Decimus - Stamina Nightblade PvP #7

DDuke

Hi everyone,

I'm excited to release my 7th PvP video, all comments/feedback are much appreciated

https://youtu.be/f9apIfV15uE

Enjoy.

Waylander

Really good vid mate.

Good production quality and showcasing the stealth assassin style play (without bow gank).

Stam NB is in a really good place atm.

Master_Kas

Awsome stuff Decimus! One of few nightblades I dislike going up against xD

*cough* flying blade 10.5k out of stealth *cough*

Iyas

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

Bashev

@DDuke
Good video and great skills. Now I got it why you want the block nerf so much. You gonna kill all targets relatedly easy even if they block then you can drain their resources fast enough to kill them. As a skillful NB combination between rolldodge and cloack will be the new OP meta.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

I couldnt agree more

Soris

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

What he said.
Really good build though, but I just dont like things like this in mmos.

Erock25

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

DDuke

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

This is one of the two viable ways of playing a rogue/assassin type character in this game, the other being the more popular rollerblade with infinite resources. Both come with their strengths & weaknesses.

I do agree with you that time to kill is far too low in this game, and I do sincerely hope next patch addresses that appropiately (without making damage focused builds unviable).

I'm also happy about the roll dodge change, even though it will certainly make resource management more tricky (which it already is) for this particular build.

Also let me clarify: this build is much more than a "gank build".
It is very strong in duels (which will probably be the focus of my next video) as well as out of stealth combat, though it requires a vastly different playstyle than the usual rollerblade for both.


I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

OdinForge

Decimus vs ZERGBAD

Make it happen

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

* agree

earth_angel

Nice video.

I will have to check your other videos to see if you have videos in a caves or on bridge. I met you in one cave with my templar and you found a way to go on a rock that seemed far too high to me.

I also wonder what your build is. Hitting for 13K with surprise attacks out of stealth is crazy strong.

DDuke

earth_angel wrote: »

Nice video.

I will have to check your other videos to see if you have videos in a caves or on bridge. I met you in one cave with my templar and you found a way to go on a rock that seemed far too high to me.

I also wonder what your build is. Hitting for 13K with surprise attacks out of stealth is crazy strong.

Hey, glad you enjoyed the video!

I have some cave fights in my 6th video, though not many (I'm not recording most of the time).

I will make a build video for my DW/DW setup as well, though it is almost the same as the bow one gear wise (for which I have a video here), only exception being 2x DW instead of Bow/DW.

Here are the skills I'm using for DW/DW: http://tinyurl.com/pojwnkz

Lava_Croft

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

Except for Dawnbreaker, right?

Iyas

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

Except for Dawnbreaker, right?

Get back in your "everything what kills me is a exploit thread" . thanks

Lava_Croft

Iyas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Nice intro, good quality and good gankplaystyle without bow

BUT

I hate everything about this playstyle. Its not a shooter with insta gibbing. Its a mmo and ppl need the chance to react to everything. Dead in <1sec should not be in any mmo. You should not rewarded with extra dmg and a stun out of stealth. And flying blade need a more visible animation!

Except for Dawnbreaker, right?

Get back in your "everything what kills me is a exploit thread" . thanks

Just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself. Apparently @DDuke's instant killing is bad while Dawnbreaker's (bugged) instant killing is good.

At least @DDuke isn't bugged.

pjwb16_ESO

Agreed, they should nerf Dawnbreaker to a point where it doesnt insta killa a Vampirre without Nirn (for 50k spell resi) cause next update nirn will be useless and then you dont have any chance to fight back (basically same reasons for snipe) - instagibbing just shouldnt be possible against good players

might be enough to just make the first DoT tick not coming instantly with the insta damage

Tankqull

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Agreed, they should nerf Dawnbreaker to a point where it doesnt insta killa a Vampirre without Nirn (for 50k spell resi) cause next update nirn will be useless and then you dont have any chance to fight back (basically same reasons for snipe) - instagibbing just shouldnt be possible against good players

might be enough to just make the first DoT tick not coming instantly with the insta damage

with the 50% dmg reduction it doesent onehit you anymore.

pjwb16_ESO

we will see

Gyudan

Nerf NB!

Bromburak

At least its a build that has a point when it comes to stamina diversity. (No rally or 2H clone)
But the cuts only show situations in a perfect world. The reality is that this is not a ressource friendly build and that the survival efficiency is questionable.

You can play it the "classic Assasin style" - stealth, kill fast, gtfo asap. Since there is a severe lack of heals and dodge is no solution in the future, it will be one of the builds that relies on cloak for a reason.

However thanks for sharing.

DDuke

Bromburak wrote: »

At least its a build that has a point when it comes to stamina diversity. (No rally or 2H clone)
But the cuts only show situations in a perfect world. The reality is that this is not a ressource friendly build and that the survival efficiency is questionable.

You can play it the "classic Assasin style" - stealth, kill fast, gtfo asap. Since there is a severe lack of heals and dodge is no solution in the future, it will be one of the builds that relies on cloak for a reason.

However thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the feedback

This is why I will release a dueling video next (no ETA however).

You'd be surprised (I sure was, when I took it to a duel spot) how well my build can sustain, atleast in 1v1.

The sustain basicly comes from higher efficiency of Vigor & Barrier (around 50% stronger than they'd be with stamina regen heavy builds) and heavy attacks. You don't need to block or dodge, since your Vigor & Barrier are able to mitigate 90% of the damage (with 3 Nirnhoned pieces).

Master_Kas

DDuke wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

At least its a build that has a point when it comes to stamina diversity. (No rally or 2H clone)
But the cuts only show situations in a perfect world. The reality is that this is not a ressource friendly build and that the survival efficiency is questionable.

You can play it the "classic Assasin style" - stealth, kill fast, gtfo asap. Since there is a severe lack of heals and dodge is no solution in the future, it will be one of the builds that relies on cloak for a reason.

However thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the feedback

This is why I will release a dueling video next (no ETA however).

You'd be surprised (I sure was, when I took it to a duel spot) how well my build can sustain, atleast in 1v1.

The sustain basicly comes from higher efficiency of Vigor & Barrier (around 50% stronger than they'd be with stamina regen heavy builds) and heavy attacks. You don't need to block or dodge, since your Vigor & Barrier are able to mitigate 90% of the damage (with 3 Nirnhoned pieces).

I want to see that duel video. Just don't dare to use our 1 second "fight" (when u slaughtered my dk) xD

Aquanova

How do you manage 27k health and 30k stamina? This issue perplexes me!

Soulac

Imperial, champion points and buff food.

Tankqull

Soulac wrote: »

Imperial, champion points and buff food.

and an emperor in your ally granting another 2-3k health.

Xael

Erock25 wrote: »

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

Quoted for brilliance because Radiant Magelight and detect pots have never worked... oh wait.

Master_Kas

Xael wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

Quoted for brilliance because Radiant Magelight and detect pots have never worked... oh wait.

People want to counter Cloak/Nbs without using any counters. Free kills in other words

Erock25

Xael wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

Quoted for brilliance because Radiant Magelight and detect pots have never worked... oh wait.

This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.

What is Cloak?

Bromburak

Erock25 wrote: »

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

And players like you sitting everywhere like "I'm not sure if I am able to learn how to compete like everyone else does, lets cry and hope they nerf the whole game so that everything is matching my Mickey mouse imagination".

Xael

Erock25 wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

But ZOS sitting here like, "I'm not so sure Cloak and NB are powerful enough."

Quoted for brilliance because Radiant Magelight and detect pots have never worked... oh wait.

This is the best escape in the game as well as the best offensive ability after the update removes Detect Pots ability to counter it.

What is Cloak?

Currently cloak is easily countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and detect pots. Considering Cloak is "invisibility", even post update it should be on the level with invis potions. Both are the same effect unless they change cloak to something other than invisibility. That said, any class in the game has access to an on the spot vanish. Both of which are countered by Radiant Magelight, Piercing Mark, and maybe Flare (wait for notes on whether Flare will work).

I honestly don't see what the fuss is over. Radiant Magelight is available to anyone, pops people out of stealth, makes sneak attacks do half damage, removes the stun completely (which screws over NBs concealed weapon stun from cloak) and even works on behalf of those near you.