before you stink the place up. Radiant Magelight works all the time.I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.
What is Cloak?
Currently cloak is easily countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and detect pots. Considering Cloak is "invisibility", even post update it should be on the level with invis potions. Both are the same effect unless they change cloak to something other than invisibility. That said, any class in the game has access to an on the spot vanish. Both of which are countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and maybe Flare (wait for notes on whether Flare will work).
I honestly don't see what the fuss is over. Radiant Magelight is available to anyone, pops people out of stealth, makes sneak attacks do half damage, removes the stun completely (which screws over NBs concealed weapon stun from cloak) and even works on behalf of those near you.
A couple of things. Detect pots are not going to work on cloak in the next update. All the NB scream RADIANT MAGELIGHT but that thing has a terrible radius and only works against the offensive portion of cloak instead of the escape portion. Bringing up piercing mark is like me saying don't nerf bolt escape because of bolt escape ... do you see the problem with that? Flare is god awful slow and 100% useless. You are honestly comparing Cloak with Invis Pots? You know pots have a cooldown, right?
Regarding detect potions, so what? A potion that damn near rendered a core ability useless should be redesigned. I can't tell you the last time a NB gave me the slip.
Ok first off, I main a Sorc. I use RML and I have 0 issue with it. The radius is fine and I pull people out of stealth CONSTANTLY. Do you just stand still in PvP and let people initiate on you?
Secondly, even in the upcoming patch, AOE will still break Dark Cloak. Last I knew, you are a Sorc. Please tell me you are smart enough to use Boundless Storm. Are you not aware that you will uncloak a NB with this?
You also have:
Lightning Splash, Streak, Mines, (maybe Encase/Overload/Caltrops depending on patch), Steel Tornado, Volley, Arrow Spray, Wall of Elements, Impulse, Dawnbreaker, Proximity Detonation, Bat Swarm, Turn Undead (if they are Vamp/WW), Necrotic Orb... etc. Of course things are subject to change with time. Seems like an awful lot of tools at your disposal to use against Cloak.
Yes I am comparing Shadow Cloak to Invis Pots. You are aware they are the same thing? When you chug an invis pot (assuming you make use of these amazing potions) do you stand still on the tile you chugged it? Or do you use the Invis pots that give major expedition and haul ass? Seriously man, you are whining about nothing and not thinking clearly. Granted the potions have a cd and cloak doesn't, potions last a hell of a lot longer than Cloak does. You are comparing a few seconds (2-4 cloak) to over 15 (potion).
Regarding Flare... it's hardly useless and it's spammed like crazy for a reason.You all can leave it at this and not ruin DDuke's topic. Everyone sees what is coming with the update and IC gameplay and unless ZOS sees it too, NB will see the nerf chopping block soon.
You mean let you whine about something you either don't fully understand or are deliberately trying to deceive others into believing and have the last word? No thanks. As I stated above, there are plenty of ways to counter a NB and cloak, it's nobodies fault but yours if you decide to play poorly.
Dude, we get it. You enjoy playing your NB while it's in the top tier. But don't insult us saying you can't remember the last time a NB successfully escaped from you or that necrotic orb is a counter to stealth NBs.
I main a Sorcerer. If you are going to respond to what I wrote it would wise to read and understand what is said before you stink the place up. Radiant Magelight works all the time.
It doesn't matter what your "main" is (nice, the other OP class from 1.6). In every post that comes up on the topic, you prefer to sprout hyperbole as opposed to actually engage in perspectives that you do not agree with. The last time you logged into Cyrodiil, NBs used cloak and got away from you (or killed you) and necrotic orb is not a legitimate counter to stealth.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »
This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.
What is Cloak?
Currently cloak is easily countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and detect pots. Considering Cloak is "invisibility", even post update it should be on the level with invis potions. Both are the same effect unless they change cloak to something other than invisibility. That said, any class in the game has access to an on the spot vanish. Both of which are countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and maybe Flare (wait for notes on whether Flare will work).
I honestly don't see what the fuss is over. Radiant Magelight is available to anyone, pops people out of stealth, makes sneak attacks do half damage, removes the stun completely (which screws over NBs concealed weapon stun from cloak) and even works on behalf of those near you.
A couple of things. Detect pots are not going to work on cloak in the next update. All the NB scream RADIANT MAGELIGHT but that thing has a terrible radius and only works against the offensive portion of cloak instead of the escape portion. Bringing up piercing mark is like me saying don't nerf bolt escape because of bolt escape ... do you see the problem with that? Flare is god awful slow and 100% useless. You are honestly comparing Cloak with Invis Pots? You know pots have a cooldown, right?
Regarding detect potions, so what? A potion that damn near rendered a core ability useless should be redesigned. I can't tell you the last time a NB gave me the slip.
Ok first off, I main a Sorc. I use RML and I have 0 issue with it. The radius is fine and I pull people out of stealth CONSTANTLY. Do you just stand still in PvP and let people initiate on you?
Secondly, even in the upcoming patch, AOE will still break Dark Cloak. Last I knew, you are a Sorc. Please tell me you are smart enough to use Boundless Storm. Are you not aware that you will uncloak a NB with this?
You also have:
Lightning Splash, Streak, Mines, (maybe Encase/Overload/Caltrops depending on patch), Steel Tornado, Volley, Arrow Spray, Wall of Elements, Impulse, Dawnbreaker, Proximity Detonation, Bat Swarm, Turn Undead (if they are Vamp/WW), Necrotic Orb... etc. Of course things are subject to change with time. Seems like an awful lot of tools at your disposal to use against Cloak.
Yes I am comparing Shadow Cloak to Invis Pots. You are aware they are the same thing? When you chug an invis pot (assuming you make use of these amazing potions) do you stand still on the tile you chugged it? Or do you use the Invis pots that give major expedition and haul ass? Seriously man, you are whining about nothing and not thinking clearly. Granted the potions have a cd and cloak doesn't, potions last a hell of a lot longer than Cloak does. You are comparing a few seconds (2-4 cloak) to over 15 (potion).
Regarding Flare... it's hardly useless and it's spammed like crazy for a reason.You all can leave it at this and not ruin DDuke's topic. Everyone sees what is coming with the update and IC gameplay and unless ZOS sees it too, NB will see the nerf chopping block soon.
You mean let you whine about something you either don't fully understand or are deliberately trying to deceive others into believing and have the last word? No thanks. As I stated above, there are plenty of ways to counter a NB and cloak, it's nobodies fault but yours if you decide to play poorly.
Dude, we get it. You enjoy playing your NB while it's in the top tier. But don't insult us saying you can't remember the last time a NB successfully escaped from you or that necrotic orb is a counter to stealth NBs.
I main a Sorcerer. If you are going to respond to what I wrote it would wise to read and understand what is said before you stink the place up. Radiant Magelight works all the time.
It doesn't matter what your "main" is (nice, the other OP class from 1.6). In every post that comes up on the topic, you prefer to sprout hyperbole as opposed to actually engage in perspectives that you do not agree with. The last time you logged into Cyrodiil, NBs used cloak and got away from you (or killed you) and necrotic orb is not a legitimate counter to stealth.
Nightblades don't get away from me. They did not get away from me last night, the night before it, the night before that etc.
Spout hyperbole? How about you learn how the game works? Engage in what "perspectives?" Whining predicated on the falsehood that you can't break Cloak or see it in 1.7? People telling me RML doesn't work well enough even though there are tons of people who say otherwise and offer video proof? When did I say anything outside of RML is a legitimate non situational counter to Cloak? The 15+ things I mentioned to the guy arguing with me? Those are all situational, I even said such. Again, up your reading comprehension before you shoot your mouth off.
RML is an excellent ability and will continue to be such provided it doesn't get nerfed in the upcoming patch.I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »You must be new to these forums. With the exception of dueling videos from very few players, basically every single gameplay video posted here is from someone beating the crap out of a bunch of newbies.
Nope... not new here at all. As per my usual self though, I'm not going to continually praise the triumph of mediocrity over bad.
This is the second comment where you insult the players on my video.
I don't mind criticism directed at me, if anything it helps me improve (when it is constructive).
But insulting people because they happen to be in one of my videos is low & calling them bad doesn't tell the whole story.
Good players make mistakes, bad players make more mistakes. Sometimes stars align and multiple good players make mistakes & I happen to get it on video, sometimes they stand no chance because of broken game mechanics & non-existent TTK.
Multiple people you tout as "baddies" or "PvE players" have killed me as well.
It isn't as black & white as you'd like to think.
So please keep in mind that these videos are for entertainment purposes, not for speculating about the "skill" of those involved in it. Thank you.Edited by DDuke on July 25, 2015 4:58PM5 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭I would actually enjoy and respect far more a video where the player actually plays the fair game instead of using sharpened maces and he is with nirnhorned up to the neck. And don't give me the "all people do that".
I remember a DC NB player that took immediately off his legendary sharpened mace and replaced it with an epic dagger (he didn't have the money to upgrade it) the moment I told him it was bugged. He was gone from the game for a month so he didn't know about the bug. I am sorry friend, I cannot remember your name but all respect to you.
This video demonstrates nothing and certainly not how this game is "supposed" to work.
P.S Sorry I decided to make this post on your video Decimus....this goes for all videos around here with about the same mentality on using bugs/exploits.0
