How long will ZOS let Dawnbreaker exploiting run rampant?

rfennell_ESO · July 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

All forms of dawnbreaker are broken.

It seems if you cancel the animation it applies the ground effect dot instantly.

How's that broken? The spell is instantcast now after all. If anything, they should update the animation.

It's supposed to put a ground effect down, which is the dot. You can see it clearly if you normal cast it.

If you cancel the animation quick enough the ground effect does not appear and is applied instantly.

TheElementalPlatypus · July 2015

Inner Light (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Bound Armor (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Double Mundus - Get twice born - go get two mundus - die in pve rez with a gem, and unequip while in ghost.
Dawnbreaker (sorta) - self explanatory
Free rezzing - not entirely sure how

ZOS removed my messages in order not to confuse new players from another thread. Keep in mind they were about exploits. From my understanding they said they removed them from the game, yet they are still here.

TO all - Feel free to abuse them exploits I gave ya, not like ZOS is gonna do anything but remove this comment soon

olsborg · July 2015

Fixed in the next incremental patch and then again in Imperial City update.

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Exploits are practically a part of the game, the meta. You see in most games people tend not to use exploits in assumption action will be taken against them and they wont last long anyway. In this game people abuse them for months on end as they know nothing will happen nor will it get fixed until a major update (which seems to be like twice a year other than these "sound fixes" no one was complaining about)

Its a shame to say it, but this is so true in this games case.

Sanct16 · July 2015

It's working as intended.

To be honest I don't like Dawnbreaker at all. Whenever I tried it, I felt that it didn't have much impact. While Meteor + Petrify is almost a 100% kill against some Dawnbreaker is just tickling the enemies usually.

The First DoT shouldnt hit instant tho and that should be fixed.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Inner Light (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Bound Armor (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Double Mundus - Get twice born - go get two mundus - die in pve rez with a gem, and unequip while in ghost.
Dawnbreaker (sorta) - self explanatory
Free rezzing - not entirely sure how

ZOS removed my messages in order not to confuse new players from another thread. Keep in mind they were about exploits. From my understanding they said they removed them from the game, yet they are still here.

TO all - Feel free to abuse them exploits I gave ya, not like ZOS is gonna do anything but remove this comment soon

For some companies, this approach seems to be the only one that really works. So to everybody: please share all the exploits you know, since ZOS isn't stopping anyone from using them and having just part of the playerbase enjoy the fruits of exploiting is unfair.

Morvul · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Inner Light (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Bound Armor (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Double Mundus - Get twice born - go get two mundus - die in pve rez with a gem, and unequip while in ghost.

see, THAT is was constitutes exploiting, in my book.
It involves abusing gamemechanics in ways that you simply would not use them during "normal" gameplay.
Noone who gets double mundus bonus while not weaing the twice born set can avtually believe that they are just "following intended game mechanics"

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Dawnbreaker (sorta) - self explanatory

This on the other hand (or nirn, or flame-lash or concealed weapon, etc...) is mereley usage of bugged skills exactly in the same way you would be using them during "normal" gameplay.
Hence it's something I often look down on, but I can't bring myself to consider it "exploiting". There is enough players out there who use those bugged skills without even knowing they are bugged, or who would use the same skills even if they were to work propperly. Sure, there's probably even more folks who only slot those skills because they are broken - but how do you distinguish them?

That ZoS is waaaaay to lenient on punishing actuall exploiters, and waaaay to slow on fixing the broken skills is another matter...

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

You'd figure a curated gaming experience such as ESO would have some proper in-game police. I have yet to see a GM in PvP.

Soulac · July 2015

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

BigTone · July 2015

Meth hit me with a 36k dawnbreaker yesterday while I was looking at my map

rfennell_ESO · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

REiiGN15 · July 2015

It's working as intended.

If you are a wolf or a vampire, you have a disease, but going around infecting others is not safe. If you willing do it, you will be smited, dawnbreaker-ly style. Waay better than an RKO outta nowhere.

Kobaal · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

BigTone wrote: »

Meth hit me with a 36k dawnbreaker yesterday while I was looking at my map

My death recap showed 3 dawnbreakers from him, 11k, 6k and 10k

All back to back to back. Exploit ftw!

Soulac · July 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

Incapacitating Strike is saying it deals magic damage, but doesn't get absorbed by Harness or mitigated by spellresistance.

Tankqull · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

Incapacitating Strike is saying it deals magic damage, but doesn't get absorbed by Harness or mitigated by spellresistance.

tooltips -> used to annoy players since 1995 :P

Erondil · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

Incapacitating Strike is saying it deals magic damage, but doesn't get absorbed by Harness or mitigated by spellresistance.

Looks like Incapaciting Strike isnt working as intended and youre exploiting it. #banSoulac

DeanTheCat · July 2015

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

Incapacitating Strike is saying it deals magic damage, but doesn't get absorbed by Harness or mitigated by spellresistance.

Looks like Incapaciting Strike isnt working as intended and youre exploiting it. #banSoulac

Soulac is using a stamina build. As a result, the ultimate has scaled off Weapon Crit and Weapon Damage. As the ultimate is using Weapon Crit, it ignores harness/dampen. All abilities that scale off Weapon Crit ignores harness/dampen.

Knootewoot · July 2015

People die in cyrodill and often think the other is "exploiting" , using macro's (if you use DW heavy attacks proc with camo hunter and animation cancel it with surprise attack) or intentional creating lag (if you pop bats for instance you get load of hate tells) to win the fight.

I call all 3 [snip]

Dawnbreaker is not an exploit either. It is just a bug. You cannot forbid people in cyrodill to put it on their ultimate bar and use it. It is up for Zos to fix/balance it. Don't cry/whisper to the player who used it. He just uses a legimate skill.

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Gyudan · July 2015

It's working as intended.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler: do you even /lurk ?

Kas · July 2015

Knootewoot wrote: »

People die in cyrodill and often think the other is "exploiting" , using macro's (if you use DW heavy attacks proc with camo hunter and animation cancel it with surprise attack) or intentional creating lag (if you pop bats for instance you get load of hate tells) to win the fight.

I call all 3 [snip]

Dawnbreaker is not an exploit either. It is just a bug. You cannot forbid people in cyrodill to put it on their ultimate bar and use it. It is up for Zos to fix/balance it. Don't cry/whisper to the player who used it. He just uses a legimate skill.

if you use a bug to your advantage, you exploit it. that being said, hating on dawnbreaker users is uncalled for. all that's needed is a little fix by ZOS. Let people use their dawnbreaker, let it do huge damage, let them bash cancel it, but just make sure the timing of the dot is not affected.

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Kas · July 2015

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

For me as Stamina Build, actually using dawnbreaker is useless.
It gets mitigated by spellresistance and you barely got any penetration if you run Stamina.
5k crits ftw.

(wpn dmg buff is nice tho)

What ultimate isn't magic damage?

Answer is: ice comet and shooting star. They are both spell resist anyways.

Incapacitating Strike is saying it deals magic damage, but doesn't get absorbed by Harness or mitigated by spellresistance.

Looks like Incapaciting Strike isnt working as intended and youre exploiting it. #banSoulac

Soulac is using a stamina build. As a result, the ultimate has scaled off Weapon Crit and Weapon Damage. As the ultimate is using Weapon Crit, it ignores harness/dampen. All abilities that scale off Weapon Crit ignores harness/dampen.

this isn't true for all ultimates, though. thus, some thing IS broken

Joy_Division · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Not even a vamp and insta-died to Meth's Dawnbreaker multiple times last night. Zero counterplay possible with that first tick coming instantaneously.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Not even a vamp and insta-died to Meth's Dawnbreaker multiple times last night. Zero counterplay possible with that first tick coming instantaneously.

No man, it's working as intended! Check the poll.

Ezareth · July 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Not even a vamp and insta-died to Meth's Dawnbreaker multiple times last night. Zero counterplay possible with that first tick coming instantaneously.

You need more hitpoints then. He didn't 1shot me and I got hit with his dawnbreaker several times.

The dot hitting at the same time as the base damage is not an exploit, it is a bug. It is BS but I have nothing against people using the ability in that way.

The real exploit (which I wont mention as that would get the thread deleted) is what really needs fixed on this ability. I haven't really seen people exploiting that part of it per se however.

corwinDA · July 2015

It's working as intended.

All I can say is this, you took the bite to gever the perks now that you found out that "fire bad" you want not have the negatives that go with the perks. As both a vampire and werewolf I would love to have my transformation either cheaper or free but im not going to because thats my price as a wolf and if I take my vamp into pvp and the fire speced templar burns me alive well I had that coming for going Rambo to his face to begin with.

Chrlynsch · July 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler: do you even /lurk ?

Not Brian's job yo.... try Eric Wrobel. Wish people understood this.

k2blader · July 2015

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Inner Light (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Bound Armor (sorc only) - equip overload, turn it on, turn it off, and directly after press the key that goes with inner light/bound armor.
Double Mundus - Get twice born - go get two mundus - die in pve rez with a gem, and unequip while in ghost.
Dawnbreaker (sorta) - self explanatory
Free rezzing - not entirely sure how

ZOS removed my messages in order not to confuse new players from another thread. Keep in mind they were about exploits. From my understanding they said they removed them from the game, yet they are still here.

TO all - Feel free to abuse them exploits I gave ya, not like ZOS is gonna do anything but remove this comment soon

That's the way it has to be done I suppose.

Just so tired of people crying about classes (e.g. sorcs) when it's actually the exploits.

Xqluded · July 2015

Solution: Once everyone drops Werewolf and Vampirism the exploit will be officially fixed.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Xqluded wrote: »

Solution: Once everyone drops Werewolf and Vampirism the exploit will be officially fixed.

Does this extend to ESO as a whole?

Waffennacht · July 2015

How is it "broken"? In mtg "broken" was reffering cards that were powerful but not breaking rules.

To me its broken if there is a glitch, like it says 1000 dmg but deals 100 damage.

If its a better ability its just that good. No abilities are equal persay. I read this is broken, NBs broken, templar broken, sorc is broken.

Just seems like things are good.

Of course there will be things uber good against vamps, there would be no trade off without a draw back. (Ur a creature of the night and historically speaking one good guy kills many vamps, hello blade or hellsing.)

I like power, either against me or for me, I would hate to see the game become bland because everyone is complaining about every ability and category

tplink3r1 · July 2015

It's working as intended.

Leandor wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Morvul wrote: »

well, personally I have a hard time calling the straight up use of an ability an "exploit".

That said, dawnbreaker of smiting is currently clearly bugged, and needs fixing

Isn't The definition of "exploit" the abuse of a game mechanic that has an unintended or bugged effect?

By that standard, flat out using a bugged ability is an exploit. Sadly, this is usually tolerated in this game.

Because the game would be unplayable otherwise.

So I am a sorcerer, what ultimate do you want me to use since people will [snip] at me for slotting meteor and I'm a hack for using Dawnbreaker? The useless atrnoach? The nerfed-to-the-ground negate? Overload which can't hit all the perma-dodge rollers?

Was I not supposed to use fire trebs because the first DoT ticked immediately? It is the only tool in the game designed to counter enemy siege weapons on top of castle ramparts.

How exactly is the use of nirn supposed to be police and not tolerated?

A DK without flame lash in the 1.6 environment where it's burst or die?

It is ZoS's responsibility to provide us with a functioning and balanced game. Not my responsibility to run a gimped build and compete against the many players who do not measure up to your standards of what is good sportsmanship.

@Joy_Division I am with you. Many of the design choices are half thought through only. I slot meteor on my sorc as well and I have dawnbreaker slotted on my nightblade. If you have only lesser suitable choices otherwise, you take the best one irrespective of this.

But I would never go on the forums and post useless things like

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

You are getting one-shot by dawnbreaker? [snip]

This makes one look like a poor sod who is unable to survive without exploits and desperately tries to defend what little chance of success they have. Hence, I cannot take those serious.

Why would i use it? I get much more damage by spamming Jabs over and over again. The weapon damage bonus is the only reason i even slot it.
Also, i never said that the instant DOT tick should not be fixed...
And again, if you are being one shot by this ability, i think its time for you to rethink your build.

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