rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

i still say all of the DLC should have been PvP only. no pve inside it.
TeaBagStones should have been dropped from PvPers only, not gained by doing PvE stuff, and you shouldnt get them from doing pve questlines and they should drop from pvp objectives.

instead we have PvE side armours (vr15 and vr16 grade) dropped inside a dungeon INSIDE the PvP area, which PvE people will need to get to move onto orsinium (you can bet your backside this will be true) because its likely going to be another couple of VR levels added when orsinium arrives.

while its true that there are PvP side armours, those are NOT what the PvE crowd are going there for (unless they also enjoy the PvP side in which case, those guys are fine) the gear the PvE folks need isnt the same as the stuff the PvPers buy.
and buying the mats from those who can get them is going to prohibitively expensive, no mater which way you paint it.

again. its not that PvPers are getting a DLC. its that there is stuff for PvEers, that they will NEED to get, for when Orsinium arrives (again, because you can bet your arse that you will need to have run those dungeons, or completed the questline in the imperial city..to be able to progress properly to the orsinium areas.)

word to the wise, devs.... make sure that if you add any PvP side stuff to orsinium...make it so you dont have to pve for any of it, or we will be back here again for round two of this. (ie, if you are going to add in say, an Arena or pvp 1x1 thru 4x4 ect, for the love of the divines, make sure you can just port directly to it the moment the server goes live after downloading the DLC/Patch)

PvP side armours will be paid for with Tel Var stones.
Tel Var stones will drop on PvP death as a PvP mechanic.

PvE armours will come from PvE dungeons or deconstructing gear and crafting new sets.
Will those armours and materials also drop on death as a PvP mechanic, or just the PvP currency?

Which of these drops is being asked to be changed?

rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

they need to make up there minds, one way or another, then we can all settle in and get to whatever it is we love to do. be it PvE, PvP, a mix of both or just sitting in a room roleplaying.

Bolded == Imperial City

UrQuan wrote: »

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

Before asking this question which has been discussed on numerous threads already was yourself this OP

What about if most of the DLC focused on PVE instead of PVP then you would have all the PVPers crying foul

This is EOS first major DLC and its rather disappointing that they would prefer to reward the PVP part of the game over the PVE and just to let you know I enjoy both parts of the game...

As I said in another thread EOS is focusing on what THEY think is making EOS a great game which is the PVP (highly debatable)

ESO's first major DLC was Craglorn. Then Upper Craglorn. In fact, every piece of content that's come out since launch has been PVE. The PVPers are long overdue for DLC that focuses on them.

First IT was free.

That's why I called it a Major DLC coming up....

and second it was a patch....

gman092803ub17_ESO wrote: »

The PVPers are long overdue for DLC that focuses on them.

That's just it, it doesn't just focus on PVPer's. Nor does it focus on PVE. Its a cheap way out. trying to please both groups, and,it's going to fail. PVPer's won't get what they want(still will be low pop PVP),and PVEer's won't get what they want for same reason. Really wish people would open their eye's and see this.

This I agree with. In trying to please both sides they will not please either. I for one will most def not be buying IC. I honestly dont know anyone who is interested in buying it. Of course my guild is strictly PVE but even the guys who do PVP are not interested in killing people who are ill-equipped to fight back. Thats not challenge thats just cheap. If it wasnt for player looting then maybe I might try it out because whats the worst that happens? I get killed over and over? At least I can get some stones tho. With the player looting thing there is simply no reason for people like me to buy the DLC.

A lot of these guys I talk to are really upset we were baited for 10 months that Orsinium was coming just now to wonder if we will see it at all this year. Most of us have stopped paying subs months ago because why pay ZOS when they obviously consider PVP the #1 priority and PVE is a step child. Going forward I have to ask myself if it might not be better just to cut my losses and move on. L:ots of people feel like me. Elder scrolls online was supposed to be an extention of the elder scrolls series. instead its turning into something far far different.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I for one will most def not be buying IC. I honestly dont know anyone who is interested in buying it. Of course my guild is strictly PVE but even the guys who do PVP are not interested in killing people who are ill-equipped to fight back. Thats not challenge thats just cheap. If it wasnt for player looting then maybe I might try it out because whats the worst that happens? I get killed over and over? At least I can get some stones tho. With the player looting thing there is simply no reason for people like me to buy the DLC.

...Going forward I have to ask myself if it might not be better just to cut my losses and move on. L:ots of people feel like me. Elder scrolls online was supposed to be an extention of the elder scrolls series. instead its turning into something far far different.

You don't know anyone who is interested in buying it?!
Everyone that's arguing with you mate! More people than those who won't buy it most likely. Just because you think one way and you think you're super-awesome doesn't mean you represent the majority!

And yes, cut your losses dude. Move the hell on, nobody cares that you don't like it.

'Lots of people feel like me.' ...yes, yes, keep telling yourself this. Sounds like a self-help affirmation.

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

Before asking this question which has been discussed on numerous threads already was yourself this OP

What about if most of the DLC focused on PVE instead of PVP then you would have all the PVPers crying foul

This is EOS first major DLC and its rather disappointing that they would prefer to reward the PVP part of the game over the PVE and just to let you know I enjoy both parts of the game...

As I said in another thread EOS is focusing on what THEY think is making EOS a great game which is the PVP (highly debatable)

ESO's first major DLC was Craglorn. Then Upper Craglorn. In fact, every piece of content that's come out since launch has been PVE. The PVPers are long overdue for DLC that focuses on them.

First IT was free.

That's why I called it a Major DLC coming up....

and second it was a patch....

No it wasn't. You got it included in your sub fee. That doesn't make it free.

this thread got silly, why would a pure pve player get upset their missing out on gettin pvp gear and pvp content? and in future please just make a new discussion for teabagging and its moral implications/hilarity values

if you dont wanna take part or get killed in pvp simply wait and buy gear from guild stores or w/e you not been forced to go there & they did need to add pve content into a essentially pvp patch and considering the massive leaning towards pve content so far is it really that bad that pvp players hardcore or casual are gettin a lil bone thrown their way

at very least you could even just give it a go you might like it and if u dont well dont go back but if ur in a pve guild and you all go in force and avoid enemy zergs you'll prolly have little to worry about so long as you minimise time in the pvp zones

markt84 wrote: »

Why are PvE players so upset PvP players are getting something

I do not believe PvE players are upset. Some might.

However given how BROKEN the PVP of this game is, until ZOS resolves the animation cancellation EXPLOIT and tone down the damage dealt in PvP by 80%, seems tad stupid to have effectively a loot penalty system in PvP.

Look for example Darkfall (both iterations). You do not rely on cheating (animation cancellation for example) nor you can one shoot an enemy player of your own skills/level. Hell, a balanced battle might take 5-10 minutes.

Something that was true with TESO in Beta and all way to last summer. Anyone who's here since then, remembers that even V2 vs V5 players could drag for some time, in 1 vs 1. Right now is just a frag fest. He who has best ping to the server wins.
And I am not going to mention the broken CP system.

That's not a game to build on a loot base penalty PvP, at least not before they balance a gazillions of issues. (eg AOE spam).
True. I play EVE also (tell me about full loot....), however the mechanics there are difference and you know what you expect. And still you can sort something out.

rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

what i meant is that the TeaBagStones drop *from* PvEers on death first, not from PvPers on their deaths (untill after they have killed the PvEer to GET them in the first place)

i still think it would have been better to make the ImperialCity DLC with only content for PvPers that does not require ant PvEing.
i think that its unfair that PvPers have to go do PvE to level. they hsould be able to level up just twatting eachother about the head and taking keeps and fullfilling PvP based objectives too.
i think its unfait that PvEers have to do PvP too unless they also enjoy Pvp.

i think its allways better to let you do the content you LIKE , and to let that contents rewards help you where you need it...the parts of the game you like.
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PvErs are not the source of stones. It is self-centered of them to think so; it implies they view all mobs as being put in place for their benefit, and that PvP players are not capable of killing said mobs.

Personally play a mix of PvE and PvP.
The reason that PvE content outside of Cyrodiil quest hubs and dungeons does not appeal to me is the total lack of risk and lack of PvP.
Cyrodiil quest hubs and dungeons are my favourite content in the game because they mix PvE and PvP.
If Imperial City does not get nerfed before launch, it stands to potentially replace that.

I am fine with killing PvE mobs.
What is unfair is when killing PvE mobs is my only option -- in Imperial City it is not; killing mobs will be something that just happens while PvP players fight each other. Many already do exactly that when taking Keeps and killing guard NPCs while fighting other players.
I don't want to roll my eyes back into my head grinding Veteran mobs with no risk at all -- I want a mix of PvE and PvP where I am always kept on my toes, but also progress on a regular basis.

Imperial City in the current format is content that I do like, and it rewards me with help where I need it -- ensuring that I always have people to fight because people will always be trying to kill me for my stones.
What would make me, as someone who PvPs on a regular basis, dislike it would be nerfing down or removing the drop rate of stones.
I would be perfectly fine with no pure-PvE players ever setting foot inside Imperial City though. People willing to fight to take my stones only please.

Players who do not like PvP content are trying to remove or nerf a mechanic that is there to facilitate PvP for PvP players and functions in its entirety if no pure-PvE player participates in the system..

Everyone settle down. I am the one who enjoys pvp and pve with risk. This dlc is for me. Everyone else keep their mouths and wallets closed

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ARCH3RB13 wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

PvEers aren't scared of getting killed. We're unhappy because a mechanic is being introduced into ESO that turns us into CHUMPS. People (including the DEVS) keep using weasel words like "risk and reward" as a smoke screen to disguise the crux of the issue: PvE players are being LURED into the IC with juicy, grindable PvE content solely so that they can be exploited by unscrupulous PvP players. It's not just morally wrong, it's the wrongest thing I've ever seen in ESO, and I can guarantee you many players are NOT going to stand for it.

Or since your stating your not scared of getting killed... you could just deal with it.

The only way to "deal with it" would be to respec, rebuild, maybe even re-roll and yes, "L2P" as a PvP player... and THEN spend all of our time trying to hunt down gankers. You can't see what's wrong with this? If EVERYONE does this, then NO ONE will have any Tel Var stones because we'll all be too busy skulking in dark corners waiting to get the drop on some other lame ganker! They might as well REMOVE all the PvE content and all the friggin' Tel Var stones, because the whole thing will be a pointless chore to PvE oriented players, just like Cyrodiil is now.

From the day ESO started being created it was labbelled as a mixed PVP and PVE game mechanic wrapped around the alliances at war. Where you need to do both PVP and PVE to be max strength and have everything. This game was designed with the main Cyrodiil PVP as the endgame. Craglorn and Vet dungeons were added as an alternative for PVE players. If you really hate mixed PVP and PVE then you probably should not have chose a game that was designed that way.

For such a mix of PvP and PvE game mechanic wrapped in alliances war there is a distinct lack of zones where the alliances actually are together. SWTOR has planets where Republic and Empire players mix, and with the ability to flag yourself as PvP it is by far a much better example of a game that is a mix of PvP and PvE game mechanics. The PvP element in ESO is more like that in LOTRO; more of an add on to a game that is primarily PvE.

Durban wrote: »

I have no problem with this being a patch for the PVP crowd, they have had no extra content since launch. I have no problem with the pvp stones mechanic, I don't PVP so I don't need the gear. I have no problem with it being a mixed PVP/PVE zone, so is Cyrodil, and I don't bother going there for PVE, that's my choice.
What I do have a problem with is the increase in level cap to VR16, where the only new PVE content is in a PVP enabled zone, and there already isn't enough content to get to current level cap without grinding endlessly. So all we are getting is 2 more levels of VR grind. Thanks, but no thanks.

From my understanding creglore or whatever, is getting a patch to level up 80% faster while doing dungeons there. But I get that aspect of it, and when the Orc PvE place gets added, I'm sure it will raise the level cap to v16 there too, with the addition of added gear that can only be gotten only there. PvP just gets the level cap raised first. And for people that don't PvP or go to PvP zones like yourself, you don't need your level raised yet because the content you are playing will be a lower level. Once Orc city comes open the contents difficulty will be raised so the higher level will be needed. Like I said PvP just got the raised level content first, but the PvE raised level content probably won't be far behind. At e3 the short video they showed was IC and the Orc city, and they said this is what zos has in store for this year. I doubt it gets realesed this year, but won't be too far behind

Why were pvp players so upset that they haven't got anything for over a year prior to the knowledge that the TV system was the way it is?.

In the last 10 months since I started playing this game I've seen a lot of whine threads about wanting things changed to suit each person play style.