Varicite wrote: »

Argoniawind wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

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For Starters Elder Scrolls games are open World RPGs ESO is an OWORPG, not an mmo.

I also don't recall any previous ES games having chat windows. Also Morrowind, Obivion and Skyrim are the only 3 ES games that are on the xbox systems and soon ESO. I play on the console for not only the controller but authentically what Bethesda created and I don't have worry bout fan mods and addons, all genuine from the never swaying dev team geniuses... Now it seems this game is runn mostly by the mmo fans and that worries me greatly!!!

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Argoniawind wrote: »

For Starters Elder Scrolls games are open World RPGs ESO is an OWORPG, not an mmo.

What? Of corse its an MMO..... I...... What?

Argoniawind wrote: »

I also don't recall any previous ES games having chat windows.

Why would a single player game need a chat box?

Argoniawind wrote: »

Also Morrowind, Obivion and Skyrim are the only 3 ES games that are on the xbox systems and soon ESO. I play on the console for not only the controller but authentically what Bethesda created

Bethesda didn't create this game Zenimax Online Studios did.

Argoniawind wrote: »

and I don't have worry bout fan mods and addons, all genuine from the never swaying dev team geniuses... Now it seems this game is runn mostly by the mmo fans and that worries me greatly!!!

If you don't like mods..... don't download them?

Audigy wrote: »

I think that the consoles offers some type of voice program, don't they? So just stand on the market place and shout out loud what you have to offer. If you shout loudest, then maybe someone will find you among the hundreds of other people doing the same

Yes this is sarcasm

Also, every RPG in this world is played with mouse & keyboard, so not having that supported is a big problem. Have you already forgotten how problematic the UI was at Skyrim on consoles?

If for whatever reason you don't like the comfort of keyboard and mouse, but prefer to use 20 fingers until you get what you want from your inventory, be our all guest. However, please respect and tolerate that there are people in this gaming world who have indeed grown up with ES games and therefore want the same comfort as they always had.

You don't need to use mouse and keyboard or chat.

Wow I was a fan wayyyyyyyy before Skyrim, sorry I bought Morrowind on the Original xbox when it first came out!!!
Also then continue to play on the pc, that don't affect me

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this will tank reviews of the game..

its really easy to setup console to have games directly use Keyboard, even if you dont also use mouse and controller instead its really easy.

it was done way back on the PS2, FFXI ran on PS2, Xbox, PC, Xbox 360, PS3 and all versions played effectively the same in regards to using keyboard to chat.

it was 100% seamless when compaired directly to PC version and most importantly.. that games servers were cross platform 100% too, meaning you could be on PC and playing against any other system that also supported the game..

ZOS is 100% outclassed with their current buisness method, which is stuck in the idea of "consoles are too differant" when they are more like PCs than they ever have been.

i cant honeslty consider them a first or even second rate developer if they cant even get Consoles to support Keyboard as easily as the PC version.

Varicite wrote: »

How do you know what people are selling beforehand, or are you suggesting that you walk up to every single person who might have an emote icon above their head and ask them personally?

You don't think that's a little tedious?

I mean, I guess it's not that different from trying to buy anything from guild traders, which can be a pretty daunting task even w/ the selection they each carry.

I feel like this would be a downright frustrating method when you have to individually ask every single person who wants to sell something what the 1 item they are specifically trying to sell is.

Did you play FFXIV at the original launch? You had to search every retainer to find what you wanted to buy. Searching through 1000 retainers was tedious as hell. It got buttplugged by reviewers for that and eventually it got the system it has now lol.

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

We would like to gather your sentiment and thoughts, thereby we are leaving this thread opened.
Please stay respectful and constructive, even when disagreeing.

@ZOS_LenaicR - Since you asked, and I haven't really said much anything in this thread yet -
My sentiments and thoughts: Removing the chat box will cause reviews to plummet since it'll be impossible to use any form of a zone chat, it will be impossible to have any form of a chat to trade in properly (local trade chats are limited to 20 meters, and it will also be impossible to find any without obnoxious players always literally shouting over voice chat things like "SHUT UP EVERYONE, I WANT TO SELL SUCH AND SUCH A WEAPON FOR 4000 GOLD VERY CHEAP!!!"), it will be impossible to have a large guild chat with 100+ people all using voice chat, not to mention a major bandwidth hog which will cause even more lag while playing for a lot of players in any large guild, it will be impossible for any deaf player to actually enjoy any social mechanics because they will be limited to "pre selected phrases", it will be impossible for any thick accented person (my case) to actually enjoy social mechanics due to the same reason, it will have loads of 13 year olds calling most everyone they meet an idiot (or worse that I can't post on these forums) in an obnoxious pre-pubescent voice, it obviously will SEVERELY limit communication and the economy system in a MMO, and a lot more problems that I just don't remember that are mentioned dozens of times in other threads.

In short for my sentiments and thoughts: This will likely be the worst decision ZoS has ever made, it will cause the reviews for console editions to plummet, which will in turn cause the sales to plummet. Then the console versions will need an entire communications reworking for something that should not have been messed up in the first place due to all the negative player feedback received on it. Just like the PC edition had for other problems that finally got better in Tamriel Unlimited close to a year after it initially came out.

There you go. Pass it to whoever needs it.

The game can exist on console and PC.
Because the two world do differ as far as play styles and hardware the addition of a text box begs the question of keyboard support. If keyboard support is standard and a means that many Traditional MMO players expect for communication then adding this to console confuses the console players. Voice chat is only on console and not on PC and text chat is on PC and not on console. Based on hardware this aligns very well

IF you add text chat boxes then the whole redesign and 12+ months becomes a questionable delay and further begs the question....If you add a text box then why did you redesign the UI and wait a year to release.

When a couch player in console who waited a year to play the game because you had to redesign the UI for a controller then the wonder is, we're the original plans to release on console with mouse and keyboard only?

I doubt this was the intent so adding a text chat box is counterproductive if it's only useful via a keyboard. Right now there is no extra button press to activate a text box or scroll up and down to read or toggle different text chat box options and views that are largely used on PC.

If you add a text box without redesigning the controller with the controller locked button assignments then the reviews will be very poor.

I personally don't want to wait another 3-6 months in order for another UI redesign just to add in a text chat box, keyboard chat support and controller button redesign to access the text box on a controller. There will be some that utilize the keyboard chat but as we've seen on Xbox one by example a non cross platform MMO Neverwinter. The text chat is very seldom used and often times not used at all because it's impossible to read that far away and no keyboard comes with a 20 foot USB cable. Sure you can use a wireless keyboard but again...it's only to chat so it makes more sense to talk or not talk but typing is silly as its hard to read and interrupts gameplay because you can't play and type simultaneously. Well unless you have someone else typing for you.

What you have is sound and the radial emote text chat seems ideal
Looking at an app or whatever would also be ideal for the concerns around trading, lfg, lfguold, PvP or those who want a zone chat

Don't complicate what works after a 12 month delay for a feature that will not be used largely by most.
There are valid arguments and concerns around adding the typing ability but none are required or needed but instead player preferences.

Listen to the preference feedback and honestly look at an app
There are logical reason to enhance what exists due to the concerns of omitting text chat but nothing seems to align with adding complexity to communication due to hardware that adds cost and that adds complexity

That's my opinion and feedback around this

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@KrisButtar To be honest, the absense or inability to be able to do what I consider spam is what excites me about the console version.

In trying to be open minded suggesting to get a smart device is pretty much the same cost of buying a wireless keyboard.
Kindles are $80 and other smart devices can be less if the only purpose is to run apps while wireless keyboards are in the same price range. This isn't a reason to add text chat but rather another players preference.

You and others alike don't want to be pressured to buy other hardware just like console players who don't want to be pressured to buy a keyboard.

The app is the best reasonable solution or it can be a web app/smart device app instead. People don't want the spam and what comes with text chat. There is no way to add one without the other and I believe my comment above also points out value to please all groups in a way that is familiar to the gaming community.

EDIT: zone chat isn't a good way even on PC. Let's say the lfg tool is truly non functional on both PC and console and people who share your preferences want to sell items and have a better group finder plus a better chat experience. A web app and/or smart device app with other functionalities like map and useful add-on capabilities becomes the go to for all platforms.

Again trying to be open minded but sensible to all three platforms. Not just console
Gotta think ahead as windows 10 should soon allow apps to work on PC and Xbox One. So then it's easier to make a ps4 app and all three are in a better situation

I'm not suggesting for people to go out and buy a keyboard though, use the virtual keyboard. Sure Neverwinter sucks in that department but from what I heard the 360 version of defiance was fine, or at the very least a lot better, so its a developer issue not a Microsoft one.

I am a console player though. I own a total of only 5 PC games and over 175 console games. ESO is also my 1st PC MMO. The only reason I have ESO on PC was to take advantage of the console transfer in the 1st place and bought it before the cut off date. Again my 1st MMO experience was on a console (FF14). I played just fine without a mouse/keyboard and with a controller along with chatting in the box. You say an app is the best choice but everyone without a smart device is automatically in the cold at least with a chat box people don't need to buy a keyboard they can use the virtual keyboard which both consoles have and wouldn't be excluding anyone. I would be happy if the chat box was in the menus in the communications tab and you had to open it from there instead of going to an app.

I don't want a text chat box because when it is not there, it opens up a nice area and doesn't look all cramped but I don't see another way to get around the missing features at the moment. Please don't think I am pressuring as I'm not, I'm just coming from another perspective as a console gamer.

ZOS must have seen this coming and has something in mind. The linking in the chat window and clicking the item is actually one of the coolest features I thought as I never seen it before. Share quest is up there too but that made it into the game. All I know is I'm not a happy customer with the current state of things with the missing features or having to leave the game to see what others are doing in PVP via an app.