Plz remove champions points

Rev Rielle · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

No, thankfully most players aren't like this. Their enjoyment of the game is largely independent of other players, what those players' characters are doing, how good they characters are, what they're wearing, etc etc.

Players looking for a perfect system; keep looking. Because it sure isn't here in ESOTU. But I think you'll find no system is perfect, anywhere. When human element is involved - as in all MMOs - there is no such thing as true balance or 'fairness' unless you completely stifle any incentive or progress to the point of complete staleness.

The eventual removal of Veteran Ranks and the continued evolution of Champion Points is big step in the right direction. It's just a shame some players seem too insular and angry they can't seem to appreciate that in the wider context.

I wouldnt agree more with you . If this game Was ESWF. but its not and there is PVP involved.

Im really sorry all defender of champion sytem , im really sorry for wanting to give new player a chance in pvp . im really really sorry

No one's saying the system's perfect. But if you want to elicit change, you do know that they way you're going about it possibly the single worst way. You're not helping anyone or anything, and no one will take you seriously with the negative attitude you're portraying on the forum just now. Instead of continually saying how bad things are an how things should be removed all the time, perhaps could you suggest some positive alternatives? I'm sure you've ideas beyond 'remove this' and 'remove that'. If you want change be the catalyst for it. Negative provocateurs never achieve anything on forums.

Molsondry · June 2015

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

No, thankfully most players aren't like this. Their enjoyment of the game is largely independent of other players, what those players' characters are doing, how good they characters are, what they're wearing, etc etc.

Players looking for a perfect system; keep looking. Because it sure isn't here in ESOTU. But I think you'll find no system is perfect, anywhere. When human element is involved - as in all MMOs - there is no such thing as true balance or 'fairness' unless you completely stifle any incentive or progress to the point of complete staleness.

The eventual removal of Veteran Ranks and the continued evolution of Champion Points is big step in the right direction. It's just a shame some players seem too insular and angry they can't seem to appreciate that in the wider context.

I wouldnt agree more with you . If this game Was ESWF. but its not and there is PVP involved.

Im really sorry all defender of champion sytem , im really sorry for wanting to give new player a chance in pvp . im really really sorry

No one's saying the system's perfect. But if you want to elicit change, you do know that they way you're going about it possibly the single worst way. You're not helping anyone or anything, and no one will take you seriously with the negative attitude you're portraying on the forum just now. Instead of continually saying how bad things are an how things should be removed all the time, perhaps could you suggest some positive alternatives? I'm sure you've ideas beyond 'remove this' and 'remove that'. If you want change be the catalyst for it. Negative provocateurs never achieve anything on forums.

Im sorry I dont have any alternative but removing the cp system. It has no place in an mmo with pvp...

On the other hands no one bring a real good agrue to keep it , no one prooved it was a good system,only argu we see is : Stop crying 10% doesnt change anything if you have skill.(wich is all but true)

There is already numerous tread about it and they are all about how this system is broken.

What alternative do you have sir?

P3ZZL3 · June 2015

@Molsondry So, as I'm trying to be constructive and really not sure whether to laugh or cry...

You want to remove the Championship system, the WHOLE system, because you only have 150 points and others have 400+ (a minority I hasten to add)....????

You joined in April. I joined in January and only have 181. I know others with less than you who joined April 2014 and others who have a lot more.

Zos are aware of the difference (as small as it really is) and are working on a PVP Fix (Have a look in the PVP Forum). Even @ZOS_BrianWheeler has confirmed it.

halfbadger · June 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

(as small as it really is)

It is not a small difference.

Molsondry · June 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Molsondry So, as I'm trying to be constructive and really not sure whether to laugh or cry...

You want to remove the Championship system, the WHOLE system, because you only have 150 points and others have 400+ (a minority I hasten to add)....????

You joined in April. I joined in January and only have 181. I know others with less than you who joined April 2014 and others who have a lot more.

Zos are aware of the difference (as small as it really is) and are working on a PVP Fix (Have a look in the PVP Forum). Even @ZOS_BrianWheeler has confirmed it.

What are you talking about I dont want them to remove the champions point because I have 150 and some have 400 + like I mentioned earlier I stopped playing 2 month ago and I would have more then that if I havent stop.

I want to scrap it for all the reason mentioned above . Can you read?. nhaaa plz before posting read the thread ive bring up full of argu on how the system is broken (infite ressourcesimpossible catch up , an unfreidnly new player system etc..)
It has nothing to do with me

Plz dont post useless thread.!!!

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2015

Welcome to the life-cycle of a product.

Rev Rielle · June 2015

I am no sir. I am not the one demanding change, you are. I do not need an alternative because I am content. It's not perfect, but it could be worse. I'm happy for what we've got, and I know there will be tweaks in the future - as has already been stated in this thread above by others. If you'd like any evidence of that one just has to look back over the last year at the continual improves to the game: It's heading in the right direction.

I PvP, and have since the beginning. My character is not veteran rank 14 yet, though I've spent a lot of time playing them, I do not have 100 CP yet, though I don't let that hold me back. It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game, PvE-wise or PvP-wise. It's a challenge and I enjoy that. Yes, I don't have a chance against some players in PvP and never will, but I'm okay with that. I don't have to be the 'best', I just want to enjoy myself when I log on and play the game, and I do.

Everyone knows CP's are here to stay in one form or another. The players that can't handle that I guess perhaps should look somewhere else to find enjoyment for their free time.

Molsondry · June 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

(as small as it really is)

It is not a small difference.

@ 3600 champion point you have a bonus of 14k health /stam/magika that stack with passive bonus from skill lines so its more like 16k of each . Thats almost more stats then you have at vr 14 in full gear with all points balanced. LOL

add on that 25% bonus on every damn aspect of the game and infinite ressource regen + a damn god huge health regen..

Tonnopesce · June 2015

Nah CP are not the main issue, since i've tranferred to PS4 i play in pvp most of the time against people without CP and with my vr1 nightblade i still suffer against a skilled DK and i'm at 120 CP so by your logic the others vr 1 sould never be able to kill me...

Molsondry · June 2015

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Nah CP are not the main issue, since i've tranferred to PS4 i play in pvp most of the time against people without CP and with my vr1 nightblade i still suffer against a skilled DK and i'm at 120 CP so by your logic the others vr 1 sould never be able to kill me...

What tell you he doesnt have Cp also. And if he is a tank DK he counter you btw. and 120 champions is not yet enough to carry a low skilled player.

Molsondry · June 2015

delete

lsneakl · June 2015

gresiac wrote: »

Deal with it im only championlevel 200 you dont see me cry or *** about it

Console is where the money is at and your not going to keep them around if PVP is not even slanted it's a cliff after the top players.

Personally i don't know yet but they need to drastically divide PVP if CP makes players boosted that much. I know this is an MMO but there needs to be balance of WHO you are in PVP with. I think it's pretty telling a smaller minority play PVP and than add on top a few really bad experiences of PVP for new players and your doomed to keep it that way.

Would any of the CP top end players only want to face themselves though? No because they want the ability to gank new players and veterans who don't grind for CP.

Tell people all you want to deal with it but there is enough other places in this game to use up time for the average gamer so it's really you and other PVP players who lose out without having growing numbers in the PVP ranks.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

What tell you he doesnt have Cp also. And if he is a tank DK he counter you btw. and 120 champions is not yet enough to carry a low skilled player.

o.O !!! see, player's skill > CP power. Glad you see it now.

halfbadger · June 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

o.O !!! see, player's skill > CP power. Glad you see it now.

No. The best player in the world using 0 CPs will not be able to beat an average player that has 3600 CPs.

The Uninvited · June 2015

Played some PVP yesterday evening (EU server). Whole group was players below V14 and just under 200 CP, managed to take two keeps...

Molsondry · June 2015

The Uninvited wrote: »

Played some PVP yesterday evening (EU server). Whole group was players below V14 and just under 200 CP, managed to take two keeps...

You havent faced any real hardcore player then LOL

halfbadger wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

o.O !!! see, player's skill > CP power. Glad you see it now.

No. The best player in the world using 0 CPs will not be able to beat an mediocre player that has 3600 CPs.

Here I fixed it.

And no 120 cp is not enough to make a mediocre player wins against a good player with 0.But 120 cp is only 1/30 what you can earn in CP and no the best skilled player eso ever had with 0 cp wouldnt stand even have a slight chance agaisnt the worse eso player eso ever had with 3600 Cp them having equal gear/level thinking the guy with 3.6k will simply has double the ressiyrce, double the regen (infinite rgen in other word) and more then 30% stronger in every damn aspect of the game. The most skilled player eso ever had wouldnt even be able to tickle the worse player eso ever had if he had 3600 cp and the best had 0

That are all facts proven by this website

http://asolutionaday.com/calculators-index/

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

ElricFrancis · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Or if you dont want to.

Remove trials and DSA scoreboard, Remove Cyrodill and any kind of PVP, and sell you game as ESWF (elder scroll with friends).

TY

See. Take take take. Don't we have enough developers that take away for the sake of balance?
How about a version of pvp that disables all champ and Vet perks?
How about setting up pvp instances separated by every ten levels?
The rewards could be color coded so people know what version you got by color and maybe even damage/perks?

Least be fair to all players not just be selfish and worry about yourself.

Zyle · June 2015

k9mouse · June 2015

I like the Champion System (CS). Over time, the return of CS vs those who do have it will be less return per higher level. The system will fix itself over time and I am not worry about it. For example, at higher levels an old player with A LOT of Champion Point (CP) will only get like 0.001% increased while a new player will get 1% increased for the same CP.

Molsondry · June 2015

k9mouse wrote: »

I like the Champion System (CS). Over time, the return of CS vs those who do have it will be less return per higher level. The system will fix itself over time and I am not worry about it. For example, at higher levels an old player with A LOT of Champion Point (CP) will only get like 0.001% increased while a new player will get 1% increased for the same CP.

If only you looked at the website I linked

No its doesnt work like this. At 30 points invested in a tree you already have almost all the diminshing return. its capped at .1 % and doesnt go under. there is no demishing return past like 50 points in a tree.

So no its not like your saying its really far from it actualy.

For exemple If I have points invested in

Mage - Apprentice - Elemental Expert

100: 25% increased
200: 40% increased
400 : 65% increased.
1200: 142 % increased

Demishing return is almost non existent . Plz take time to read and look at the threads before saying false affirmative

And im not even talking about the magika stats increase here. wich make it even more overpowered.

source : http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/mage/apprentice/elemental-expert-star-calculator/

The Uninvited · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Played some PVP yesterday evening (EU server). Whole group was players below V14 and just under 200 CP, managed to take two keeps...

You havent faced any real hardcore player then LOL

you have no idea what your talking about so plz dont post.

We did face some hardcore players and yes, they wiped us. What I am trying to say, is that their is still room in PVP for players who are not V14, don't have over 300 CP or more and still manage to have fun, kill some enemies and take a keep once in a while.

I don't know you personally, but if you keep drawing your conclusions like that and tell people you don't know anything about to not post, the only thing you are going to accomplish is that eventually people will stop listening to you.

Have a nice day!

tidus8690 · June 2015

k9mouse wrote: »

I like the Champion System (CS). Over time, the return of CS vs those who do have it will be less return per higher level. The system will fix itself over time and I am not worry about it. For example, at higher levels an old player with A LOT of Champion Point (CP) will only get like 0.001% increased while a new player will get 1% increased for the same CP.

So your logic is that it's ok because eventually it'll be even, but until then we will keep the borked system?

Molsondry · June 2015

tidus8690 wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I like the Champion System (CS). Over time, the return of CS vs those who do have it will be less return per higher level. The system will fix itself over time and I am not worry about it. For example, at higher levels an old player with A LOT of Champion Point (CP) will only get like 0.001% increased while a new player will get 1% increased for the same CP.

So your logic is that it's ok because eventually it'll be even, but until then we will keep the borked system?

If guys like him could actualy read the post and check the link and get there information they would know it wont even out , not at all. And anyway I think like you its not because it will eventually even out thats its a OK

Edit source :http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/

k9mouse · June 2015

tidus8690 wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I like the Champion System (CS). Over time, the return of CS vs those who do have it will be less return per higher level. The system will fix itself over time and I am not worry about it. For example, at higher levels an old player with A LOT of Champion Point (CP) will only get like 0.001% increased while a new player will get 1% increased for the same CP.

So your logic is that it's ok because eventually it'll be even, but until then we will keep the borked system?

ZOS will keep an eye on power level of players and they will make adjustments as needed. It is a new system and I think people are just over reacting to something is not even here yet.

If to many players get like 1200 CP (that will take forever to get that many), ZOS can always increased number of points a new player gets, or give new players more % per point or reduced the amount of XP is needed for new players and increased the amount of XP for players who have a lot of CP's.

Besides, I am not worry about it. I enjoy my own game and I am not worry about what Mr. Sloppy Joe Player or Mr & Mrs. Doe player is doing. What is important to me to have fun. The system is new and the "problem" that the OP is talking about is not even here yet. ZOS has options to correct the "problem" if they are needed.

JD2013 · June 2015

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Sharakor · June 2015

I've began to like champion points, even though I started playing a month ago (after quitting for 7 months). I only have 27 CP right now and I still enjoy PvP even against people with 100+

Molsondry · June 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now there is no place for an progession system like the CP on.

Champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

Sensesfail13 · June 2015

The guy is obviously frustrated and he comes here to find some type of answers, like most of the player base, and all he gets are people bashing him. His grievances are well founded and this game is in major decline, we need something to fix it and expand it, and we need it now. Ive pretty much stopped playing other than to feed my horses and was pretty angry when I was hoping for at least some form of a decent patch this week and I log in to the forums to see " NO PC UPDATE FOR THE WEEK OF JUNE 22ND" yea.... so you go forum trolls. Keep pushing away all of the new players that are frustrated with the game... in the long run its not in any of our best interests to be pricks about the things zenimax has refused to fix thus far.

(Just an fyi, the game was liked more before patch 1.6 and it was a better more balanced game overall. Have fun with your exploiting.)

JD2013 · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?

Molsondry · June 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?

Sorry for my bad english I edited my post.

No I dont want champions point. and I dont wanna work for them either . I want to get in the game pvp and log off. right now if you wanna be competitive you have to grind 8hour/day. nonsense system