2.1= Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB.

R0M2K · July 2015

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB

1- 50% shields but 50% & 50% all dmg nerf.

This means that the ttk will be higher while sorcs keep the same efective ratio on their shields, longer time to regenerate magica & recast shields when necesary. NB burst dead, a suposed key feature of the class.

2- Nirhoned nerf.

This means that sorcs will continue to have high spell res due to their light armor tree pasives, heavy armor will continue to have high spell&phys resistance and the most affected will be medium armor users due to no pasive in the medium armor tree that increases spell and/or phys res, mediocre resistance to both spells & phys attacks = paper to both sorcs and phys attacks and 0 burst to compensate because point 1.

3- Dodge roll nerf.

Instead of nerfing the gear that makes posible for a few players to perma-dodge, the only thing they can do is annoy btw, you nerf the key feature of medium armor.

Dodging allows you to move how far? 5 meters? How far does Bolt scape allow sorcs to move?
Dodge roll is a skill? NO. Bolt scape IS.
Dodge roll stuns or damage oponent? Bolt scape does.
Is perma-roll avaliable to all classes? Yes. And bolt scape? No.

So you are nerfing a mechanic extremely tied to a type of armor, sorcs have shields, stamina NB had dodge, but you are comparing a mitigation mechanic with a all-in-one skill that is Bolt scape.

Im rolling 2-3 times in a row, strategic reasons, not even close a perma-roller, using the pasives as intended and i will be punished for nothing.

4- Shield stacking.

So Sorcs can stack Shields but can NB stack Dodge chane? NO, Evasion (Medium armor) does not stack with Blur (NB) nor with Specter set (8-trait crafted set)... Shield stacking is ok but dodge stacking not.

5- Shealth medium armor bonus? Detect potion / Mage light.

6- Regenerate magica while runing / moving shealthed ? No problem.
Regenerate Stamina while runing / moving shealthed AND NOW blocking? No Way.

And on and on and on... just because a bunch of QQ noob sorcs get owned like they should, instead of watching some mainstream youtube tutorials or simply LTP... just like making Vigor rank 5, removing any pride left in earning you ranks.

Know you gona destroy Medium armor in PvP if you push live those changes, and ill cancel my sub, not that it may matter to you ZoS to have 1 less subscriber, but hey, ill feel much better not suporting the joke medium armor NB is gonna be.

The game was pretty balanced, 2.1 is gonna be a total mess... Oh and the "dont worry cos we adding shield penetration gear" its crap, totally crap to have to gear against shields and a terribaaad solution, more of a "patch" than a real balance.

Haha lol, you can even find "things" complaining about NB cloack being fixed AFTER amost 2 years to work as it should.... Wtf??!!! how many times can a Stamina NB cloack before runing out of magica???!!!.

Here, for you fanboys, enjoy your game:

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BuggeX · July 2015

BALANCED? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

tell me more about the 20k snipe to my 30k heavy armor dk
tell me more about the 15k wrecking blow
tell me more about the endless dogeroll
tell me more about the 8k steeltornado
tell me more about 9k crit. rush

well just a QQ NB xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

R0M2K · July 2015

And who thinks Nirn was bugged, it was not, ask yourself, if it was supposed to work like the Reinforced trait why oh why does it takes 1 month min to research, needs all other 8 previous traits researched and takes that long to get the trait stones...

It was never bugged, it was a balance decision, no matter what scared devs said afterwards because of the Sorc cryers.

BEZDNA · July 2015

Welcome to the live of DK, they got nerfs so many times becous ppl complaind a lot about how OP they are, glad that it is time for OP NB to be nerfed too!

R0M2K · July 2015

If you, as a heavy armor DK, got hit by a 20k Snipe (shealth) you really deserved:

1- Magelight
2- Hold Block
3- Roll
4- Flappy Wings

If you, as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 15k (crit) wrecking blow:

1- Mage light
2- Hold Block
3- Roll

If you as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 8k (crit) steel tornado:

1- Hold Block
3- Roll
4- Dont stand in the middle of the zerg, you are not Leroy.

If you as a heavy armor DK got hit by a 9k (crit) critical rush:

1- Hold Block
2- Roll

I maybe a QQ NB, but you seriously need some LTP lessons and deserved those hits, besides all where crit hits or coming from shealth.

As a medium armor user ive never, NEVER, been hit harder than 15k snipes or whatever, so you must be doing something really bad.

Ppl like you are getting the game nerfed into ridiculness.

Shealthy classes ARE supposed to hit hard, burst you know, after that initial burst... Rip/flee.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

BuggeX · July 2015

so you are saying 1hits from stealth are ok?

and are balanced?

and btw, ofc i run arround with magelight, on both bars to avoid this ***.

not

just becaus you cant 1hit anymore you flame of a req, Change?

ohh and right, i run around 24/7 in cyro with block and perma cast my wings to avoid geting hit by 20k

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Farorin · July 2015

I am also thinking that Stam NBs are going to get hit really hard with this one. Sorcs I can almost never kill due to shield stacking and bolt escape, I currently kill DKs easier (though they are still kind of hard). The only exception to this is if I get a sneak attack off. A sneak attack is literally the only way I will be able to kill somebody, because without that, I do not have enough health, or resitances, or any heals or shields to survive after that. So sometimes I can dodge roll away, but even then, it isn't foolproof.

JD2013 · July 2015

Sorc OP?

Hahahahahahahaha.

No.

Teiji · July 2015

Two handed mace is bugged, ignores insane amount of armor.

No class is op, the game is just riddled with so many bugs that when utilised, accidentally, intentionally and so on on a large scale it appears classes are op when it is in fact, the bugs are op.

Never forget, we must remain steadfast in the face of the bug menace.

#NirnhonedBug
#SharpenedBug
#NerfBugsNotClasses

R0M2K · July 2015

So you state that you get 1shoot being a DK and wearing Heavy Armor?

You Sir LIE.

R0M2K · July 2015

Ye, Sorc OP, if you are a Sorc and you are not OP you not playing it right, feel free to check some Deltia or Sypher videos.

JD2013 · July 2015

Sorc are far from OP. I'm dying a lot less in PVP now that I've tinkered and taken advice, but light armour? Yeah, so protective. The biggest survivability skill we have is Hardened Ward. Crystal Fragments take time to cast and can be easily blocked or avoided. Bolt escape is rarely used by me as I would rather stand my ground and fight. Pets can be killed easily.

But please go on about how OP we are when we are being sniped from afar or lava whipped to death or spam feared

Rune_Relic · July 2015

Teiji wrote: »

Two handed mace is bugged, ignores insane amount of armor.

No class is op, the game is just riddled with so many bugs that when utilised, accidentally, intentionally and so on on a large scale it appears classes are op when it is in fact, the bugs are op.

Never forget, we must remain steadfast in the face of the bug menace.

#NirnhonedBug
#SharpenedBug
#NerfBugsNotClasses

QFT.
The op raises good points....but just as much of a problem is everyone exploiting broken mechanics to the max.
None of the updates will fix those exploits.
Saying that...as a stamina NB ...I still don't think 1 shot kills from stealth are acceptable unless the target has already lost a lot of health.
NBs should be the assassination skill on the battlefield to finish players off.

Quite a few one shots happen because....low health + high dps anyway.

Ephany · July 2015

At least you're not a Templar.

Master_Kas · July 2015

Sorcs far from OP ?? That's like a stamblade saying they're not OP

Magicka sorc + stam nb = top in pvp atm. And I'm saying that even if My main is a stam nb.
But ofcourse people will defend their OPness.

@R0M2K do not worry. Whichever class turns into the strongest,will get hit hard with the nerf hammer even if it takes a long time. There is no reasoning with some people here on these forums so don't even bother man.

Master_Kas · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

Sorc are far from OP. I'm dying a lot less in PVP now that I've tinkered and taken advice, but light armour? Yeah, so protective. The biggest survivability skill we have is Hardened Ward. Crystal Fragments take time to cast and can be easily blocked or avoided. Bolt escape is rarely used by me as I would rather stand my ground and fight. Pets can be killed easily.

But please go on about how OP we are when we are being sniped from afar or lava whipped to death or spam feared

My stamina rollerblade is not OP either, neither is My troll build who can oneshot peeps with 20k+ snipes

But if you are serious about feeling weak as sorc : L2P

JD2013 · July 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Sorc are far from OP. I'm dying a lot less in PVP now that I've tinkered and taken advice, but light armour? Yeah, so protective. The biggest survivability skill we have is Hardened Ward. Crystal Fragments take time to cast and can be easily blocked or avoided. Bolt escape is rarely used by me as I would rather stand my ground and fight. Pets can be killed easily.

But please go on about how OP we are when we are being sniped from afar or lava whipped to death or spam feared

My stamina rollerblade is not OP either, neither is My troll build who can oneshot peeps with 20k+ snipes

But if you are serious about feeling weak as sorc : L2P

Hahahahahaha lovely trolling

I do play. And kill more than my fair share. Did I say I felt weak anywhere? No. But Sorc are far from the strongest class. Very far from it. And you just admitted that you have a troll build dude that snipes for 20k.

Maybe a little less L2P and a little more constructive criticism? Just a suggestion

R0M2K · July 2015

Shield Stacking is allowed but you cant stack Dodge chance... WHY???

Merlin13KAGL · July 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

But if you are serious about feeling weak as sorc : L2P

I don't recall reading anyone saying they felt weak as a Sorc, but there are so many flaws in the OP QQ, it's hardly worth the time to chip away at them.

It's been covered in half a dozen other threads.

The one thing the OP got right, though, it is most definitely a L2P issue.

Alphashado · July 2015

I'm pretty sick and tired of people constantly whining and begging for nerfs. Nerf this! Nerf that! Neow!

When will you guys understand that there will ALWAYS be meta builds in pvp? As soon as one class gets nerfed, another class/build is right there to become FOTM.

The only thing this constant whining does is screw everything up in pve.

KingKush · July 2015

Someone clearly has been getting destroyed by sorcs. L2p

Master_Kas · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Sorc are far from OP. I'm dying a lot less in PVP now that I've tinkered and taken advice, but light armour? Yeah, so protective. The biggest survivability skill we have is Hardened Ward. Crystal Fragments take time to cast and can be easily blocked or avoided. Bolt escape is rarely used by me as I would rather stand my ground and fight. Pets can be killed easily.

But please go on about how OP we are when we are being sniped from afar or lava whipped to death or spam feared

My stamina rollerblade is not OP either, neither is My troll build who can oneshot peeps with 20k+ snipes

But if you are serious about feeling weak as sorc : L2P

Hahahahahaha lovely trolling

I do play. And kill more than my fair share. Did I say I felt weak anywhere? No. But Sorc are far from the strongest class. Very far from it. And you just admitted that you have a troll build dude that snipes for 20k.

Maybe a little less L2P and a little more constructive criticism? Just a suggestion

Sor is not "far far from strongest class". It is THE strongest class alongside stamina nightblades right now. Denying it just shows that you are another one of those who can't be argued with.

So what if I got a trollgank build? Didn't I already write that stamblades are also the strongest class atm alongside sorcs?
Just for your information, I cannot one/twoshot people on my rollerbuild. They are two seperate builds.

But go ahead, play your OP class and keep saying its far far from the strongest class

Edit: about criticism, whats the point? I've tried that already to all sorcs claiming they are not the top class atm along side nightblades right now. So no more arguing from me, you can get it from someone else

BigTone · July 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

And who thinks Nirn was bugged, it was not, ask yourself, if it was supposed to work like the Reinforced trait why oh why does it takes 1 month min to research, needs all other 8 previous traits researched and takes that long to get the trait stones...

It was never bugged, it was a balance decision, no matter what scared devs said afterwards because of the Sorc cryers.

The bolded part above is completely false. ZoS already stated that nirn is not "working as intended" and should only effect the specific piece of armor, not overall spell resist. Thank God it will finally be fixed with the next patch.

R0M2K wrote: »

2.1=Sorcs OP, Dead Stamina NB

1- 50% shields but 50% & 50% all dmg nerf.

This means that the ttk will be higher while sorcs keep the same efective ratio on their shields, longer time to regenerate magica & recast shields when necesary. NB burst dead, a suposed key feature of the class.

2- Nirhoned nerf. fix

This means that sorcs will continue to have high spell res due to their light armor tree pasives, heavy armor will continue to have high spell&phys resistance and the most affected will be medium armor users due to no pasive in the medium armor tree that increases spell and/or phys res, mediocre resistance to both spells & phys attacks = paper to both sorcs and phys attacks and 0 burst to compensate because point 1.

Anyone can wear light armor.

Master_Kas · July 2015

KingKush wrote: »

Someone clearly has been getting destroyed by sorcs. L2p

If you ment me, I do not get destroyed by sorcs.
I duel toe to toe with some of the bests sorcs. Even have one of my own which I play from time to time.
Just sick of all sorc-deniers, which are just as annoying as stamblades defending themselves claiming they're not OP.

GaldorP · July 2015

The penalty for continuous dodge-rolling was needed, given how few skills will get through dodge-rolls in the next major update. The first dodgeroll you do still costs the same, so this nerf really only affects excessive continuous dodge-rolling which really was becoming a problem (I'm saying that as someone who had a Stamina DK build that dodgerolled a lot in PvP back in Update 1-4 already when almost everyone played Magicka builds, especially DKs, in Light Armor).

The globally reduced damage and reduced power of damage shields without global increase of skill cost and/or global reduction of Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery will lead to more fights that never end, in my opinion. Especially in 1v1 situations.

I originally proposed the following changes in this wish list thread for AvA:

GaldorP wrote: »

Globally reduce all damage done in Cyrodiil by about 50%.

Globally reduce Health/Stamina/Magicka Recovery in combat in Cyrodiil by about 80%.

Increase Magicka and Stamina Cost of all skills by about 50%.

Globally reduce the amount of healing received in Cyrodiil by about 80%.

Reduce the health of NPCs and monsters by ~50% and the amount of damage they deal by ~25%.

I still think that these changes would make AvA more interesting with a longer TTK and more strategic use of skills/blocking/dodgerolls/light and heavy attacks.

Edit: I like the change that blocking will negate natural Stamina Recovery now. That makes blocking more strategic and adds a downside to perma-blockcasting. I would go even further: I think blocking should negate Magicka and Health Recovery as well (at least in PvP), or Magicka builds that have low Stamina Recovery anyway still get almost no penalty for perma-blockcasting.

OzJohnD · July 2015

huh ?

Master_Kas · July 2015

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Anyone can wear light armor.

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I'm so gonna steal this meme

Hm did something wrong when quoting (o.O)

BuggeX · July 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Anyone can wear light armor.

I'm so gonna steal this meme
Hm did something wrong when quoting (o.O)

you double Close it.

[.Quote] to open it
[./Quote] to Close it

without the dot ofc

ADarklore · July 2015

We had this same exact problem in DCUO as well... people would come on to the forums and CRY about how 'this power or that power' was OP, when in reality, it was THEIR OWN fault for not learning THEIR powers and improving their buildsto keep up. The only reason a class in ESO would APPEAR OP, is because that player has min/maxed their skills, attributes, armor, etc... and made themselves strong. The majority of players do not fall into this category, which is why there is continuous whining and arguments. A player comes across a few min/maxers who destroy them, and they cry 'this class is too OP' when in reality, those players developed their build and honed their skills to maximize themselves- but this is FAR from meaning the 'entire class' is OP.

If you find yourself getting beaten by a specific class, then it is high time you come online and do some research, watch some very effective videos for your chosen class and learn how to min/max your build and skills. DO NOT simply whine about it but put no effort into bettering yourself! This also includes those who have this fallacy that they should be able to pick ANY ability they want because 'they like the pretty lights' and do the same damage across the board... they don't want to pick the most effective skills... so then they also cry 'the other classes are OP', but again, it is their own fault for not choosing to implement and hone the most effective skills.

R0M2K · July 2015

Well, who cares, time to find greener pastures.

Bashev · July 2015

@R0M2K
Dead stamina NB? Maybe but first we have to wait to see all the changes. At least magicka NB is supposed to be really OP if they do not nerf cloak as BE. So you can respect and you will be again on top of the food chain.