Console text chat discussion

HabOh · June 2015

Germal wrote: »

But im sure at that point that Zenimax didnt make this game for MMORPG players, they made it for fans of the singleplayer games, with the little koop bonus. That Voice chat only doesnt work, reasons are all in this thread

I agree. This game wasn't created for the typical MMORPG-enthusiast. I could tell from the moment I started playing. It feels like a console game and for me and my buddies, that's a great thing. The PC Version, I feel, was basically a massive paid beta-test for what the more definitive experience would be.

I'm not entirely sure what others are expecting but the in-game voice chat has been working fine. I just wish it didn't automatically throw you into Area-Chat, no one wants to here somebody's kid running around! Haha. Outside of the in-game chat, I use Party Chat (PSN). Pretty much the go-to since this sort of thing was introduced with Xbox Live.

r.kolasab14_ESO wrote: »

game will be empty in 3 months if they dont add text chat

I highly doubt that. Most of the community that is adamant on text-only will leave but I'd reckon that isn't that large of a slice of the pie.

StaticWax · June 2015

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Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

Oh, so is this now an implicit admission that voice chat is not an effective means of communication in the open world? I comprehend just fine, you have yet to demonstrate how this magical discipline is going to occur where only voice chat exists as a means of communication. Is the guild MOTD supposed to provide enough info for this magical 'discipline' that you speak of? How are the console players to find guilds that are compatible with them ingame? If you state that they should look here at these forums, that is then another tacit admission that text communication is vital for that level of detail.

So far, your side of the debate has literally been reduced to stating that you do not want text chat available as an option because you fear that it will be the popular choice and fewer people will be on the voice channels to be spammed with whatever noise pollution you folks enjoy creating.

Would you be in favor of these forums being taken down and replaced with a voice chat room? If not, why?

Whaa? No, those words mean exactly what the English dictionary dictates the meaning to be. This is where reading comprehension really pays off.

So apparently you expect some demonstration of sorts? My guild communicates just fine with voice chat. We respect one another & only invite players who are like minded. If you invite voip spam into your guild, that's your problem, not mine.

Now, if you would like me to comment on voice or text in zone chat, my only reference was that it wouldn't be impossible. FFS, we put a man on the moon, broke the sound barrier, invented the wheel, built the pyramids. You're trying to tell me that if there was a real effort put forth, that no matter what measures were taken to insure success, the feat of disciplined chat is impossible? Huh... if the human race thought that pessimistically, we would all be living in the woods, crapping where we sleep. But you can live in your head all you like, it's not my world. My world has solutions, not problems.

And if you think that the only arguments against text are the ones you've listed, you haven't read (or comprehended) the posts in this thread. I've posted my opinion, which have nothing to do with your grand deduction.

Since I'm feeling generous, I'll even address your (hopefully) facetious question about whether I would be in favor of changing the forums to voice from text. My answer is thus:

r.kolasab14_ESO · June 2015

No1 wants text only people want text chat as option.im pretty sure most the players want text chat as a option just most don't post on forums.

Amiculi · June 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

Another thing if they add chat text the players who don't want it and turn it off will splits up the community even more between the ones who want a chat box and the the ones who want only voice.For me and others if we turn off the chat box then the players who only use chat box will be separate from the ones who do not want to use it.The community is already split up into 3 alliances adding a chat box will splinter the community even more between the ones who won't use it and the ones who will.

One last thing if you want the community to be strong and for the game to do will then lets build up a community in the game with what we have already. That won't happen by splitting the community into two groups. In my honest opinion anyone can disagree with me but I believe adding it will kill the game more then not having text chat by splitting the community into 2 the game will die even quicker.

Are you implying that those of us who just turn off voice chat aren't already splitting it?

If anything that just means we'll join voice chat when there's something going on that necessitates it, i.e., groups running dungeons/pvp/whatever.

As is we're all deaf and dumb insofar as communication goes.

Also, my friend ran into someone out in the middle of nowhere lastnight having sex with their mic on in area chat... soooo that's just great.

StaticWax · June 2015

Meh, why not.

heartburnkid wrote: »

Lol, got em.

And as for you...

markt84 · June 2015

Don't think it's needed and don't want it on consoles. I think it will add more to my screen when what I really want is the group section to taken off or made smaller. They made a beautiful game, I don't want my screen filled with text and a bunch of other stuff like PC gamers like. And I love the chat, you hear randoms saying dumb crap, and if it becomes annoying I just walk away for the area. If anything go real high tech and make a text app for chat if people are so desperate to stay in the past

PBpsy · June 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Another thing if they add chat text the players who don't want it and turn it off will splits up the community even more between the ones who want a chat box and the the ones who want only voice.For me and others if we turn off the chat box then the players who only use chat box will be separate from the ones who do not want to use it.The community is already split up into 3 alliances adding a chat box will splinter the community even more between the ones who won't use it and the ones who will.

One last thing if you want the community to be strong and for the game to do will then lets build up a community in the game with what we have already. That won't happen by splitting the community into two groups. In my honest opinion anyone can disagree with me but I believe adding it will kill the game more then not having text chat by splitting the community into 2 the game will die even quicker.

Are you implying that those of us who just turn off voice chat aren't already splitting it?

If anything that just means we'll join voice chat when there's something going on that necessitates it, i.e., groups running dungeons/pvp/whatever.

As is we're all deaf and dumb insofar as communication goes.

Also, my friend ran into someone out in the middle of nowhere lastnight having sex with their mic on in area chat... soooo that's just great.

Wow. that must have been immersive as all snip.

Jaronking · June 2015

Archon12976 wrote: »

Agree with Germal, community is already split and that will never change. It will only get worse from here, trust me. I have also played plenty of MMO's to know that.

In regard to everyone saying it's not that hard to build relationships and a community with voice chat, you're missing the whole point. Many of us don't want to talk on voice chat, plain and simple. Some others need text chat to effectively lead their guild. Others who have hearing disabilities need it in order to even play the game. It's a lot more than just "building a relationship" or a "community" or whatever the hell we want to call it.

Then it's a really really easily solutions to your problem. You know a year ago they released Elder scrolls online for PC with KB support and a chat box.If you need chat text then play the version with it.Its really simple to tell you the truth.

iTzStevey · June 2015

Implement text chat. Its not hard, and to be honest the whole proximity chat is a stupid ploughing idea. That chat only works in crap games like cod, its a stupid and pathetic design decision and whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. If a game like DCUO can have text chat, why not this? Why would people want to play an MMO where you just can not interact with other players? Were the people that made this decisuon born brain dead or is it something that progressed over time? This game will be dead in six months without it.

BigM · June 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Another thing if they add chat text the players who don't want it and turn it off will splits up the community even more between the ones who want a chat box and the the ones who want only voice.For me and others if we turn off the chat box then the players who only use chat box will be separate from the ones who do not want to use it.The community is already split up into 3 alliances adding a chat box will splinter the community even more between the ones who won't use it and the ones who will.

One last thing if you want the community to be strong and for the game to do will then lets build up a community in the game with what we have already. That won't happen by splitting the community into two groups. In my honest opinion anyone can disagree with me but I believe adding it will kill the game more then not having text chat by splitting the community into 2 the game will die even quicker.

Are you implying that those of us who just turn off voice chat aren't already splitting it?

If anything that just means we'll join voice chat when there's something going on that necessitates it, i.e., groups running dungeons/pvp/whatever.

As is we're all deaf and dumb insofar as communication goes.

Also, my friend ran into someone out in the middle of nowhere lastnight having sex with their mic on in area chat... soooo that's just great.

OK why the heck didn't you record it and post it to FB, Twitter and Utube. We could of had so much fun, more so if they said their names.

BigM · June 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

Archon12976 wrote: »

Agree with Germal, community is already split and that will never change. It will only get worse from here, trust me. I have also played plenty of MMO's to know that.

In regard to everyone saying it's not that hard to build relationships and a community with voice chat, you're missing the whole point. Many of us don't want to talk on voice chat, plain and simple. Some others need text chat to effectively lead their guild. Others who have hearing disabilities need it in order to even play the game. It's a lot more than just "building a relationship" or a "community" or whatever the hell we want to call it.

Then it's a really really easily solutions to your problem. You know a year ago they released Elder scrolls online for PC with KB support and a chat box.If you need chat text then play the version with it.Its really simple to tell you the truth.

Yeah do a one time deal for 30 dollars to port over to PC/MAC.

Varicite · June 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

Archon12976 wrote: »

Agree with Germal, community is already split and that will never change. It will only get worse from here, trust me. I have also played plenty of MMO's to know that.

In regard to everyone saying it's not that hard to build relationships and a community with voice chat, you're missing the whole point. Many of us don't want to talk on voice chat, plain and simple. Some others need text chat to effectively lead their guild. Others who have hearing disabilities need it in order to even play the game. It's a lot more than just "building a relationship" or a "community" or whatever the hell we want to call it.

Then it's a really really easily solutions to your problem. You know a year ago they released Elder scrolls online for PC with KB support and a chat box.If you need chat text then play the version with it.Its really simple to tell you the truth.

Did you know that PC will have voice chat soon as well?

Some of us actually want to have both on console (just like PC will have soon), instead of being left out in the cold and being forced to use out-of-game workarounds or deal w/ very clumsy systems that were designed to depend on the text chat that no longer exists in the game.

Krombie · June 2015

Well I don't play on console, here on PC we are used to text chat I cannot imagine a Tamriel without text chat......

If some people like voice chat it's okay, I hope ZOS does not get rid of it
but text chat for console SHOULD be an option, that way voice lovers and text lovers
can enjoy Elder Scrolls online how they enjoy it the most and not have to sacrifice
socializing because voice chat gamers don't want it to be added

plus, I cannot see why this should not be added.....

Craven_Killmore · June 2015

Still no results after 28 pages, is this a joke or?

markt84 · June 2015

Text chat has not been natural to consoles for a long time. Hardly anyone has the keyboard plug ins. It would be resources waisted because it will hardly get used. The ONLY time it would be handy is when the chat goes down for everyone, but let's just hope that is a problem they will get resolved very soon.

BigM · June 2015

markt84 wrote: »

Text chat has not been natural to consoles for a long time. Hardly anyone has the keyboard plug ins. It would be resources waisted because it will hardly get used. The ONLY time it would be handy is when the chat goes down for everyone, but let's just hope that is a problem they will get resolved very soon.

I thought other games had a keyboard option within the games and it would come up so u can type in a chat? No separate keyboard needed? You know like on cell phones.

Dahkoht · June 2015

The liars saying they no text chat is ever coming and this was said yesterday can't link anything because it was never said.

Shows how desperate they are over seeing the flood of requests for text chat to make *** up completely.

markt84 · June 2015

Hahahahahaha yeah that's real handy. Guys waist too much gathering groups already with voice chat, let alone if you had to type everything out with the on screen keyboard. Good point point bigM

StaticWax · June 2015

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Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Still no results after 28 pages, is this a joke or?

Because it's the same 14 ppl spamming & bumping. No one from Zen responds because what they would like to say to the pro text chat folks would get them banned in their own forum.

Varicite · June 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

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Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Still no results after 28 pages, is this a joke or?

Because it's the same 14 ppl spamming & bumping. No one from Zen responds because what they would like to say to the pro text chat folks would get them banned in their own forum.

As opposed to the 3 people against it, most of whom refuse to provide any actual reasons, who have been spamming and bumping the thread as well?

I honestly wish they had left the poll, as it had a pretty decent amount of actual votes (far more than either of our for or against groups here in this thread) and showed an overwhelming majority in favor of an optional text chat function.

StaticWax · June 2015

Varicite wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

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Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Still no results after 28 pages, is this a joke or?

Because it's the same 14 ppl spamming & bumping. No one from Zen responds because what they would like to say to the pro text chat folks would get them banned in their own forum.

As opposed to the 3 people against it, most of whom refuse to provide any actual reasons, who have been spamming and bumping the thread as well?

I honestly wish they had left the poll, as it had a pretty decent amount of actual votes (far more than either of our for or against groups here in this thread) and showed an overwhelming majority in favor of an optional text chat function.

For the most part, I agree with you. Except for the actual reasons portion. I'm not really into repeating myself but I've supplied reasons. Whether ppl agree with them or not has little to do with the supply.

Jaronking · June 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Another thing if they add chat text the players who don't want it and turn it off will splits up the community even more between the ones who want a chat box and the the ones who want only voice.For me and others if we turn off the chat box then the players who only use chat box will be separate from the ones who do not want to use it.The community is already split up into 3 alliances adding a chat box will splinter the community even more between the ones who won't use it and the ones who will.

One last thing if you want the community to be strong and for the game to do will then lets build up a community in the game with what we have already. That won't happen by splitting the community into two groups. In my honest opinion anyone can disagree with me but I believe adding it will kill the game more then not having text chat by splitting the community into 2 the game will die even quicker.

Are you implying that those of us who just turn off voice chat aren't already splitting it?

If anything that just means we'll join voice chat when there's something going on that necessitates it, i.e., groups running dungeons/pvp/whatever.

As is we're all deaf and dumb insofar as communication goes.

Also, my friend ran into someone out in the middle of nowhere lastnight having sex with their mic on in area chat... soooo that's just great.

No I am not but it seems most people who turn off voice chat also want text chat added from what I seen.So I grouped them together.

That's most of the games content right now what's the point of text chat?If most of the game content Trails/dungeons/PVP then what is the need for voice chat other then for trading. It seems most people want text chat to make trading easier for yourselves.

If we were all Deaf and dumb how would we be able to play the game or even use the chat box?I want to know how are you getting that from my post?Would you like for me to call you Deaf and Db would that make you feel better?

Well the person was at least being considerate and going to the middle of no where to do.The player probably thought no one would come their when he did its not like he did it in the middle of daggerfall.

daolar · June 2015

I rather have a text, and voice chat, but could live with only a voice chat, if its good, in eso its crap imo and ruins the game with it turned on, I wanted to get a console and play on that, but for me, the current system is a complete turn off, soI wont get it on console, I really really hope they add a text chat or fix the current voice chat.

Varicite · June 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

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Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Still no results after 28 pages, is this a joke or?

Because it's the same 14 ppl spamming & bumping. No one from Zen responds because what they would like to say to the pro text chat folks would get them banned in their own forum.

As opposed to the 3 people against it, most of whom refuse to provide any actual reasons, who have been spamming and bumping the thread as well?

I honestly wish they had left the poll, as it had a pretty decent amount of actual votes (far more than either of our for or against groups here in this thread) and showed an overwhelming majority in favor of an optional text chat function.

For the most part, I agree with you. Except for the actual reasons portion. I'm not really into repeating myself but I've supplied reasons. Whether ppl agree with them or not has little to do with the supply.

Eh, I wasn't really talking about you for that portion anyways, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I'm just saying that I have no problem w/ those who disagree w/ the addition of some form of optional text chat function, but it would be a much healthier discussion if they would provide reasons that actually explain why this would inconvenience them somehow.

Imo, the point of the thread isn't to hash out a 'winner', it's to get as many opinions on the matter as possible and perhaps have some form of discussion for and against. Since the discussion keeps getting sidetracked w/ this us vs them mentality, I think votes would have been a lot simpler. :P

BigM · June 2015

You know the best way to end this is take a real poll by ZoS and allow only console players to access said poll and see how many really want and one's that don't. Then which ever side has more ZoS has to come out with a statement on if they will add text chat or not. It would at least finally end it once and for all. It may take them awhile but at least you would know it is coming or not.

But right now just from the silence it is going to kill the console game and very well kill the game in whole. I have never seen this in an MMO before in the 17 years of playing them. Yes I got my son into online games at 14 with UO (Ultima Online) and he was well known in UO as Trinox. He quit this game long ago and said he never thought they would really make the game better. He still laughs at me for still trusting and playing this game. I so want to prove him wrong but right now starting to think he may be right. Game is fun but broken in way too many ways.

The last step is when they come out with Imperial City and they better make it free for us long term players on PC/MAC that have BELIEVED and SUPPORTED them from day 1. That my friends is called a thank you to us that could help restore some kind of trust in them. Plus it would be great for business.

Thank You,

The Old Man!

Junglejim82 · June 2015

markt84 wrote: »

Text chat has not been natural to consoles for a long time. Hardly anyone has the keyboard plug ins. It would be resources waisted because it will hardly get used. The ONLY time it would be handy is when the chat goes down for everyone, but let's just hope that is a problem they will get resolved very soon.

Not natural to the typical console genre you mean . Console mmos have existed for many years now though and text chat is both integral and natural to them.

BigM wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Text chat has not been natural to consoles for a long time. Hardly anyone has the keyboard plug ins. It would be resources waisted because it will hardly get used. The ONLY time it would be handy is when the chat goes down for everyone, but let's just hope that is a problem they will get resolved very soon.

I thought other games had a keyboard option within the games and it would come up so u can type in a chat? No separate keyboard needed? You know like on cell phones.

Bingo . Also the free PlayStation app allows you to use your smartphone as a wireless keyboard and it worked well anytime I used it . Before that a £5 USB keyboard did the trick.

Prestn · June 2015

The guild I joined up with, The Dark Knights, have a system for chat/texting via a smartphone app. Not all members use this tool but its been great for me and my experience with the guild and game. Its easy to find groups and keep in touch with members even when not in game.

Lots of times I am not even playing and I see a LFG post and I jump in game.

So there are ways to get around it but you need a guild willing to do something like this.

markt84 · June 2015

Haha define many years for mmos on consoles. What going all the way back to FF that bombed in the U.S.? and again I already said, a text app I would be cool with. But what's the point in that when I can just actually us my voice to say what I want? Not having take my eyes off the game, write something and stare at my phone while I'm waiting for a reply. Yeah that sounds a whole lot more convenient. If the chat is working without bugs, then it is great and def the right way to go. I mean who wants to walk around in a world of people and everything is silent? I don't get that at all

ShadowProctor · June 2015

Glad I found this thread. ^_^

I'd like to start by saying that I'm really enjoying this game. Huge fan of the Elder Scrolls series, owned games on both consoles and PC since the release of Morrowind. Also a long-time MMO player. Since ESO came out, all other games are dead to me - but there's one major downfall to console version of the game that has prevented the kind of immersion that you should have with an MMO, and definitely the kind of immersion you should have with an Elder Scrolls game in general. No text communication.

Entire groups of people were disregarded with the decision not to put text communication into the console versions of the game. Deaf people can't hear, so how are they supposed to communicate? That Quick Chat menu is extremely insufficient, it only deals with dungeon/raid quotes with the addition of "Yes, No, Hello and Goodbye."

I have to immediately leave the Voice Chat channel as soon as I log in, because of how many people leave their Mics on and have background noise blaring through, or I can hear someone arguing with their spouse, or yelling at their child, etc. I'm trying to immerse myself in the game, get into the storylines, and that's a great way to kill the mood every time.

Lots of people are shy, anti-social, or even self-conscious about themselves and prefer text over voice communication as well. More groups of people being left out, or pushed out of their comfort zone without text communication.

No roleplaying! So many Elder Scrolls fans are roleplayers that it's not even funny. For many people, it is the very essence of game immersion, and can bring an otherwise dull world to life. And that's exactly what life in Tamriel is without being able to roleplay or type /commands for emotes. Dull. As vibrant and beautiful as Tamriel is, there will be very little immersion for roleplayers without text communication. I'll go ahead and admit right now that the most immersive MMO experience I've ever had actually came from a Guild of roleplayers in FFXIV on PS4.

I saw that there have been roleplaying events hosted on the (ESO) PC server long before console launch - and I got pretty excited. Finally a game giving more attention to the people who truly immerse theirselves in the world - and then a major slap to my face when I found out that we were being denied the ability to correctly roleplay at all. That really hurt, ZOS..

Whenever you hit the Options button and open to menu to use an emote or quick chat, your character gets turned around on a 180 degree angle so that he/she is facing the player, and it stays that way after you select the emote or quick chat quote. You end up saying "Hello" to a wall, or taking so long to emote back to someone that you didn't notice them walking away from you whilst in the middle of rummaging through all of the emotes to find the one you were looking for. There really is nothing convenient about it - especially in comparison with being able to just type /whatever for the emote, facing the direction that you desire.

There will be people who say, "I hate chat boxes on my screen."

Creating the option to Hide the chat box if you don't wish to participate in it, the same way you can leave a Voice Chat channel would eliminate that problem.

There will be people who say, "It lowers the number of spammers and bots."

There will always be people who try to bot (though I imagine it would be a lot harder if not impossible to do on a console), and as for the spammers, you can hide the chat box if you don't want to see them, or many things can be put into place to kick people who spam the chats.

It's that simple. There is no downside to having text chat that can possibly trump the plethora of benefits that it gives. The Pros outweigh the Cons tenfold.

Archon12976 · June 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

Then it's a really really easily solutions to your problem. You know a year ago they released Elder scrolls online for PC with KB support and a chat box.If you need chat text then play the version with it.Its really simple to tell you the truth.

Ya know what? You're right, that would be a great solution.

HOWEVER...I spent $80 on a digital version of the game that can't be returned. Why did I buy the digital version? Because I thought it would be great if me and my son could play together on separate PS4's together in a group. That's also the reason I got it on console instead of PC...I only had to buy one copy of the game instead of two.

It also would have been simple for Zenimax to state well in advance, to the general public, that the console version would not include text chat. So I guess it's not as simple as you seem to think it is.