2.1= Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB.

BuggeX

R0M2K wrote: »

i once used a Stamina build on my dk with a bow and 2h.
stealth - momentum - molten arament - cp in bow expert = 25k heavy attack.

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Yet you omit vital info like that those 25k were to a mob outside of Cyro, i hit for 25k everyday in PVE....

Nope it was actually in pvp

xaraan

R0M2K wrote: »

And who thinks Nirn was bugged, it was not, ask yourself, if it was supposed to work like the Reinforced trait why oh why does it takes 1 month min to research, needs all other 8 previous traits researched and takes that long to get the trait stones...

It was never bugged, it was a balance decision, no matter what scared devs said afterwards because of the Sorc cryers.

I agree that nirn was never 'bugged' and they just changed it for balance (I still worry it's an over nerf b/c even with great spell resist I was getting hit hard by certain players that knew how to build their character) as it is too rare a drop rate to just work like reinforced, but you don't need all other traits researched (nor does it take a month if it's not your last trait) In fact when it first came out a lot of players researched it on an alt just to have it unlocked within the day so they could start selling pieces of nirn gear to others.

Araxleon

light armor doesnt provide high-spell resist FYI I wish it did though!

1.6 made light armor bad at spell resist and armor - medium is decent in both spell resist and armor and heavy is best in spell resist and armor.

Eejit1331

Dracane wrote: »

You can just avoid 90% of the damage in the game with roll dodge and then you can just strike and roll again and nothing can really hit you. Combined with NBs Dark cloak and this Alliance war stamina heal thing.... a nightmare. Especially for me as a Sorc, because I can't use harness Magicka against physical damage.

Bolt Escape stuns for laughable 1,5 seconds. You can just wait that 1 second to get free CC immunity for 5 seconds. Wish they would remove the stun, as it rather helps the enemy.

Good players will simply gap close bolt escape. Because the range of Bolt escape is so tiny, that you could even gap close, after I used Bolt escape 2 times when you run after me. Bolt Escape really doesn't need a nerf. But I won't complain, it's alright because OP block and OP dodge roll gets nerfed either. So I will accept this nerf and will not QQ about it
Each of us has to adapt to the upcoming changes and I can only recommend you to start right now !

Lay down your nirn gear, learn how to sustain without 24/7 blocks and dodges and Sorcs have to adapt to not being able to escape. I'm not telling you to learn how to play... I want you to learn, how to live without these things. Believe me, Nirn destroys peoples skill level and they will be the ones, who will crash like from cloud 9 when Nirn gets nerfed.

You are a better man than me. My tears haven't stopped since I heard about the unwarranted bolt escape nerf. No biggie. I have an OP magicka NB that will be able to escape anything and disappear mid fight to taunt my enemy with how OP I am and then once NB are nerfed to all hell I'll go back to my sorc.

Dracane

Araxleon wrote: »

light armor doesnt provide high-spell resist FYI I wish it did though!

1.6 made light armor bad at spell resist and armor - medium is decent in both spell resist and armor and heavy is best in spell resist and armor.

Yea, Medium armor provides more spell resistance than light armor.
Because armor=spell resistance in 1.6.... That's why I consider the spell resistance passive from the light armor tree as useless and replaceable with something else.

BuggeX

xaraan wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

And who thinks Nirn was bugged, it was not, ask yourself, if it was supposed to work like the Reinforced trait why oh why does it takes 1 month min to research, needs all other 8 previous traits researched and takes that long to get the trait stones...

It was never bugged, it was a balance decision, no matter what scared devs said afterwards because of the Sorc cryers.

I agree that nirn was never 'bugged' and they just changed it for balance (I still worry it's an over nerf b/c even with great spell resist I was getting hit hard by certain players that knew how to build their character) as it is too rare a drop rate to just work like reinforced, but you don't need all other traits researched (nor does it take a month if it's not your last trait) In fact when it first came out a lot of players researched it on an alt just to have it unlocked within the day so they could start selling pieces of nirn gear to others.

yea becaus: if you have 45k mres (most ppls have this value) you will actually mitigate 35%

31,500k is the cap - 50%
So a "good" Magicka user has arround 40% Penetration.
With 31,500k mres you just reduce the dmg by 10%

if you have 45k, you have a effective mitigation from ~75%
because the "Overflow" will be addad at the end

So with 45k mres you mitigate 35% DMG



highest armor i accived was 36k

BigTone

Araxleon wrote: »

light armor doesnt provide high-spell resist FYI I wish it did though!

1.6 made light armor bad at spell resist and armor - medium is decent in both spell resist and armor and heavy is best in spell resist and armor.

I really hope they fix the armor penetration bug, this way heavy armor will be more useful in pvp. If you wear heavy armor you sacrifice a lot in terms of magicka and stamina, you should get a bigger buff for it such as a small overall damage mitigation with 5 pieces or more.

WebBull

R0M2K wrote: »

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB

.....snip.....

Sorcs were supposed to be "dead" after 1.6. Well it certainly didn't turn out that way as we all know. Too early to start your whining about NB's being dead. Far too early. And no, they won't be dead. There needs to be a poll, which class whines the most, Sorcs or NB's. That is a tough one.

BuggeX

WebBull wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB

.....snip.....

Sorcs were supposed to be "dead" after 1.6. Well it certainly didn't turn out that way as we all know. Too early to start your whining about NB's being dead. Far too early. And no, they won't be dead. There needs to be a poll, which class whines the most, Sorcs or NB's. That is a tough one.

propl DK with the Stamreg removal from block lol

eventide03b14a_ESO

Bashev wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

You're forgetting that sorcs cant streak more than 4-5 times in a row after update 7.
The cost to streak increases by 50% each streak if you streak multiple times in a row.
After the 4th streak the 5th streak will cost 200% of the original cost, thats about 6k magicka for the 5th streak.

Any sorcs knows that you need at least 5-8 BEs if you want to escape, after update 7 sorcs wont be able to escape 8/10 times because the BE cost stacks to high, especially if you're already low on magicka.

I think literately all sorcs in Cyrodiil will have to become vamps for mist form and the sneak bonus. Escaping just with BE is not going to work with the stacking cost increase.

But you forget that people chasing you now wont hold block and you can stun them with the streak and they wont roll dodge and have 50k spell resistance. A good sorc has around 20k spell penetration and that means 90% of the players will be like naked. Then you can use the streak not for escape but to create some distance, cast mines and you are fine. Sors will be OP in 1.7 together with magicka NB.

Most of us don't use streak to stun. We use it as an escape mechanic when 5 people decide to gank the sorc in light armor and stun lock us.

R0M2K

@OdinForge i really liked your NB build, and its gonna get hurt too in 2.1

eventide03b14a_ESO

Azalin76 wrote: »

Why does everyone assume that only nb stamina attacks are capable of doing that much damage. Last I checked every class can stealth, use snipe, and use wrecking blow. Seems to me that nb is being weeded out just because we are the stealth class, I never use stealth and can one shot nearly any mob I come across with wrecking blow and I have no class abilities that add to that damage, that is all just from wearing leather armor and running a stamina build. I can do the exact same thing on my sorc or templar stamina builds.

Last I checked I don't have anything like the Master Assassin passive. Don't pretend like you don't have a bonus other classes don't have attacking from stealth.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Etaniel wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Shield Stacking is allowed but you cant stack Dodge chance... WHY???

Because you can damage someone with 100k shields but you can't dmg someone wih 100% dodge maybe?

100k shields? Are you serious?

eventide03b14a_ESO

R0M2K wrote: »

so we should only regenerate magicka while...staying completely still and indefensible? Do you even read what you type before hitting post?

You should not regenerate Magica while running / moving shealthed... Exactly the same happens to a Stamina user since beta, you would really love it.

And? That's a potion that once you use you have to wait to use it again. Even if you need it for some other stat. It's a trade off.

Whats exactly the trade off from freeing a spot in you skill bar with a cheap pot that last for quite some time negating a whole class key feature??? Seems pretty obious to me.

You have stopped making sense. Even if I didn't regenerate magicka in stealth it wouldn't effect me in the slightest. You realize they are fixing your cloak right? Also the pots don't take a slot on your skill bar, and that wasn't even my point anyway. I don't use detect pots and I have no trouble killing NBs. If you think detect pots are the problem you're mistaken.

Master_Kas

Dracane wrote: »

You can just avoid 90% of the damage in the game with roll dodge and then you can just strike and roll again and nothing can really hit you. Combined with NBs Dark cloak and this Alliance war stamina heal thing.... a nightmare. Especially for me as a Sorc, because I can't use harness Magicka against physical damage.

Bolt Escape stuns for laughable 1,5 seconds. You can just wait that 1 second to get free CC immunity for 5 seconds. Wish they would remove the stun, as it rather helps the enemy.

Good players will simply gap close bolt escape. Because the range of Bolt escape is so tiny, that you could even gap close, after I used Bolt escape 2 times when you run after me. Bolt Escape really doesn't need a nerf. But I won't complain, it's alright because OP block and OP dodge roll gets nerfed either. So I will accept this nerf and will not QQ about it
Each of us has to adapt to the upcoming changes and I can only recommend you to start right now !

Lay down your nirn gear, learn how to sustain without 24/7 blocks and dodges and Sorcs have to adapt to not being able to escape. I'm not telling you to learn how to play... I want you to learn, how to live without these things. Believe me, Nirn destroys peoples skill level and they will be the ones, who will crash like from cloud 9 when Nirn gets nerfed.

Sorry dracane but its a L2P issue. Good sorcs can take out good nighblades without big problems.
You see this every time at duel spots... Cmon now, magicka sorcs are the top class alongside stamina nightblade right now. This QQ is starting to get a little annoying when one of the two OP classes cries about the other.

EDIT: Read carefully now that I also said stam nightblades is also the top dog in pvp now together WITH sorcerers, so don't read this as a sorc qq post. Since it seems most sorc's I write this to completly ignores where I also say stamina nightblade is OP aswell.

See it More as me trying to get you to try harder to kill those NB's you find annoying because its NOT that hard if you know what you're doing. I kill most nightblades without bigger issues out in cyro (tough not the good ones xD) on my sorc which isn't even my main character

Tip: Curse -> Streak when it explodes -> Dawnbreaker of smiting (all undodgeable and does *** of damage even if someone wears 1-2x nirn. Add a CF proc or magicka detonation timed on that and its GG, RIP rollerblade xD

BigTone

Stamina nightblades will not be dead as long as Steel Tornado remains as OP as it currently is. Impulse, or any other spammable magicka AoE doesn't come close.

Master_Kas

Etaniel wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Shield Stacking is allowed but you cant stack Dodge chance... WHY???

Because you can damage someone with 100k shields but you can't dmg someone wih 100% dodge maybe?

Well not being able to damage permarollers is not a big issue for you until the next major update Mr Etaniel .

Undodgeable whip My biggest enemy

Dracane

Master_Kas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You can just avoid 90% of the damage in the game with roll dodge and then you can just strike and roll again and nothing can really hit you. Combined with NBs Dark cloak and this Alliance war stamina heal thing.... a nightmare. Especially for me as a Sorc, because I can't use harness Magicka against physical damage.

Bolt Escape stuns for laughable 1,5 seconds. You can just wait that 1 second to get free CC immunity for 5 seconds. Wish they would remove the stun, as it rather helps the enemy.

Good players will simply gap close bolt escape. Because the range of Bolt escape is so tiny, that you could even gap close, after I used Bolt escape 2 times when you run after me. Bolt Escape really doesn't need a nerf. But I won't complain, it's alright because OP block and OP dodge roll gets nerfed either. So I will accept this nerf and will not QQ about it
Each of us has to adapt to the upcoming changes and I can only recommend you to start right now !

Lay down your nirn gear, learn how to sustain without 24/7 blocks and dodges and Sorcs have to adapt to not being able to escape. I'm not telling you to learn how to play... I want you to learn, how to live without these things. Believe me, Nirn destroys peoples skill level and they will be the ones, who will crash like from cloud 9 when Nirn gets nerfed.

Sorry dracane but its a L2P issue. Good sorcs can take out good nighblades without big problems.
You see this every time at duel spots... Cmon now, magicka sorcs are the top class alongside stamina nightblade right now. This QQ is starting to get a little annoying when one of the two OP classes cries about the other.

EDIT: Read carefully now that I also said stam nightblades is also the top dog in pvp now together WITH sorcerers, so don't read this as a sorc qq post. Since it seems most sorc's I write this to completly ignores where I also say stamina nightblade is OP aswell.

See it More as me trying to get you to try harder to kill those NB's you find annoying because its NOT that hard if you know what you're doing. I kill most nightblades without bigger issues out in cyro (tough not the good ones xD) on my sorc which isn't even my main character

Tip: Curse -> Streak when it explodes -> Dawnbreaker of smiting (all undodgeable and does *** of damage even if someone wears 1-2x nirn. Add a CF proc or magicka detonation timed on that and its GG, RIP rollerblade xD

Can't really agree. Nightblades are the hardest class for me to kill and in my opinion, Magicka NBs are by far worse than stamina Nightblades. Because they have cloak up all the time and even if you hit them, they have harness Magicka up and healing ward.

And I don't even know, why you quote ME. My post was no QQ and I can't see, why you say such things to me. I didn't talk about any class being op.

Master_Kas

Dracane wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You can just avoid 90% of the damage in the game with roll dodge and then you can just strike and roll again and nothing can really hit you. Combined with NBs Dark cloak and this Alliance war stamina heal thing.... a nightmare. Especially for me as a Sorc, because I can't use harness Magicka against physical damage.

Bolt Escape stuns for laughable 1,5 seconds. You can just wait that 1 second to get free CC immunity for 5 seconds. Wish they would remove the stun, as it rather helps the enemy.

Good players will simply gap close bolt escape. Because the range of Bolt escape is so tiny, that you could even gap close, after I used Bolt escape 2 times when you run after me. Bolt Escape really doesn't need a nerf. But I won't complain, it's alright because OP block and OP dodge roll gets nerfed either. So I will accept this nerf and will not QQ about it
Each of us has to adapt to the upcoming changes and I can only recommend you to start right now !

Lay down your nirn gear, learn how to sustain without 24/7 blocks and dodges and Sorcs have to adapt to not being able to escape. I'm not telling you to learn how to play... I want you to learn, how to live without these things. Believe me, Nirn destroys peoples skill level and they will be the ones, who will crash like from cloud 9 when Nirn gets nerfed.

Sorry dracane but its a L2P issue. Good sorcs can take out good nighblades without big problems.
You see this every time at duel spots... Cmon now, magicka sorcs are the top class alongside stamina nightblade right now. This QQ is starting to get a little annoying when one of the two OP classes cries about the other.

EDIT: Read carefully now that I also said stam nightblades is also the top dog in pvp now together WITH sorcerers, so don't read this as a sorc qq post. Since it seems most sorc's I write this to completly ignores where I also say stamina nightblade is OP aswell.

See it More as me trying to get you to try harder to kill those NB's you find annoying because its NOT that hard if you know what you're doing. I kill most nightblades without bigger issues out in cyro (tough not the good ones xD) on my sorc which isn't even my main character

Tip: Curse -> Streak when it explodes -> Dawnbreaker of smiting (all undodgeable and does *** of damage even if someone wears 1-2x nirn. Add a CF proc or magicka detonation timed on that and its GG, RIP rollerblade xD

Can't really agree. Nightblades are the hardest class for me to kill and in my opinion, Magicka NBs are by far worse than stamina Nightblades. Because they have cloak up all the time and even if you hit them, they have harness Magicka up and healing ward.

And I don't even know, why you quote ME. My post was no QQ and I can't see, why you say such things to me. I didn't talk about any class being op.

Because you said nothing can hit you while dodgerolling which is totally wrong and I've seen your thread and other comments about it. Wrote to you since I think you are reasonable compared to some sorcerers in this forums.

Look at it from this side also, good sorcs shieldstacking like crazy and bolting around using those skills I mentioned are hard for me to kill also as a OP stamblade. Just trying to give you some tips and give you a view from a stam nightblade player.

I can let you log into my account and you can test my OP nightblade with 2x nirn and 2900 stam regen, 3200 weapdmg and you can duel sorcerers from arena and see if it is as easy as you think :P Since I don't think you played a stamblade at all or you would know that sorcerers played well ARE a pain in the ass xD

Then you can also duel magicka dks like Etaniel/Fluff/Nafi and magicka Nb's like The Shogun using undodgeable whips and concealed which leave you basiclly defenseless since you cannot cloak / teleport shade nearly as much as a manablade .

I'm going to bed, if you wanna test out my NB we can talk tomorrow ingame when I get back home from my vacation Take care !

Dracane

Master_Kas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You can just avoid 90% of the damage in the game with roll dodge and then you can just strike and roll again and nothing can really hit you. Combined with NBs Dark cloak and this Alliance war stamina heal thing.... a nightmare. Especially for me as a Sorc, because I can't use harness Magicka against physical damage.

Bolt Escape stuns for laughable 1,5 seconds. You can just wait that 1 second to get free CC immunity for 5 seconds. Wish they would remove the stun, as it rather helps the enemy.

Good players will simply gap close bolt escape. Because the range of Bolt escape is so tiny, that you could even gap close, after I used Bolt escape 2 times when you run after me. Bolt Escape really doesn't need a nerf. But I won't complain, it's alright because OP block and OP dodge roll gets nerfed either. So I will accept this nerf and will not QQ about it
Each of us has to adapt to the upcoming changes and I can only recommend you to start right now !

Lay down your nirn gear, learn how to sustain without 24/7 blocks and dodges and Sorcs have to adapt to not being able to escape. I'm not telling you to learn how to play... I want you to learn, how to live without these things. Believe me, Nirn destroys peoples skill level and they will be the ones, who will crash like from cloud 9 when Nirn gets nerfed.

Sorry dracane but its a L2P issue. Good sorcs can take out good nighblades without big problems.
You see this every time at duel spots... Cmon now, magicka sorcs are the top class alongside stamina nightblade right now. This QQ is starting to get a little annoying when one of the two OP classes cries about the other.

EDIT: Read carefully now that I also said stam nightblades is also the top dog in pvp now together WITH sorcerers, so don't read this as a sorc qq post. Since it seems most sorc's I write this to completly ignores where I also say stamina nightblade is OP aswell.

See it More as me trying to get you to try harder to kill those NB's you find annoying because its NOT that hard if you know what you're doing. I kill most nightblades without bigger issues out in cyro (tough not the good ones xD) on my sorc which isn't even my main character

Tip: Curse -> Streak when it explodes -> Dawnbreaker of smiting (all undodgeable and does *** of damage even if someone wears 1-2x nirn. Add a CF proc or magicka detonation timed on that and its GG, RIP rollerblade xD

Can't really agree. Nightblades are the hardest class for me to kill and in my opinion, Magicka NBs are by far worse than stamina Nightblades. Because they have cloak up all the time and even if you hit them, they have harness Magicka up and healing ward.

And I don't even know, why you quote ME. My post was no QQ and I can't see, why you say such things to me. I didn't talk about any class being op.

Because you said nothing can hit you while dodgerolling which is totally wrong and I've seen your thread and other comments about it. Wrote to you since I think you are reasonable compared to some sorcerers in this forums.

Look at it from this side also, good sorcs shieldstacking like crazy and bolting around using those skills I mentioned are hard for me to kill also as a OP stamblade. Just trying to give you some tips and give you a view from a stam nightblade player.

I can let you log into my account and you can test my OP nightblade with 2x nirn and 2900 stam regen, 3200 weapdmg and you can duel sorcerers from arena and see if it is as easy as you think :P Since I don't think you played a stamblade at all or you would know that sorcerers played well ARE a pain in the ass xD

Then you might be aware, that I said, 90% of all damage is dodgeable. If this number is true or not... you know what I mean.
I use curse and streak. But really good NBs while simply block the curse explosion, making it basically useless.

I'm not even interested in arguing with you, as I don't even understand, why you talk to me at all. Because I wasn't qqing and didn't call Nightblades OP in this thread. All I wanted to say, is that the upcoming changes aren't something, that people can't adapt to.

eventide03b14a_ESO

BigTone wrote: »

Stamina nightblades will not be dead as long as Steel Tornado remains as OP as it currently is. Impulse, or any other spammable magicka AoE doesn't come close.

When was the last time you saw someone cast impulse in PvP?

BigTone

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

Stamina nightblades will not be dead as long as Steel Tornado remains as OP as it currently is. Impulse, or any other spammable magicka AoE doesn't come close.

When was the last time you saw someone cast impulse in PvP?

Really? Anytime I go near a zergball, I get the 10% health debuff from impulse. The damage itself is minimal, but the 10% health debuff combined with four other steel tornados is death.

lathbury

WebBull wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB

.....snip.....

Sorcs were supposed to be "dead" after 1.6. Well it certainly didn't turn out that way as we all know. Too early to start your whining about NB's being dead. Far too early. And no, they won't be dead. There needs to be a poll, which class whines the most, Sorcs or NB's. That is a tough one.

i see more templars than nb's tbh

eliisra

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

Stamina nightblades will not be dead as long as Steel Tornado remains as OP as it currently is. Impulse, or any other spammable magicka AoE doesn't come close.

When was the last time you saw someone cast impulse in PvP?

Some organized raids still use 1 Pulsar spammer for the health debuff tho lol.

But rest is like 70% Steel Tornado + Caltrops and maybe 30% Proxi Deto.

So unless meta moves away from zerg-blobbing, stamina builds will still dominate.

Anyway, this thread is ridiculous. Stamblades will still be able to cloak 4-5 times in a row(cant say the same for stamina sorcs and BE) and mix it up with multiple dodges, that now conveniently avoids both Whip and Concealed Weapon. Your average Legolas wannabe will also have access to Vigor, since it drops to Assault rank 5.

R0M2K

Even if I didn't regenerate magicka in stealth it wouldn't effect me in the slightest. You realize they are fixing your cloak right? Also the pots don't take a slot on your skill bar, and that wasn't even my point anyway.

Theres other classes that use Magica and Shealth, ill give you a hint letter, N.

The thing is detect pot replicates the function of a skill freeing you that spot to slot a different skill, hope you get it now.

Yeah, cloack is said to be fixed, after....2 years... and theres already "people" complaining.

Eejit1331

R0M2K wrote: »

Even if I didn't regenerate magicka in stealth it wouldn't effect me in the slightest. You realize they are fixing your cloak right? Also the pots don't take a slot on your skill bar, and that wasn't even my point anyway.

Theres other classes that use Magica and Shealth, ill give you a hint letter, N.

The thing is detect pot replicates the function of a skill freeing you that spot to slot a different skill, hope you get it now.

Yeah, cloack is said to be fixed, after....2 years... and theres already "people" complaining.

That's what happens when other classes cry and get abilities unnecessarily nerfed. Maybe all those crying nightblade should have keep their mouth shut about Bolt escape. Cloak is way more op, but yet both escape gets the nerf. Ultimately, it's the devs faultlt for believing the cries. MMO communities are so stupid. They cry and cry until every class is a care bear, and the devs are even worse for listening. I'm not just pissed about the nerf to bolt escape, but the ripples that will come there after. Devs need to fix this asap.