Keron wrote: »

They actually did the opposite. Gina announced limited time items even before the shop went live.

That was how I remembered it too...

c0rp wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As well, that Senche-Leopord is only available for a couple days..

Yeah, if I buy that thing, and see a "different shaded leopard" mount in a month Ill be pretty upset lol.

Well then u may as well be prepared to be "pretty upset" all the time. The Senche melodrama is just going to continue forever. People that did not qualify for the "loyalty" Senche can buy this one, people who miss this one will get to buy another in a month or two... on and on... this is how these things go.

The entire point of this new cat and the motifs, is to land some whales willing to repeatedly plunk down cash for things they are not willing to take the time to get in game. Seen it a million times in LotrO - where the be-all-end-all of totally shameless cash grabs "for convenience" that is Turbine has driven that game into the ground, busy as they are selling everything from cosmetics to completely leveled characters, armor, stats, legendary weapon traits, on and on.

That ZoS is following this path already is not a surprise given how they handled the original Senche offer in the first place. Devaluing motifs by selling them in the store is just par for the course.

Soulshine wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As well, that Senche-Leopord is only available for a couple days..

Yeah, if I buy that thing, and see a "different shaded leopard" mount in a month Ill be pretty upset lol.

Well then u may as well be prepared to be "pretty upset" all the time. The Senche melodrama is just going to continue forever. People that did not qualify for the "loyalty" Senche can buy this one, people who miss this one will get to buy another in a month or two... on and on... this is how these things go.

The entire point of this new cat and the motifs, is to land some whales willing to repeatedly plunk down cash for things they are not willing to take the time to get in game. Seen it a million times in LotrO - where the be-all-end-all of totally shameless cash grabs "for convenience" that is Turbine has driven that game into the ground, busy as they are selling everything from cosmetics to completely leveled characters, armor, stats, legendary weapon traits, on and on.

That ZoS is following this path already is not a surprise given how they handled the original Senche offer in the first place. Devaluing motifs by selling them in the store is just par for the course.

How long did it take before Turbine actually started selling high tier gear as a "convenience" item?

starkerealm wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As well, that Senche-Leopord is only available for a couple days..

Yeah, if I buy that thing, and see a "different shaded leopard" mount in a month Ill be pretty upset lol.

Well then u may as well be prepared to be "pretty upset" all the time. The Senche melodrama is just going to continue forever. People that did not qualify for the "loyalty" Senche can buy this one, people who miss this one will get to buy another in a month or two... on and on... this is how these things go.

The entire point of this new cat and the motifs, is to land some whales willing to repeatedly plunk down cash for things they are not willing to take the time to get in game. Seen it a million times in LotrO - where the be-all-end-all of totally shameless cash grabs "for convenience" that is Turbine has driven that game into the ground, busy as they are selling everything from cosmetics to completely leveled characters, armor, stats, legendary weapon traits, on and on.

That ZoS is following this path already is not a surprise given how they handled the original Senche offer in the first place. Devaluing motifs by selling them in the store is just par for the course.

How long did it take before Turbine actually started selling high tier gear as a "convenience" item?

I remember that the game went F2P in October 2010, and by the following spring they were already selling Virtue Packs in the store, items which would be the equivalent of selling Champion Points here since Virtues in LotrO directly impact power stats. By far THE MOST offensive thing they could have done. Raid gear had never been for sale, that I know of. After that it was legendary weapon legacy removal scrolls, which used to ONLY be available in game. Suddenly they became rare as he{{ to get and in the store, then it was legendary weapon traits themselves, then armor packs, the more stat packs, then level 50 characters..... oh yeah, and Store Mannequins in game to get you to buy cosmetic bundles.... excuse me while I go throw up my dinner remembering the list....

Soulshine wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As well, that Senche-Leopord is only available for a couple days..

Yeah, if I buy that thing, and see a "different shaded leopard" mount in a month Ill be pretty upset lol.

Well then u may as well be prepared to be "pretty upset" all the time. The Senche melodrama is just going to continue forever. People that did not qualify for the "loyalty" Senche can buy this one, people who miss this one will get to buy another in a month or two... on and on... this is how these things go.

The entire point of this new cat and the motifs, is to land some whales willing to repeatedly plunk down cash for things they are not willing to take the time to get in game. Seen it a million times in LotrO - where the be-all-end-all of totally shameless cash grabs "for convenience" that is Turbine has driven that game into the ground, busy as they are selling everything from cosmetics to completely leveled characters, armor, stats, legendary weapon traits, on and on.

That ZoS is following this path already is not a surprise given how they handled the original Senche offer in the first place. Devaluing motifs by selling them in the store is just par for the course.

Potential upcoming senches, not including the Senche-Leopard (datamined):
Clouded Senche-Leopard
Black Senche-Panther
Senche-Lioness
Just wait it out for the one you actually want

I dont find prohibitve to sell items. They need make money. No problem on that.
But i dislike a lot "chacter only" items.

I love account unlock items. I would prefer pay much more for account wide unlocks.

So since these motifs unlocks are character only, i think they are expensive by that.

Ive spent a good sum of money on ESO. I have all the armor looks (but the bride, weaponsmit and waiter thing) and i dont mind spend money in a game. Ive unlocked many mounts on Crown Store, and i will buy the new cat too.

I just really think that some items as these motifs and the healing items could have some kind of version permanent/acc wide that could costs much much more, but i would glad pay for it.
But thats just my opinion.

Sorry for bad grammar. Im not from english language country.

These all look like good crown items to me. None of them make you more powerful other than the ring of mara XP thing which has always been purchased with real cash I might add. Furthermore, that is a problem with the CP system, not with the ring as, in the days of level caps, how fast you got there made no difference.

The Senche-Leopard looks cool by the way. It is nice to see a variety of mounts running about. Things were a little monotonous in the days of everybody runs a brown speed horse all the time.

I am also a fan of the idea of motifs being sold as these were picked up by folks running bots in large numbers for a very long time and a great deal of gold was made by those who did. Any change that is bad for folks running bots is good in my book. I will cry no tears for the diminishing of value of any activity that can be easily scripted. How about making nirncrux a crafting writ box drop instead of a harvest node pick up. That might fix some issues with folks running bots in northern craig.

ZOS doesn't give a rattzazz about crafters or those that have been learning these styles etc since the beginning.

They said (I laugh hearing myself say "they said" gullible much?)...they said there would never be gear that is IN THE GAME better than can be crafted. Yeah, right. Monster sets, drops from barrels and crates...

What a waste.

A waste of time farming motifs.
A waste of time since early launch getting my research in on time.
A waste of time learning Nirn traits for a lousy set like Twice-Born Star.
A waste of time trying to sell crafted gear sets to make money to fix my own dang gear.
A waste of time grinding mobs in dwemer dungeons for a trait chapter.
A waste of time farming Nirn.

A waste of Money for banks slots for keeping materials for crafting.
A waste of money for buying Nirn traits.
A waste of money for bag slots.

A complete slap in the face that has been coming, now delivered with a happy face from ZOS.

In a few short months they have now ruined the game economy of all crafters, gatherers, farmers.

Those fanbois out there will say aww it's not so bad. They are willing to pay $29.99 for 5,500 crowns (not 40 or 50 as stated. ITS a measly 30 BUX).

Where's the monster sets ZOs?
Those missing Shoulders for their sets? Don't worry you can buy it soon.
Want ALL the RECIPES? get your Tamriel Cookbook!
How about a Cyrodill Siege Backpack? complete with every siege in game.
Need to learn a craft quickly? Get yer Crafters Journal here, learn a whole craft for crowns.
Hel-Ra Potions! now worth 8000 dps against bosses...


"Never better than what's in game"...a repair kit that repairs ALL GEAR at once?
*A complete dwemer book that is "reportedly in the game"...show me! no one has ever found it. Makes it hard to believe it exists. But wait...now with a ginsu knife of your choice! Go to store!

The only Enlightened going on now is ZOS's bank account. The rest of us look pretty DIM for believing there was any exclusivity, or integrity...

...does my character look bent over on your screen too?

OMG they added another cosmetic item to the crown store, next thing you know you'll be able to buy fully leveled characters with maxed out skills, all skill points, maxed cp, maxed ap, all motifs and 10,000,000 gold in the bank!!!

I love it when people over react.

Is Ring/Pledge of Mara in game? I don't think so. You either had to get the imperial edition, or buy through crown store.

I've been wondering for some time now, why is it not findable in game?

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Rings of mara is a yes for me. Motifs ... if they have the purple and imperial motifs welp good by wasting 60k gold :-D

Not looking good if just weeks after the buy to play conversion we're already seeing valuable items for sale in the cash shop, devaluing the ones people earned or bought in game immediately. Rare or valuable items shouldn't be for sale for cash in the first place and I'm concerned this is going to just be the start of a barrage of these kinds of things.

Agree 100%

JD2013 wrote: »

Though one has to wonder if they'll be giving a ninja nerf to drop rates . . .

They already did. Drop rates went way down when 1.6 hit. I guess, in retrospect this was the obvious reason for it.

starkerealm wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Though one has to wonder if they'll be giving a ninja nerf to drop rates . . .

They already did. Drop rates went way down when 1.6 hit. I guess, in retrospect this was the obvious reason for it.

hmm... that's a shame.

It's not overreacting - It's plainly and simply a *** move by Zenimax. Allow me to elaborate.

For over 9 months now I've vested hundreds of hours into farming Epic Motifs. I've even got it down to an almost exact science and regularly at any one point have ten or so Daedrics and AE's up for sale on guild stores at any point in time. I don't even bother farming Cadwell's Silver Motifs anymore because of it.

This for me, and for many others in my guild is our lifeblood. 35K for an AE, and 45K for a Daedric is the standard rate. And I sell them frequently at those prices. This is how we make our money in game.

It's what pays for Guild Trader bids. It's what pays for the stacks of Mats we need. We even raffle off one a week as an incentive. Its how we survive.

By introducing it as a purchasable item within the Crown store, Zenimax have effective screwed the economy. 1500 Crowns for one Epic Motif. $1500 = $15, so $15 per motif effectively. If you look at market price on Gold, its about $60 for 100,000 gold, so that works out to 25k a Motif. Nearly HALF what we currently sell them for. Now you tell me, will people prefer to pay gold or real money at that price? Look at Diablo 3's Auction house if you want a historic account of which way the pendulum swings..

Half the Income = Twice the effort trying to make ends meet as a guild.

We put a lot of hard work in farming this stuff. That's why its so costly. If you can't afford it go farm it yourself and put the time and effort in that we do, don't whinge and *** about how expensive they are to buy in game. But then again we are a convenience society and more often than not people will just be happy to flip out the plastic than go to any effort to get anywhere.

And Zenimax - shame on you. You said this would never become Buy to Win but a move like this is one step closer to it. You've effectively ripped the profit out of the guilds pockets and lined your own with it. Nice way to encourage community spirit!

Ashtaris wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Though one has to wonder if they'll be giving a ninja nerf to drop rates . . .

They already did. Drop rates went way down when 1.6 hit. I guess, in retrospect this was the obvious reason for it.

I'm not sure if the dropped rate changed, but certainly the chances of finding motifs changed when they started filling cabinets and other containers with Legerdemain items. I will admit that farming motifs is much harder now. I did so to make some in-game gold and was an enjoyable part of the game. Now farming motifs will be almost as worthless as the equipment crafting writs.

Wait, what? Are you trying to tell me my weapons AREN'T getting to the front lines???