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Why are PvE players so upset PvP players are getting something
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Adryssa_Joneley✭✭✭I really don't see the problem with, in a DLC designed for PvPers, if good PvPers get rewarded for being better at it than someone who just wanted to do PvE and is scared of Cyrodil.
(and just to be clear, I am primarily a PvEer).
i just dont like getting teabagged after they kill me. im all for pvp and all but when there is poor sportsmanship like that, i dont want any part in it.
Your kidding me right?
nope, i am not kidding you. was pvping just a couple nights ago. finally got killed and they guy teabagged me, well i rezed at the shrine and went back to pve. pvp is supposed to be fun, not demoralizing and humiliating from some poor sportsmanship doodyhead. you killed me, congrats now lets move on and have fun. but nope some people have to ruin the fun with teabagging
I used to pvp heaps back in the day, and all i can say is, PvP breeds the worst kind of people. Not all of course, but with my experience with PvP, the majority anyways. There is so much hate and anger that is associated with PvP that its so off-putting really. It stops being fun.
I haven't done much pvp in ESO however, I might give it a try just to see what it has to offer. And if its not my cup of tea, well then i will go do something else.Edited by Adryssa_Joneley on July 21, 2015 7:00AM0 -
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I will eventually try the PvP arena, but not for a while. I want to continue playing the game solo (mostly) because it's wicked fun.
I see this game being a better investment than Destiny, so I will remain patient. Besides, November isn't that far away, where I take a break from ESO.
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Well don't worry they already added a bunch of content for PvE and the next dlc will be PvE as well. Zos loves PvEers, they decided to throw PvP a bone, and has PvEers in a uproar
This. This is what is bugging me about all the PVEers raging and crying.
I love both PVE and PVP.
ZOS up until now has only ever seemed to have any care for PVE players.
Finally, we get some PVP content, after over a year of PVE updates and content, and the PVE only players are trying to wreck it.
This is probably the most counter-factual statement made in this thread. I've been playing since Beta, and this is what I've seen:
1) ESO launches half-finished, Craglorn gets slapped on a few weeks later. Almost everybody hates it because of the forced grouping. Most players never even finish the zone quests and only came there to grind XP... until ZoS killed that, too.
2) A whole year ensues without any substantial new content (PvE or PvP), but we do get patch after patch of NERFS, REBALANCES AND OVERHAULS... almost ALL of which were demanded by PvP players. PvE players grow more and more unhappy because ESO is now more screwed up than when it launched.
3) None of the "content" that WAS released, the Provisioning overhaul, the Justice System, etc really did anything to satisfy the hunger of PvE or PvP players for playable expansions to the game. By the way, it's incredibly dishonest to call this stuff "PvE content". Don't they eat food buffs in Cyrodiil? As for the Justice System, people played it for a couple weeks, and then it got killed off by some dumb nerf.
4) Several weeks ago, ZoS releases the Champion System for the benefit of ALL players who want progression for their characters, but PvPers immediately start whining about "CP gaps" and continue to beg for the CS to be dismantled to this very day.
5) The same PvP community who has inflicted horrible nerfs on the PvE game, including the upcoming nerf to BLOCKING, yes BLOCKING (WTF?!) is now being rewarded with a DLC full of PvP-centric content, but there's a catch: the MAIN ATTRACTION of the Imperial CIty is the goofy "Tel Var" system, which appears to be deliberately designed to trick PvE grinders into offering themselves up as LOOTABLE CORPSES to bloodthirsty PvPers.
Now, to add insult to injury, PvE players are being scolded and called "carebears" because we don't like the idea of being murdered for our hard-earned loot. Wow, aren't we the selfish ones? Pfft!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE14 -
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✭✭✭Celestrael wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »We shall see how pleased you are when you stand by yourself in IC after a couple months. or they announce zenimax has pulled the plug completely.
Calm it down Chicken Little, just because there's one aspect of the game you don't like in a DLC no one is making you buy, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people who are eager to buy the DLC and enjoy the game. If you don't want to participate in IC, don't buy it. But coming here to complain all day isn't going to change anything. It's a PvP-centric DLC. Period. And it's been stated as such from ZOS.
Exactly. Since the only way you can earn stones is looting PVE players you will be very lonely very quick. The only platform I see this doing well on is the console.0 -
Adryssa_Joneley✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I'm not upset. I just started the game for console, so there's plenty to keep me busy for a while. During this time, perhaps another DLC for more PvE quests will be added.
I will eventually try the PvP arena, but not for a while. I want to continue playing the game solo (mostly) because it's wicked fun.
I see this game being a better investment than Destiny, so I will remain patient. Besides, November isn't that far away, where I take a break from ESO.
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Well don't worry they already added a bunch of content for PvE and the next dlc will be PvE as well. Zos loves PvEers, they decided to throw PvP a bone, and has PvEers in a uproar
This. This is what is bugging me about all the PVEers raging and crying.
I love both PVE and PVP.
ZOS up until now has only ever seemed to have any care for PVE players.
Finally, we get some PVP content, after over a year of PVE updates and content, and the PVE only players are trying to wreck it.
This is probably the most counter-factual statement made in this thread. I've been playing since Beta, and this is what I've seen:
1) ESO launches half-finished, Craglorn gets slapped on a few weeks later. Almost everybody hates it because of the forced grouping. Most players never even finish the zone quests and only came there to grind XP... until ZoS killed that, too.
2) A whole year ensues without any substantial new content (PvE or PvP), but we do get patch after patch of NERFS, REBALANCES AND OVERHAULS... almost ALL of which were demanded by PvP players. PvE players grow more and more unhappy because ESO is now more screwed up than when it launched.
3) None of the "content" that WAS released, the Provisioning overhaul, the Justice System, etc really did anything to satisfy the hunger of PvE or PvP players for playable expansions to the game. By the way, it's incredibly dishonest to call this stuff "PvE content". Don't they eat food buffs in Cyrodiil? As for the Justice System, people played it for a couple weeks, and then it got killed off by some dumb nerf.
4) Several weeks ago, ZoS releases the Champion System for the benefit of ALL players who want progression for their characters, but PvPers immediately start whining about "CP gaps" and continue to beg for the CS to be dismantled to this very day.
5) The same PvP community who has inflicted horrible nerfs on the PvE game, including the upcoming nerf to BLOCKING, yes BLOCKING (WTF?!) is now being rewarded with a DLC full of PvP-centric content, but there's a catch: the MAIN ATTRACTION of the Imperial CIty is the goofy "Tel Var" system, which appears to be deliberately designed to trick PvE grinders into offering themselves up as LOOTABLE CORPSES to bloodthirsty PvPers.
Now, to add insult to injury, PvE players are being scolded and called "carebears" because we don't like the idea of being murdered for our hard-earned loot. Wow, aren't we the selfish ones? Pfft!
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Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.Edited by KerinKor on July 21, 2015 7:00AM4 -
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Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Sorry but to me I want to earn my gear not simply buy it. To me thats akin to cheat codes. All this gear should bind when you pick it up. Like your disorder my internet connection keeps me from pvp. At 150ms on a good day I simple cannot fight someone who has a 30ms ping to the server. This is noone's fault but fact is we should have ways for BOTH sides to progress. Instead while you guys are very happy our side is left to wait until December if we are lucky to continue what we want to do.1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Sorry but to me I want to earn my gear not simply buy it. To me thats akin to cheat codes. All this gear should bind when you pick it up. Like your disorder my internet connection keeps me from pvp. At 150ms on a good day I simple cannot fight someone who has a 30ms ping to the server. This is noone's fault but fact is we should have ways for BOTH sides to progress. Instead while you guys are very happy our side is left to wait until December if we are lucky to continue what we want to do.
It is a clear night, calm weather.
I can hear the coyotes when going out on the deck for a smoke.
My current average ping is jumping around 193-211.
It is generally a good night.
With my frequency of leaving the keyboard for prolonged periods to compulsively wash, or cry myself to sleep due to an overwhelming attack, certain content is not available to me. It is something I have had to come to terms with, even if it sucks never having access to stuff like the Undaunted sets (Daedroth was my favourite pre-Skyrim Conjuration summon).
Cannot realistically expect to run group content when groups of people is one of my primary triggers though. I would be able to laugh at myself for being scared of people on the internet, if it were not so utterly depressing that I am not even fully safe from the impacts of my disability in an alternate reality.
Can agree that waiting until December for Orsinium is a poor prospect, and wish that ZOS was churning out content at the speed I had expected of them back at launch.
Waiting for Imperial City has been terrible itself, especially with Cyrodiil having hours of unplayable lag every evening at primetime since roughly the time of the lighting patch.Edited by Samadhi on July 21, 2015 8:45AM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?
In the next patch, every dungeon & gear inside them scales up to VR16, meaning there are more options than just the gear acquired via PvP content.
Remains to be seen where the BiS comes from though (I wish both PvE & PvP have equally good sets).
Keep in mind, you are already forced to PvP or purchase the gear, if you want BiS gear in the live version of ESO.2 -
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Remember, IC and Orsinium were ANNOUNCED last summer, IC was said to be nearly ready for release in SEPTEMBER, ZOS then held them back once they decided to go F2P so they could charge for them separately.Can agree that waiting until December for Orsinium is a poor prospect, and wish that ZOS was churning out content at the speed I had expected of them back at launch.
This content is likely done and 'in the can', it's simply greed that made them hold it back till F2P came in, those paying subs for the first year already had paid for it and had every right to expect it to appear as 'free content updates' in the last 6 months.
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What's this 'PVP gear'? This is VR16 gear PVEers need too!Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?.
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What's this 'PVP gear'? This is VR16 gear PVEers need too!Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?.
Is that where you stopped reading?
If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
Besides, it's BoE so you can probably just purchase it (I wish there were some BoP sets to make the system more rewarding in the long run though).2 -
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »PvEers aren't scared of getting killed. We're unhappy because a mechanic is being introduced into ESO that turns us into CHUMPS. People (including the DEVS) keep using weasel words like "risk and reward" as a smoke screen to disguise the crux of the issue: PvE players are being LURED into the IC with juicy, grindable PvE content solely so that they can be exploited by unscrupulous PvP players. It's not just morally wrong, it's the wrongest thing I've ever seen in ESO, and I can guarantee you many players are NOT going to stand for it.
I am regular pvp player and I agree with this, I am afraid this will turn out to be nothing but a grief fest and no fun for a lot of people, saying deal with and suck it up does nothing for the core of the problem which has the potential to make IC a ghost town a couple of months after launch, and lets add in all the exploits, client crashes, internet crashes to many thing things that can ruin the fun of players. I waiting for these brave "hardcore" players to get griefed or they crash and come back with no stones, they will be on the forums crying and when they do, I guess, Deal with it comes to my mind..LOL3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭its like when you were little and you went shopping with mom for new clothes and your sister was there but she didnt get anything for the new school year, she will cry and pout all the way home. A few days later she will get over it.... this is the exact same thing..
Sister = PVE'ers
It's more like having a big brother and you just got a new pair of shoes and your big brother is jealous. He should have a pair of shoes to! Certainly he is due for a pair as well; but rather than listen to your parents who say "We will take you and get you some shoes as well soon," The other brother says "No! I want these NOW." And your parents say "But these shoes are not for you, they are not the right fit." And your brother is all like "If we just cut the toes out, that will work. We both can then wear these shoes!"Edited by technohic on July 21, 2015 1:13PM3 -
Merlight✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Now, to add insult to injury, PvE players are being scolded and called "carebears" because we don't like the idea of being murdered for our hard-earned loot. Wow, aren't we the selfish ones? Pfft!
Looting NPCs isn't hard. Your TVS are only hard-earned after you have carried them back to the bank.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Since the only way you can earn stones is looting PVE players you will be very lonely very quick.
This is false.
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✭✭If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
But it's not just the gear.
There's new crafting materials, new crafted sets, new motifs... all to be had only in DLC. Forget for a moment the PvP/PvE debate, if you don't pay then you don't get this. (I know that if you have enough gold you will be able to buy materials, but you still won't have access to crafting locations).
I'm happy for IC gear to only drop in IC (by the way, it doesn't make sense to call it PvP or PvE gear, it's just gear) - just as access to trials or Undaunted gear is restricted.
I don't mind the PvP aspects of gathering stones. Indeed a lot of people have been calling for access to top level mats to be "guarded" in some way. I suppose gankers will do that for us
But I'm not happy that items intrinsically linked with progression (crafting and VR) are locked behind a pay wall.
If I don't buy IC then I presume I'll still be able to level up to VR16... I'll still be able to level up crafting for VR16 gear... but won't have access to materials.
By the way, if you think the PvEers are QQing, just imagine Orsinium being released with upgrades to VR18 but locked behind enforced solo content - no guildies to help you out... I'm not saying it will be, but wouldn't that cause as much fuss?
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This is why.IC is a dlc designed to make PvP more enjoyable and adds more tension to conflicts by adding in stones. Everything since launch has been on the PvE side, PvP is the same map and everything since launch. In PvP you level up a lot I mean a lot slower, the mail bag equipment drops aren't very good, and the gold you earn isn't very much. So zos is trying to make the PvP experience better. The next dlc will be straight PvE content, with 0 PvP content added in. That dark brother hood will be PvE content, theifs guild will be PvE content. I mean after this I don't know what other PvP content could be add besides maybe an arena for 5v5v5. If you are scared to be killed by an enemy that isn't AI, then just don't get the dlc. But don't cry because zos is trying to make PvP better. If you are that upset about it, just stay out of IC. And just imagine the tention PvEers will have trying to sneak back to the sewer to get their huge bounty from the dungeon back to the bank. It will be dynamic player driven excitement. And isn't that what everyone wants on PvP content, player driven tention and excitement? Instead of everything being scripted straight forward
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✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
But it's not just the gear.
There's new crafting materials, new crafted sets, new motifs... all to be had only in DLC. Forget for a moment the PvP/PvE debate, if you don't pay then you don't get this. (I know that if you have enough gold you will be able to buy materials, but you still won't have access to crafting locations).
I'm happy for IC gear to only drop in IC (by the way, it doesn't make sense to call it PvP or PvE gear, it's just gear) - just as access to trials or Undaunted gear is restricted.
I don't mind the PvP aspects of gathering stones. Indeed a lot of people have been calling for access to top level mats to be "guarded" in some way. I suppose gankers will do that for us
But I'm not happy that items intrinsically linked with progression (crafting and VR) are locked behind a pay wall.
If I don't buy IC then I presume I'll still be able to level up to VR16... I'll still be able to level up crafting for VR16 gear... but won't have access to materials.
By the way, if you think the PvEers are QQing, just imagine Orsinium being released with upgrades to VR18 but locked behind enforced solo content - no guildies to help you out... I'm not saying it will be, but wouldn't that cause as much fuss?
You can get the materials all from the PvE dungeons where there is no PvP by deconstructing loot. Not sure if the motif will drop there but I wouldn't see why not.2 -
rayeab16_ESO✭✭✭i still say all of the DLC should have been PvP only. no pve inside it.
TeaBagStones should have been dropped from PvPers only, not gained by doing PvE stuff, and you shouldnt get them from doing pve questlines and they should drop from pvp objectives.
instead we have PvE side armours (vr15 and vr16 grade) dropped inside a dungeon INSIDE the PvP area, which PvE people will need to get to move onto orsinium (you can bet your backside this will be true) because its likely going to be another couple of VR levels added when orsinium arrives.
while its true that there are PvP side armours, those are NOT what the PvE crowd are going there for (unless they also enjoy the PvP side in which case, those guys are fine) the gear the PvE folks need isnt the same as the stuff the PvPers buy.
and buying the mats from those who can get them is going to prohibitively expensive, no mater which way you paint it.
again. its not that PvPers are getting a DLC. its that there is stuff for PvEers, that they will NEED to get, for when Orsinium arrives (again, because you can bet your arse that you will need to have run those dungeons, or completed the questline in the imperial city..to be able to progress properly to the orsinium areas.)
word to the wise, devs.... make sure that if you add any PvP side stuff to orsinium...make it so you dont have to pve for any of it, or we will be back here again for round two of this. (ie, if you are going to add in say, an Arena or pvp 1x1 thru 4x4 ect, for the love of the divines, make sure you can just port directly to it the moment the server goes live after downloading the DLC/Patch)1 -
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✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »PvEers aren't scared of getting killed. We're unhappy because a mechanic is being introduced into ESO that turns us into CHUMPS. People (including the DEVS) keep using weasel words like "risk and reward" as a smoke screen to disguise the crux of the issue: PvE players are being LURED into the IC with juicy, grindable PvE content solely so that they can be exploited by unscrupulous PvP players. It's not just morally wrong, it's the wrongest thing I've ever seen in ESO, and I can guarantee you many players are NOT going to stand for it.
I am regular pvp player and I agree with this, I am afraid this will turn out to be nothing but a grief fest and no fun for a lot of people, saying deal with and suck it up does nothing for the core of the problem which has the potential to make IC a ghost town a couple of months after launch, and lets add in all the exploits, client crashes, internet crashes to many thing things that can ruin the fun of players. I waiting for these brave "hardcore" players to get griefed or they crash and come back with no stones, they will be on the forums crying and when they do, I guess, Deal with it comes to my mind..LOL
Do not even need Imperial City to be part of the game to think that ZOS' unwillingness to deal with exploits and seeming inability to provide a stable gameplay experience is garbage.
Are you saying that you plan to excuse all of these things so you can laugh at the misfortunes of other PvP players who enjoy a system that does not appeal to you?
To me the stones are an impetus to trigger PvP by having people attack me, not any object that is a goal in and of itself.
Losing and gaining stones is a more interesting aspect of the system than having stones and ogling pixel gears trying to decide which one to wear."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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No I read the whole post looking for the answer, didn't find it.
What's this 'PVP gear'? This is VR16 gear PVEers need too!Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?.
Is that where you stopped reading?
If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
Besides, it's BoE so you can probably just purchase it (I wish there were some BoP sets to make the system more rewarding in the long run though).
Saying PVPers forced to PVE is the same thing as PVEers forced to PVP shows how clueless you really are, the two types of gameplay have one huge, fundamental difference and if you don't see that I won't waste my time explaining it to you.
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The reality is its not about insulting the player, its about amusement.
maybe if you know the person and you both know its for jollies.
but in reality, its about insulting the other player. the like a non verbal "you suck balls, im better than you!" so yes teabagging is a bad thing very poor sportsmanship.
Well for me personally i teabag every single dead player i find, and if i can res them i will. On PC i play with a guild called Guild of Shadows, the leader of this guild is called Zazeer.
If theres 24 people in group and he lead us into combat and died, well theres usually 23 players teabagging him for a few seconds. You can choose to take it as an insult, or laugh about them being cheeky. I always laugh regardless of if i have ever seen that player before.
Teabagging Batzaz is a GoS tradition.
Also blaming Rylana
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✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »...
But I'm not happy that items intrinsically linked with progression (crafting and VR) are locked behind a pay wall.
If I don't buy IC then I presume I'll still be able to level up to VR16... I'll still be able to level up crafting for VR16 gear... but won't have access to materials.
By the way, if you think the PvEers are QQing, just imagine Orsinium being released with upgrades to VR18 but locked behind enforced solo content - no guildies to help you out... I'm not saying it will be, but wouldn't that cause as much fuss?
You can buy gear or crafting materials from other players without owning the DLC.
Orsinium is meant to be a solo content zone -- if ZOS changes it so that guildies are required to complete it, that would give me fuss as a player who does not even plan to purchase the content. Forced group PvE was Craglorn's business, and solo players who have been waiting should not be punished by seeing the mode of "their" expansion changed so that it no longer benefits them.
Likewise, am not asking for Orsinium to be made into PvP content -- only interested in seeing the offered PvP content make it to game without being nerfed in a similar manner."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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They clearly stated that you can skip IC altogether, i.e. not buy it, and wait for Orsinium.EU ‣ Wabbajack nostalgic ‣ Blackwater Blade defender ‣ Kyne wanderer
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✭✭You can buy gear or crafting materials from other players without owning the DLC.
But you cannot get to the set crafting location because that will be behind a pay wall.
Also, why should anyone be forced to buy materials? At VR1, long before you can wear it, you can go into Craglorn and harvest voidstone for yourself. You can advance your craft long before you are able to use the gear. Now you'll be dependent on the market.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be in there myself getting my own stones/motifs precisely because I want to do it all myself. It's just that as a matter of principle it seems wrong to lock materials behind a pay gate (either real cash or in game gold).
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No I read the whole post looking for the answer, didn't find it.
What's this 'PVP gear'? This is VR16 gear PVEers need too!Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?.
Is that where you stopped reading?
If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
Besides, it's BoE so you can probably just purchase it (I wish there were some BoP sets to make the system more rewarding in the long run though).
Saying PVPers forced to PVE is the same thing as PVEers forced to PVP shows how clueless you really are, the two types of gameplay have one huge, fundamental difference and if you don't see that I won't waste my time explaining it to you.
Ah, here at the lack of real responses, comes the "superior PvEr" attitude.
Look, I'm just as much of a PvEr (if not more) as you. More than half of my played time has been spent inside Trials, being in one of the top PvE guilds in the world, most of the other half was spent gathering the 14260 achievement points (which includes fishing, every dungeon, every collectible etc).
The time I've spent in PvP is miniscule in comparison.
That said, I don't feel that playstyle is any more or less important than another, and having content for various people is not a bad thing.
Is WoW a bad game, because PvPers are able to get strong gear by doing Arena? Are people up in arms about that? No.
Reading these forums, I'm starting to think that this comparatively small MMO has exponentially more toxic community than that behemoth of a MMO.Edited by DDuke on July 21, 2015 2:11PM2 -
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No I read the whole post looking for the answer, didn't find it.
What's this 'PVP gear'? This is VR16 gear PVEers need too!Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »
Precisely.i think they are upset because the PVE stuff inside IC has PVP stuff wrapped around it.
@markt84 what you and many other PVPers raising this fallacy fail to see is that PVEers aren't 'upset' PVPers are finally getting some new PVP content .. you're totally entitled to new PVP content .. it's that IC ISN'T SOLELY PVP, it contains PVE PROGRESSION content gated by forced-PVP, that's why many of us are 'upset', I want nothing to do with PVP and resent ZOS trying to coerce me into content that I despise in order to carry on playing the content I enjoy.
As a PVEer my gear progression is gated by items only obtainable by trading 'tokens' only available in forced-PVP areas where I'm flagged for PVP whether I want to PVP or not.
THAT is why I'm 'upset'.
Purchase your gear from a PvP player. They are Bind on Equip.
My anxiety disorder prevents me from running Trials or Undaunted pledges, but I was able to purchase Trial drops at a guild trader.
Why on earth should i be forced to purchase gear and pay ridiculous amounts for it simply because i have very little interest in PvP?
Better question is:
Why should you have PvP gear handed to you free of charge, if you have little interest in PvP?.
Is that where you stopped reading?
If you want that specific gear, you're likely going to have to do some PvP for it. Just like PvPers have to do PvE if they want PvE gear. It's not that complex, really.
Besides, it's BoE so you can probably just purchase it (I wish there were some BoP sets to make the system more rewarding in the long run though).
Saying PVPers forced to PVE is the same thing as PVEers forced to PVP shows how clueless you really are, the two types of gameplay have one huge, fundamental difference and if you don't see that I won't waste my time explaining it to you.
That difference is that pure-PvE players do not like PvP content.
Pure-PvE players are in no way being forced to enter PvP content though.
Some of us are asking even them to stay out if they do not want to participate, and it has been pointed out that the system does not need pure-PvE players at all in order to function, despite claims to the contrary being made by pure-PvE players.
Just because you covet an item being made available to PvP players does not mean that the system is, in any way, geared towards you or that you have to play it.
If nothing about Imperial City in its current format appeals to you, don't buy it."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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