Here's the thing....in all the threads people who want it added continue to say why they want it added and then go back and forth with anyone who disagrees.

Let me help everyone out....
1. Understand why ZOS decided not to include text chat (Start with watching ZOS's live Twitch in April...the whole thing)
2. Come up with viable comments specific to each reason "they", ZOS decided not to include it
3. Understand if you cannot do so, then its likely that it won't be added
4. Dont pay much attention to people like me who say it shouldn't be added because.....its not going to be there as it stands right now
5. Don't take anyone who doesn't want to see the feature you want as a personal attack on you unless they comment that it is

The difference in doing things that way is people like me are less prone to comment because you're basically having a conversation with ZOS rather than arguing your opinions

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TBH, I'm not going to be playing it on console. On the flip side, I don't see a high quality MMORPG surviving with these severe social interaction restrictions on launch. ZOS would be wise to make swift adjustments on launch.

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darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Currently, the functionality to link items to other players via text chat is not in the console version. We understand that this is a social feature that many desire. We do plan to assess how we could implement this feature in the console version, after launch.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I can tell you how to implement it. Put text chat in. You can have that one for free.

And possibly even make it by launch.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Currently, the functionality to link items to other players via text chat is not in the console version. We understand that this is a social feature that many desire. We do plan to assess how we could implement this feature in the console version, after launch.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I can tell you how to implement it. Put text chat in. You can have that one for free.

I imagine they are having a bugger of a time trying to read the minds of their console users. I'd be curious to see what the console beta forums resulted in with this topic.

It was 99.99999% of people saying removing it was stupid and @NewBlacksmurf with 3 or 4 trolls for it.

Alright, now I know you're reaching deep for something... This is a MMORPG. Depending on your role, there are extreme social requirements. You're going to tell me that "99.99999%" of the console beta testers prefer no text chat support... at all.

You know, that's funny. I remember watching a few console beta streams and users stating that was a negative thing. Since they were already tired of hearing the already few players in the beta spam voice chat. Or the obnoxious background noise from mics. One can only imagine how horrific it will be with hundreds, literally hundreds, of players in the same phase...

Stop your shenanigans, kind sir.

*after launch*

BAD IDEA. The game will get horrible reviews. Word will spread that the game is not playable due to missing features. Everyone will bash the game.

You would be much better off to delay the console release until these necessary features are implemented.

nastuug wrote: »

You're going to tell me that "99.99999%" of the console beta testers prefer no text chat support... at all.

No, he didn't, you badly misread what he said. He said 99.99999% of people thought removing it was stupid. Meaning that said 99.99999% of players want it, and think that removing it was a stupid decision.

That number obviously was exaggerated, but of all the entire people on the beta forums commenting on this in the maybe 15 page thread on it, I only remember NewBlackSmurf and defcon[something]_ESO being extremely outwardly against it even as an optional addition, saying they'd prefer to force users to only have voice chat as an option.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Currently, the functionality to link items to other players via text chat is not in the console version. We understand that this is a social feature that many desire. We do plan to assess how we could implement this feature in the console version, after launch.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I can tell you how to implement it. Put text chat in. You can have that one for free.

I imagine they are having a bugger of a time trying to read the minds of their console users. I'd be curious to see what the console beta forums resulted in with this topic.

It was 99.99999% of people saying removing it was stupid and @NewBlacksmurf with 3 or 4 trolls for it.

Alright, now I know you're reaching deep for something... This is a MMORPG. Depending on your role, there are extreme social requirements. You're going to tell me that "99.99999%" of the console beta testers prefer no text chat support... at all.

You know, that's funny. I remember watching a few console beta streams and users stating that was a negative thing. Since they were already tired of hearing the already few players in the beta spam voice chat. Or the obnoxious background noise from mics. One can only imagine how horrific it will be with hundreds, literally hundreds, of players in the same phase...

Stop your shenanigans, kind sir.

No I was saying 99% were FOR ADDING TEXT CHAT. Reading is tech.

I stand boldly corrected. -1 for failed At-Work-Multitasking... =/

To be fair, I don't see @NewBlacksmurf as a troll. He usually presents a very good case. It might not be your opinion, but he's definitely not trolling.

EDIT: Nevermind. My English comprehension isn't good enough to get involved in distinguishing between trolls and non-trolls.

@darkknightfkb16_ESO Lets not name call
I did want to comment on the console forums about this game and the keybaord text feature.

I'll stick to the console of my choice on this comment. (Xbox One)
-Go look and see ....
-There are threads going back to 2014 and they few like 2 or 3 but they tend to lean towards hope for voice support over keyboard from those who assumed it would have a text chat box because its an MMO but specifically mention....this is why MMO games don't tend to succeed on console. Then replies are around....you'll need a chat-pad as this is what the console conversation tend to expect because most assume a text chat box will be on console but the console players aren't typically pro-keyboard but are open to a key-pad attached to the controller that also allows them to type and play.
(based on the threads)

You will find a lot of threads about creating a chat-pad for use to attach to the controller similar to what the xbox 360 offers.
There is a HUGE interest in key-pad support on the console but it was never added, instead we got usb keyboard support and that is not so much a desire to use a traditional keyboard on the xbox one console for gaming. People even are trying the chatpad on Amazon and EBAY but it gets indifferent reviews partly because using it disables the ability to use voice chat unless you have a Kinect and the other side is because it wasn't dont well by comparison to the x360 chat-pad

Maybe it also is beneficial to go into the Neverwinter and General games threads too

You'lll find very little interest in wanting keyboard or chat-pad support if a game doesn't have it but in games that do have it, you will see some threads that continue to ask for a chat-pad like the x360

Lionxoft wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Well the industry and the experiences crafted for console that differ from PC in addition to games that are on multiple platforms but where they drastically differ due to the hardware proves that people don't want the same experiences as another platform.

Specific examples of other MMOs that came to console w/out text chat enabled and how the console players not only didn't complain about the lack of these features, but fully embraced them, please.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please also stop assuming you have factual information without access to my Xbox inbox, activity feed, voice memos and Xbox forum PM's.

Never did I once mention anything about these things, other than asking if you have tens of thousands of players commenting on the issue on your feeds.

You can call the ESO official forums a "small bubble", but the FACT is that unless you have more commenters than the forums, your bubble is much smaller.

If you can dismiss the opinions of those on the forums as miniscule, what would I logically have to think of the opinions of those commenting on your feeds?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Also recall my original position and how it's opened to suggest and offer other possibilities as this discussion continues through different threads. Those have come from other people's suggestions who have a voice but cannot voice themselves here.

Opened up? Twice on the last page alone you have told people that they should just not play on consoles if they like text chat. Your only actual suggestion has been an app. Other than that, you've spent the vast majority of your time berating people for disagreeing w/ you and trying to paint yourself as some kind of console hero to the masses. <.<

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I passionately don't want to have the PC experiences of text spam, people trying to circumvent systems intended to drive a certain experience, or any separation of players even more due to adding a keyboard text communication.
Also knowing controller support is coming to PC soon with text chat...why push it to be on console?

My monitor isn't 56 inches. I can't truck my PC out to the living room every time I'd like to play it on the big screen. If it were voice chat only, I just won't be talking to anyone, because I don't feel like talking to strangers.

Does it matter? No. All that matters is that there is a very large amount of interest in text chat in the console version, which is reason enough to consider it seriously for ZOS.

In short...all of your points are valid and matter but that doesn't create a need to have something for everyone of all platforms. Largely examples of games that are multiplayer on console can be provided but so think you're looking for MMORPG specifically so on Xbox One....Neverwinter is an example of a game that has a text chat box that is pretty much not used by the majority of console users. The developer felt their system did need text chat so it was included but it's very seldom used and i only see spam of ppl trying to trade which is funny because you also don't see replies. There is only one on Xbox one and the game is F2P, it's very much instances and designed for PC. Even the UI shows it's a PC designed that was successfully ported to Xbox One but the systems and interactions on console largely make sense to try text chat but unlike TESO it's not a game that fits on console well with use with text chat but it makes sense to have it.

War frame and those other games aren't technically even close to TESO but they do use text chat which again is largely spam due to players (few) trying to trade or circumvent systems designed by the developer) and it's also F2P but almost the same as Neverwinter as far as experiences.

Overall those games have an extremely smaller user base on console than those without text chat

Daybreak Game Company, formerly SOE, is receiving their xbox one dev kits to make DC Universe Online span over 3 platforms with cross play between PS and PC servers. That game utilizes text chat and similarly it also has voice chat implemented. Text chat is necessary in a social MMO as it assists with the economy but also with the social activity within the game. The emote system as a substitute for text chat is not acceptable. Not everyone has a voice to speak or can hear those voices. Keeping the avenues of communication open is a smart move. I'm not sure why they can't just make a controller button combination to hide the chat text box like that title does.

I watched your video and I can't imagine having to get the point across by just using emotes lol. Stating that the game has voice chat isn't a sufficient alternative.

Slightly off topic but does the console version support subtitles? These would be huge for cutscene type dialogue that happens between groups of characters or between the prophet and his endless ranting.

Subtitles are supported on videos but I've never seen a game utilize them on the XBox One in such a way.
Kinda also noticed ZOS didn't utilize sub titles on the console from NPC's either as the quest interactions were drastically changed too.

Good question but I don't know

I'm not familiar with Daybreak so....guess we will see but not knowing enough about the game, how do you feel that game relates to this situation?

Zazaaji wrote: »

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

Well, this is an eye opener ... we where given the impression by certain people that this was a non-issue for beta testers & to just live with the fact there wasn't text chat ....

It was not at all a "non-issue". There were at least 2 dozen threads made about it within 4 days, and as I mentioned one of them (the "main" one that ZoS redirected all closed threads on this topic to) got to be over 15 pages long, as I recall. Whether a person desperately wanted/needed it to be added, or whether they did not want any for of it added, pretty much everyone had a opinion on it. A far cry from a non-issue.

Thank you @Zazaaji for the info! Some of us wheren't lucky enough to get in beta so we are going off 2nd hand info, since we did not have access to the beta section of the forum.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

I can't wait for the 10 FPS PVP console vids

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Currently, the functionality to link items to other players via text chat is not in the console version. We understand that this is a social feature that many desire. We do plan to assess how we could implement this feature in the console version, after launch.

"We plan to assess..." So you are planning to plan more? Confused. Elaborate some?

Without text chat, we need to look at how this feature would be implemented.

Heh looks to me like the lack of a chat box will cause you so many problems and need to do extra stuff, that you would probably have ended up with a simpler code and user interface if you had kept the chat window.

Since there is no text chat on consoles....you won't be able to link items when playing the console version.


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