From the last live stream on Twitch, I remember Brian Wheeler talking about introducing small instances of PvP such as domination / capture the flag directly into Cyrodiil in the actual small cities. I don't think this is the best solution as it would load Cyrodiil even more.

What we need is separated instances of arenas and battlegrounds running on their own servers.

LonePirate wrote: »

The Colovian Crossing 3v3v3 battleground that they show off at cons and trade shows (which numerous people have played) should have been added to the game months ago. With ZOS desperately searching for ways to fix the lag by spreading out the PVP population with the recent changes to delves and dolmens, CC's continued absence from the game is a real mystery to me. It is content that is already complete. It would help satisfy players seeking smaller scale gameplay. It would serve as new PVP content for the masses. It would reduce the zergs and the lag in the rest of Cyrodiil. I can't think of a good reason why it is not in the game already unless ZOS is trying to find a way to monetize it like everything else.

Just for reference here's a few videos of it

I'm no expert, But I assume this could just be added in the next patch considering it's already created and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMzrkRluWbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR1ccuyGCwA

Huntler wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Most people play AvA for the open-world, large-scale battles.

There are plenty of garbage MMOs with premades facerolling arenas and BGs.

No Thanks

-Zenimax, there are plenty of players tha don't want this, they are just not as vocal

"I don't want this even though it wont effect me in anyway at all if I choose not to do it"

Sure, because arenas wouldn't make 1 vs 1 balance way more essential....right?

It's like saying PvE'ers aren't effected by PVP if they don't participate. They can not make balance changes to PVP or Arenas or battlegrounds, without effecting the rest of the game.

There's also the already low amount of players we can potentially face in Cyrodiil, more PVP modes would surely reduce this further. I know, I know, you're going to say "more people would play if blah blah and blah was added." but the point still stands that if they're not playing because they're not interested in Cyrodiil, having more players won't help Cyrodiil...will it?




Have to agree with the lag part tho.

Extremely flawed logic, allow me to parody it:

Dear Zenimax,

Don't put other features in the game, instead force players who want PvP to play how I want in Cyro. And somehow you think that won't make those players who don't want what Cyrodiil is anymore to quit.... Thats laughable.


Its also flawed logic to say well, arenas will force them to fix balance. If there is a balance issue, they should fix it regardless. You don't think small man fights happen in Cyrodiil? Just because you ball up and zerg doesn't mean other players in Cyrodiil do and why should they suffer game imbalance just to make you happy?

First of all, I was simply responding to a quote that specifically said adding other PVP modes would not effect Cyrodiil at all. Nowhere in my post did I state what I personally want or don't want added, or what I personally think people should be playing.

The fact is I could really enjoy some alternative PVP modes being added to ESO, but I'm well aware of the effect that it would have on the Alliance War, and it's a real concern. I really wouldn't want to see Cyrodiil die, just so we can get 3v3v3 areas or something.

You also say that I think players will not quit ESO if Cyrodiil remains the only PVP mode? Am I interpreting your rambling correctly there? Where exactly did I say that? I said that attracting new players by adding other pvp modes won't help cyrodiil, because if they wanted to play cyrodiil, they would already be playing ESO. So while more players is good for the game, it might not always be good for Cyrodiil.

As for the balance stuff, yes I do think that adding smaller scale PVP will force them to balance the classes more symmetrically than they currently are. For example, currently it doesn't really matter if my build has no good healing skills, because I'm part of a large alliance that has dedicated healers. When you narrow down the combat to 3vs3, you can't really afford to have a dedicated healer, or the enemy will just focus him and your team is dead. Therefore the builds that will do the best in arenas will end up being a jack of all trades type of build with self heals and nice shielding, but also with good damage and tankyness. Anyone who's build doesn't fit this description will freak out and demand balance changes. Eventually, there will be very little build variety if ZOS caves and caters to the arena players demands.

What's laughable, is that simply by me bringing up that new pvp modes would effect Cyrodiil, you've made all sorts of false assumptions about me, my playstyle and my desires. Why so defensive and why make it personal? I enjoy game development, game mechanics, and I enjoy a good debate about them. It's not about making me happy by keeping things unbalanced. It's about the fact that you want to change what is essentially a war, into a boxing match, and how that effects the build variety & their viability in this game.

LonePirate wrote: »

The Colovian Crossing 3v3v3 battleground that they show off at cons and trade shows (which numerous people have played) should have been added to the game months ago. With ZOS desperately searching for ways to fix the lag by spreading out the PVP population with the recent changes to delves and dolmens, CC's continued absence from the game is a real mystery to me. It is content that is already complete. It would help satisfy players seeking smaller scale gameplay. It would serve as new PVP content for the masses. It would reduce the zergs and the lag in the rest of Cyrodiil. I can't think of a good reason why it is not in the game already unless ZOS is trying to find a way to monetize it like everything else.

How exactly is that going to help lag and zerg in Cyrodiil? The people in Cyrodiil are still going to come together at some point and inevitably cause lag, they're still going to run in large groups. The only way I could see it actually reducing lag and zergs is if people abandoned Cyrodiil in such large numbers that it was a ghost town.

I would love it if they added the 3v3v3 arenas from conventions. I don't think it would hurt PVP at all, in fact it might help it. Seems PVP can sometimes turn into a collection of small battles going on all over the map while the PVPers try to take keeps but that can lead to the campaign being pop locked and no one can get in.

Bringing in these arenas would open up PVP for those who want to do it old school/Blackwater Blade style and those who just want some small scale/fun battles without fear of a zerg wiping them can be in the arena(s). Win-win.

Rook_Master wrote: »

Most people play AvA for the open-world, large-scale battles.

There are plenty of garbage MMOs with premades facerolling arenas and BGs.

No Thanks

-Zenimax, there are plenty of players tha don't want this, they are just not as vocal

yea I agree unless the arena is 1v1 you can take that premade BS elsewhere.
I am open to 2v2 and up as long as teams are random matchmaker and there is no way to que up at the same time to increase odds of getting semi-premades

Rook_Master wrote: »

Most people play AvA for the open-world, large-scale battles.

There are plentyof garbage MMOs with premades facerolling arenas and BGs.

Rook_Master, I have played open world pvp. I knew open world pvp. Open world pvp was a friend of mine. ESO, you're no open world pvp.

Cyrodiil is a large and relatively rigidly designed battlefield.

LonePirate wrote: »

unless ZOS is trying to find a way to monetize it like everything else.

Bingo. Winner.

I have a hard time seeing, given the way that ZOS has operated , how they could release it sooner than at a minimum couple months after console release (and likely later than that.) Hopefully, I am wrong.

Jakx wrote: »

This game is wildly imbalanced and gets away with a lot of it through the fact that its large scale pvp. You think the game is imbalanced now, it will only be worse when its put under the microscope of small group play such as arenas/battlegrounds.

Another wildly popular MMO made the same move some years ago with the addition of arenas and the lead developer said he regretted their implementation. His words were wildly taken out of context but he was basically talking about how the expectations of a balanced arena put the game under excess scrutiny from a portion of its player base and that they could never deliver on true balance. I am saying this as a player who achieve 2700 in those same arenas but even I understood the game wasn't built around them and it was wildly frustrating at times.

That said, the way this game is designed it would be even worse than that transition. I think it would only be a detriment to this game if they added them.

Having done organized pvp 1v1, 2v2, etc for the past year in this game. I can assure you it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

Nothing is more of a detriment to this game currently than the terrible Cyrodiil performance.

Nothing has driven more players from the game (well that or the VR grind, it's a toss-up).

And nothing seems more impossible for ZOS to fix.

No bloody WoW junk arenas and system where gear/build/smash buttons is the only factor that counts.

There are zillion games like that to choose from. Go play them and keep it away from ESO.

Astien wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Most people play AvA for the open-world, large-scale battles.

There are plenty of garbage MMOs with premades facerolling arenas and BGs.

No Thanks

-Zenimax, there are plenty of players tha don't want this, they are just not as vocal

This should read: "Most people play AvA Because there is no other option."

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Fix the lag? Yes!

Add instanced PvP?
Not for me, Cyrodiil is the only reason I am playing ESO and not *Insert random MMO containing instanced pvp here*...

Cyrodiil (with all its bugs, the lag and other problems) is what's making ESO unique for me. Introduce instanced pvp and many campaigns will turn into an empty wasteland. No thanks.

Better focus resources on fixing bugs, performance improvements and adding new features to Cyrodiil (have a look at my signature).

Just my opinion, not representing anyone else.

Cogo wrote: »

No bloody WoW junk arenas and system where gear/build/smash buttons is the only factor that counts.

There are zillion games like that to choose from. Go play them and keep it away from ESO.

Can you explain to me what part of the current AvA Zerg Meta counts for anything?

Some of you are commenting on this game's potential for Arena/BG as if you've played it before. This game's small scale combat is NOT like WOW.

Maybe it is not like WoW or GW2, I don't care

Don't get me wrong Sypher, you are surely one of the best PvP players in ESO, at least the best one having a stream and showcasing his fights/sessions.
Of course I do understand that especially skilled players like you want to compete against other teams/players on a small scale basis as it is more intense and the skills of a single player count more than in an open world PvP area where every small scale fight has the possibility to get stomped by a zerg oder just another group.

But I agree to others saying that instanced PvP would defintely cause damage to Cyrodiil gameplay. Lag aside, I assume many of us playing ESO like Cyrodiil and having Arenas and whatnot would pull off players from Cyrodiil AvA. We'd probably lose many players and ZOS may start removing campaigns again having us left with like 2 campaigns having still the same EP overpop and just ok AD and DC pop... but now just spread to let's say 2 campaigns... Yay...

So ZOS has to fix Cyrodiil before adding up other PvP bugholes introducing instanced PvP. At least that's what I'd wish them to do. I'd even wish for more Cyrodiil mechanics instead of adding instanced PvP but again, that's just me.

As the "PvP"-Dev team seems to be really small (otherwise we'd see more coming out of it) they have to focus on what is making ESO unique to many of us - Cyrodiil.