You're forgetting that sorcs cant streak more than 4-5 times in a row after update 7.
The cost to streak increases by 50% each streak if you streak multiple times in a row.
After the 4th streak the 5th streak will cost 200% of the original cost, thats about 6k magicka for the 5th streak.

Any sorcs knows that you need at least 5-8 BEs if you want to escape, after update 7 sorcs wont be able to escape 8/10 times because the BE cost stacks to high, especially if you're already low on magicka.

I think literately all sorcs in Cyrodiil will have to become vamps for mist form and the sneak bonus. Escaping just with BE is not going to work with the stacking cost increase.

ADarklore wrote: »

We had this same exact problem in DCUO as well... people would come on to the forums and CRY about how 'this power or that power' was OP, when in reality, it was THEIR OWN fault for not learning THEIR powers and improving their buildsto keep up. The only reason a class in ESO would APPEAR OP, is because that player has min/maxed their skills, attributes, armor, etc... and made themselves strong. The majority of players do not fall into this category, which is why there is continuous whining and arguments. A player comes across a few min/maxers who destroy them, and they cry 'this class is too OP' when in reality, those players developed their build and honed their skills to maximize themselves- but this is FAR from meaning the 'entire class' is OP.

If you find yourself getting beaten by a specific class, then it is high time you come online and do some research, watch some very effective videos for your chosen class and learn how to min/max your build and skills. DO NOT simply whine about it but put no effort into bettering yourself! This also includes those who have this fallacy that they should be able to pick ANY ability they want because 'they like the pretty lights' and do the same damage across the board... they don't want to pick the most effective skills... so then they also cry 'the other classes are OP', but again, it is their own fault for not choosing to implement and hone the most effective skills.

Its not even Close to that.
Its simply the imbalance between Stamina - Magicka.

Someone could stack the Weap. dmg to 5000-5500 depens on class and race with a Stamina pool from 28k+

i once used a Stamina build on my dk with a bow and 2h.
stealth - momentum - molten arament - cp in bow expert = 25k heavy attack.
dont even tell me this is Close to a Balance or is a matter of l2p, this is just broken.

@Bashev

Wrong.

Ie Funel Health: it will get a 50% dmg reduction as all dmg in Cy PLUS the nerf to Healing, twice the nerf.

Why does everyone assume that only nb stamina attacks are capable of doing that much damage. Last I checked every class can stealth, use snipe, and use wrecking blow. Seems to me that nb is being weeded out just because we are the stealth class, I never use stealth and can one shot nearly any mob I come across with wrecking blow and I have no class abilities that add to that damage, that is all just from wearing leather armor and running a stamina build. I can do the exact same thing on my sorc or templar stamina builds.

R0M2K wrote: »

@Bashev

Wrong.

Ie Funel Health: it will get a 50% dmg reduction as all dmg in Cy PLUS the nerf to Healing, twice the nerf.

Probably the heal will be reduced twice as you said even that we are not sure yet how it will be implemented. But resto healing ward with cloak and you are with full health again. I don't think that magicks NBs should complain about lacking heals.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Its not even Close to that.
Its simply the imbalance between Stamina - Magicka.

Someone could stack the Weap. dmg to 5000-5500 depens on class and race with a Stamina pool from 28k+

i once used a Stamina build on my dk with a bow and 2h.
stealth - momentum - molten arament - cp in bow expert = 25k heavy attack.
dont even tell me this is Close to a Balance or is a matter of l2p, this is just broken.

5000-5500 weapon damage? xD Please show me pics of such high weapon damage. Seems a bit overkill. 4500 is possible maybe but then you have to be purley a glass cannon build using dual wield.

with proced revenger ofc.


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BuggeX wrote: »

with duallwild(+6%) + templar (+4%) and pot(+20%) + med armor (+12) + scroll(5%) = +47%

3000 + 47% = 4410
3622 + 47% = 5324 Weap Dmg...........

R0M2K wrote: »

Ruining PVE?

PvP is the only thing would Keep an MMO alive period.... Sat bb to buff servers and lame former emp farm.

I hate to break it to you, but in almost any MMO that has PvE and PvP, it is the PvE side that has the highest number of players. So while PvP in ESO may show a high population, that population is nothing compared to those currently working on PvE content.

It really is a shame, people abusing wood elf passives and things like hasty retreat + any major expedition. Which truly was the problem with dodge, not every race and build spec was capable of such feats. The key to perma dodge was in the gear and racial passives, hasty retreat + major expedition was more OP than dodge any day. This patch will further solidify the 2H/Bow FoTM master-combo. People abusing that FoTM combo will be hurt the least still, but anyone trying anything unique is killed off.

Meanwhile people assume all stamina builds were the same, and some people made stamina based NB and abused the same FoTM above as everyone else, ruined it for everyone not abusing broken stats.

A nerf sorc thread? I'm shocked. It this was simply a call to ease up on the nerfing to stamina roll dodgers I would probably move on without comment, but honestly it's just more QQing about the sorc.

R0M2K wrote: »

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB




1- 50% shields but 50% & 50% all dmg nerf.

This means that the ttk will be higher while sorcs keep the same efective ratio on their shields, longer time to regenerate magica & recast shields when necesary. NB burst dead, a suposed key feature of the class.

So it doesn't hurt the sorc. what does that have to do with the NB? The decreased damage does hurt us as much as any other class. We will be doing less damage too. Who said NB burst is a key feature specific to the NB?

2- Nirhoned nerf.

This means that sorcs will continue to have high spell res due to their light armor tree pasives, heavy armor will continue to have high spell&phys resistance and the most affected will be medium armor users due to no pasive in the medium armor tree that increases spell and/or phys res, mediocre resistance to both spells & phys attacks = paper to both sorcs and phys attacks and 0 burst to compensate because point 1.

Nirnhoned needs a nerf. Few people dispute this. Again you mention sorc like light armor is class specific.

3- Dodge roll nerf.

Instead of nerfing the gear that makes posible for a few players to perma-dodge, the only thing they can do is annoy btw, you nerf the key feature of medium armor.

Dodging allows you to move how far? 5 meters? How far does Bolt scape allow sorcs to move?
Dodge roll is a skill? NO. Bolt scape IS.
Dodge roll stuns or damage oponent? Bolt scape does.
Is perma-roll avaliable to all classes? Yes. And bolt scape? No.

So you are nerfing a mechanic extremely tied to a type of armor, sorcs have shields, stamina NB had dodge, but you are comparing a mitigation mechanic with a all-in-one skill that is Bolt scape.

Im rolling 2-3 times in a row, strategic reasons, not even close a perma-roller, using the pasives as intended and i will be punished for nothing.

You do realize they are nerfing bolt escape again right? Our cost is going to go up each time we cast it. Roll dodging has gotten out of hand. It looks silly seeing a bunch of people rolling around. The skill was never meant to be used that way and you know it. The answer here would be to give medium armor a passive dodge chance against all damage that stacks with evasion. It would be a nice way to give medium armor something unique and useful.

4- Shield stacking.

So Sorcs can stack Shields but can NB stack Dodge chane? NO, Evasion (Medium armor) does not stack with Blur (NB) nor with Specter set (8-trait crafted set)... Shield stacking is ok but dodge stacking not.

See above. Also I wouldn't even care if they removed shield stacking. My hardened ward is more than sufficient. I only use healing ward for...healing. I just happen to get more out of it because of high magicka and bastion.

5- Shealth medium armor bonus? Detect potion / Mage light.

And? That's a potion that once you use you have to wait to use it again. Even if you need it for some other stat. It's a trade off. Also radiant magelight? Seriously? Who still uses that morph?

6- Regenerate magica while runing / moving shealthed ? No problem.
Regenerate Stamina while runing / moving shealthed AND NOW blocking? No Way.


And on and on and on... just because a bunch of QQ noob sorcs get owned like they should, instead of watching some mainstream youtube tutorials or simply LTP... just like making Vigor rank 5, removing any pride left in earning you ranks.

So we should only regenerate magicka while...staying completely still and indefensible? Do you even read what you type before hitting post?

Know you gona destroy Medium armor in PvP if you push live those changes, and ill cancel my sub, not that it may matter to you ZoS to have 1 less subscriber, but hey, ill feel much better not suporting the joke medium armor NB is gonna be.

The game was pretty balanced, 2.1 is gonna be a total mess... Oh and the "dont worry cos we adding shield penetration gear" its crap, totally crap to have to gear against shields and a terribaaad solution, more of a "patch" than a real balance.


Haha lol, you can even find "things" complaining about NB cloack being fixed AFTER amost 2 years to work as it should.... Wtf??!!! how many times can a Stamina NB cloack before runing out of magica???!!!.


Here, for you fanboys, enjoy your game:

It was balanced because of perma roll dodgers? Okay.

R0M2K wrote: »

Well, who cares, time to find greener pastures.

Thank you Akatosh they're leaving.

BuggeX wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Its not even Close to that.
Its simply the imbalance between Stamina - Magicka.

Someone could stack the Weap. dmg to 5000-5500 depens on class and race with a Stamina pool from 28k+

i once used a Stamina build on my dk with a bow and 2h.
stealth - momentum - molten arament - cp in bow expert = 25k heavy attack.
dont even tell me this is Close to a Balance or is a matter of l2p, this is just broken.

5000-5500 weapon damage? xD Please show me pics of such high weapon damage. Seems a bit overkill. 4500 is possible maybe but then you have to be purley a glass cannon build using dual wield.

with proced revenger ofc.


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BuggeX wrote: »

with duallwild(+6%) + templar (+4%) and pot(+20%) + med armor (+12) + scroll(5%) = +47%

3000 + 47% = 4410
3622 + 47% = 5324 Weap Dmg...........

Hmm cant wait to test this out with My ravager set . Ty for the info

i once used a Stamina build on my dk with a bow and 2h.
stealth - momentum - molten arament - cp in bow expert = 25k heavy attack.

.

Yet you omit vital info like that those 25k were to a mob outside of Cyro, i hit for 25k everyday in PVE....

R0M2K wrote: »

Does a permaroller hurt you?
Does he stuns you like bolt scape?

WTF the only think they can do is NOTHING...

Do you even know the crappy gear that allows that? Its not tied to a particular class BUT to a type of armor, and the roll nerf hurts everybody rolling, be it permaroller or not.

So now if i roll twice i get a 33% sta penalization WITHOUT being a permaroller myself.. SUX.

This is exactly how I feel with the streak nerf. I have to face a 50% penalization WITHOUT being a sorc that streaks away over and over again.

See: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190454/the-big-problem-with-the-bolt-escape-nerf/p1

R0M2K wrote: »

If you, as a heavy armor DK, got hit by a 20k Snipe (shealth) you really deserved:

1- Magelight
2- Hold Block
3- Roll
4- Flappy Wings

If you, as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 15k (crit) wrecking blow:

1- Mage light
2- Hold Block
3- Roll

If you as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 8k (crit) steel tornado:

1- Hold Block
3- Roll
4- Dont stand in the middle of the zerg, you are not Leroy.

If you as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 9k (crit) critical rush:

1- Hold Block
2- Roll





I maybe a QQ NB, but you seriously need some LTP lessons and deserved those hits, besides all where crit hits or coming from shealth.

As a medium armor user ive never, NEVER, been hit harder than 15k snipes or whatever, so you must be doing something really bad.

Ppl like you are getting the game nerfed into ridiculness.

Shealthy classes ARE supposed to hit hard, burst you know, after that initial burst... Rip/flee.




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You little clueless stam monkey.... Please don't tell me to L2P. 100% armor penetration is dumb as hell and this version of the game is NOT balanced.

R0M2K wrote: »

Shield Stacking is allowed but you cant stack Dodge chance... WHY???

Because you can damage someone with 100k shields but you can't dmg someone wih 100% dodge maybe?