A wonderful quote. Very much the profound and thought-provoking statement.
You do realise that it has nothing to do with the current conversation though, right?
Of course it does. ZeniMax doesn't have to justify their version of their lore to anybody, much less give them a paid option to toggle it on and off. Nobody's a special snowflake when it comes to what should or should not exist in the game.
It's commensalism. The owner of the mount is happy, and everybody else neither benefits nor is harmed. Saying that a custom mount intentionally added to the game is harmful is more about elitism than actual harm.
@Yinmaigao if you honestly don't like zombies and wish them to be khajiit, by all means make a thread suggesting a way for that to be accomplished.
But that is not an apt comparison to what I'm suggesting. There is NO narrative reason for flaming horses and ice horses. If there were a quest that rewarded the fire horse, I wouldn't be suggesting this.
There is no narrative as to why players can have a pet fox either.
I am not trying to be confrontational, nor am I saying you shouldn't have the right to voice your opinions.
I am simply stating that I disagree with them, especially when people pick and choose what immersion breaking aspect they focus on.
Hopefully I have not been rude, it is not my intention.
Mettaricana wrote: »im amazed how much people want this game to be bland and boring, first you take away boob windows, now any form of abnormal mount, next any hair color aside from brown black and blonde?...
its like reality check its an mmo not subway can't have everything your way remember arvik? he exists the nightmare horse doesn't seem to fall outside that category.
honestly as long as we dont add angelwings, batwings, or dragon mounts i'd say just enjoy what we have.
ZedalisDesign wrote: »I try to respect other players' opinions/wishes, I really do. But I can't help but sit here and think that a lot of these people should be playing a different game...maybe Skyrim?
Are we seriously talking about immersion here? In an MMO?
Mettaricana wrote: »im amazed how much people want this game to be bland and boring, first you take away boob windows, now any form of abnormal mount
@Yinmaigao if you honestly don't like zombies and wish them to be khajiit, by all means make a thread suggesting a way for that to be accomplished.
But that is not an apt comparison to what I'm suggesting. There is NO narrative reason for flaming horses and ice horses. If there were a quest that rewarded the fire horse, I wouldn't be suggesting this.
There is no narrative as to why players can have a pet fox either.
I am not trying to be confrontational, nor am I saying you shouldn't have the right to voice your opinions.
I am simply stating that I disagree with them, especially when people pick and choose what immersion breaking aspect they focus on.
Hopefully I have not been rude, it is not my intention.
A wonderful quote. Very much the profound and thought-provoking statement.
You do realise that it has nothing to do with the current conversation though, right?
Of course it does. ZeniMax doesn't have to justify their version of their lore to anybody, much less give them a paid option to toggle it on and off. Nobody's a special snowflake when it comes to what should or should not exist in the game.
It's commensalism. The owner of the mount is happy, and everybody else neither benefits nor is harmed. Saying that a custom mount intentionally added to the game is harmful is more about elitism than actual harm.
The_Antiquarian wrote: »I agree with this idea.
ESO/Zenimax should charge $25 for the "demystication" service on a mount by mount basis.
This would be most equitable solution for everyone.
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Back to commercialism! If the option relied on pre-existing assets and used the simplified form I detailed it seems to be a reasonable conclusion that the cost to ZOS in terms of time/energy/money would not be high. If people are suggesting they would pay for this option (I certainly would) then that would be event better. ZOS can make money from selling the stupid mounts and then make more for selling the option to hide them all.
As a final statement, saying that seeing 20 flaming mounts in one city square annoys me isn't about elitism, it is about whether that impacts on my enjoyment of the game experience presented to me. It is as simple as that.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
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There have been much more important requests/outright needs for the game than this kind of option for quite literally two years at this point from beta to the present. Perhaps once some of those are addressed, you'd see more community support for your idea @Gidorick .
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »[snip for context]
A horse that is magically enchanted to have frost hooves? That fits in a fantasy RPG thematically.
lordrichter wrote: »However, to say that Skyrim is immersive is just as silly. One has to put a lot of mods into play to get close, and that still is not enough.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »[snip for context]? Dog-people, we have cat-people. Why not dog-people... fits the theme.
You joke about this... but my wife asked the same question today. She has played all the prior TES games and is a hard-core Bethesda fan, knowing the lore.
However... she likes dogs instead of cats and thinks it is silly to have one and not the other regardless of if it fits prior (future? lol) lore or not
Just made me laugh when I saw this point
[snip for context]? Dog-people, we have cat-people. Why not dog-people... fits the theme.
You joke about this... but my wife asked the same question today. She has played all the prior TES games and is a hard-core Bethesda fan, knowing the lore.
However... she likes dogs instead of cats and thinks it is silly to have one and not the other regardless of if it fits prior (future? lol) lore or not
Just made me laugh when I saw this point
I like this idea, but I'm not quite sure... Would the toggle also effect the sex- and race-change?The point is? As silly as this sounds, they directly negatively impact my playing experience. So, I would like a purchasable Mystical Mounts Ignore toggle so that "cool" mounts like the Nightmare Courser and Frostmare appear as "Normal" mounts to me.
So the fire horse would go from this:
To this:
Blackhorne wrote: »I like this idea, but I'm not quite sure... Would the toggle also effect the sex- and race-change?The point is? As silly as this sounds, they directly negatively impact my playing experience. So, I would like a purchasable Mystical Mounts Ignore toggle so that "cool" mounts like the Nightmare Courser and Frostmare appear as "Normal" mounts to me.
So the fire horse would go from this:
To this:
Compared to these mounts a unicorn would make more sense lore wise
Darkonflare15 wrote: »Hmm... if there there was addon that got rid of what people consider lore-wise than I want a add on that prevents me from seeing every other player in this game. Since it not lore-wise to see all these magical slinging characters, with different color dyes on their armor, switching weapons in an instant, riding fantasy horses while having pets that do not die,while doing push ups, sit ups, and doing jumping jacks because I never seen this done in any past elder scrolls games.Also there should not be multiple players that defeated Molag bal. There can be only one. Oh yeah I forgot this is a mmo. Also the lore master already explain how elder scrolls lore works. If you can see it in the game than it is in the lore. So no point argue about this since every elder scrolls game has broken the lore from the previous one.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »@Yinmaigao if you honestly don't like zombies and wish them to be khajiit, by all means make a thread suggesting a way for that to be accomplished.
But that is not an apt comparison to what I'm suggesting. There is NO narrative reason for flaming horses and ice horses. If there were a quest that rewarded the fire horse, I wouldn't be suggesting this.
There is no narrative as to why players can have a pet fox either.
I am not trying to be confrontational, nor am I saying you shouldn't have the right to voice your opinions.
I am simply stating that I disagree with them, especially when people pick and choose what immersion breaking aspect they focus on.
Hopefully I have not been rude, it is not my intention.
I find it pretty non-immersive to have to stare at my hands or other small areas of the screen to make sure an ability went off rather than having a debuff or buff icon that accurately tells me whether it worked properly or not, in fact I have argued this as far back as beta and many of the same people now complaining about ice horses told anyone who agreed with my point of view to basically sod off.
Picking and choosing whatever's convenient for you to have fun in the game to make a thread to focus on and saying to everyone else, "Play my way or don't play, options are for suckers." isn't a good way to go about things or earn support from other players. I wouldn't even necessarily think this was an outrageous suggestion if not for the fact that the same groups of people demanded and still do demand that everyone must play with no accurate or useful stock UI, or that having the option to see people's names overhead clientside if they're on the same faction you are, would "ruin their immersion" despite never even touching their screens. Talk about your hypocritical double standards .
There have been much more important requests/outright needs for the game than this kind of option for quite literally two years at this point from beta to the present. Perhaps once some of those are addressed, you'd see more community support for your idea @Gidorick .
nimander99 wrote: »You do know that the frost mount is actually a lore-positive mount right? see the Snow Prince's mount
Anyhooser nothing wrong with more options in an mmo so I see no prob with your idea.
nimander99 wrote: »You do know that the frost mount is actually a lore-positive mount right? see the Snow Prince's mount
Anyhooser nothing wrong with more options in an mmo so I see no prob with your idea.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Shouldn't even have to pay Crowns for it - should be a checkbox in the friggin' settings.
Things (not) rendered Client side would only speed things up, I would imagine.