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Breath of Life Nerf?
Rook_Master
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EDIT2(May 21): Zenimax announced they will not be fixing the animation time, because the ability is "powerful."
EDIT: DISREGARD MY POST
Gina has responded, and her original phrasing was simply worded strangely, and they are actually just planning on speeding up the animation for Breath of Life.
Move Along.
This is a quote from Gina that includes a statement on a possible change to Breath of Life. It can be found at this link:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1706625/#Comment_1706625
Can we get some clarification as to whether a cast timer is actually under consideration for this skill? Because if that is true it will kill Templar healers.
We all groaned when Restoring Light passives were nerfed to not work with Resto Staff, but we begrudgingly accepted it. However, I think people can agree we have to draw the line at this. This would change the game in its current state entirely, and deserves more than a passing mention.
If this is some misguided attempt to equalize all the classes with regards to the Healing role, then it is executed poorly. None of the Templar's healing abilities would ever be a better choice than Healing Springs. Arguably, Sorcerers would instantly become the #1 healers because of their class passives.
Most Templars are willing to accept sub-par Magicka DPS because they are the best healers. If that is no longer the case, it becomes unacceptable.
So please, for everyone's sanity can Zenimax please address this issue?
Thank You,
EDIT: DISREGARD MY POST
Gina has responded, and her original phrasing was simply worded strangely, and they are actually just planning on speeding up the animation for Breath of Life.
Move Along.
This is a quote from Gina that includes a statement on a possible change to Breath of Life. It can be found at this link:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1706625/#Comment_1706625
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As promised, here is an update for some of the abilities that were called out. Keep in mind we tried to focus only on abilities that appeared to be bugged, and not actual design decisions. We know some of the answers may seem a little vague, but we honestly just don't have a solid date yet for some of these fixes. Hope this helps, though, and let us know if you have any follow up questions!
- Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.
Can we get some clarification as to whether a cast timer is actually under consideration for this skill? Because if that is true it will kill Templar healers.
We all groaned when Restoring Light passives were nerfed to not work with Resto Staff, but we begrudgingly accepted it. However, I think people can agree we have to draw the line at this. This would change the game in its current state entirely, and deserves more than a passing mention.
If this is some misguided attempt to equalize all the classes with regards to the Healing role, then it is executed poorly. None of the Templar's healing abilities would ever be a better choice than Healing Springs. Arguably, Sorcerers would instantly become the #1 healers because of their class passives.
Most Templars are willing to accept sub-par Magicka DPS because they are the best healers. If that is no longer the case, it becomes unacceptable.
So please, for everyone's sanity can Zenimax please address this issue?
Thank You,
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MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some clarification would be fantastic. This has many Templars shaking with fear.
Please clarify. As well, if you actually meant you will be adding a cast time, pleas rethink this decision!Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm just saying, this would be it, this would be it to ruin PvE in it's current state. It'll be over guys#MOREORBS3 -
Xendyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That change is supposed to help something? TrololololLag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭It won't be the sorcerer the best healer, it will be NB and DK. But it's not the subject.
I'm not a templar (my templar is level 22 actually), but as I sorc I know how a cast time can properly kill a competence. I think adding a cast time to breath of life is a very, very bad idea.1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have to be reading that wrong? The solution to the lag at the begining of a skill is to put a cast time on it, so the Actual problem is just hidden?1 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Shhhhhhvyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I have to be reading that wrong? The solution to the lag at the begining of a skill is to put a cast time on it, so the Actual problem is just hidden?
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerWow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.23 -
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@ZOS_GinaBruno i think i like youZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
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nalimoleb14_ESO✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
Gina saves the day!1 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
Thank You Gina!
I will edit my OP now.0 -
stabbykitteh✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
Heart attack averted. Thank you
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✭✭Whew!Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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kkravaritieb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Can you take a look to healing ritual maybe?...I think the cast time should be removed and adjust the healing accordingly.Member of the glorious Zerg Squad
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✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
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Edited by Quintal on April 8, 2015 6:23PM''Subscription fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren't willing to make.''-Matt FirorNick Konkle no longer part of ZOSMaria Aliprando no longer part of ZOSPaul Sage no longer part of ZOS5 -
MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TEMPLARS! We must unite in these rocky times! We must come together...
*reads*ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
*slowly sets down pitchfork and tears well up in eyes*
Thank you Gina. You are amazing.
April fools was awhile ago though.. you shouldn't worry us like this lolLone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord4 -
jluceyub17_ESO✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
Confirmed: Lag issue has spread to April Fools, all hope is lost.3 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
Awesome! Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno for the information on that spell. It had almost become as bad as Healing Ritual....NA Server - Kildair0 -
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✭So, Gina's update today clarifies that after taking a look at the problem, it is not after all a bug, and nothing is going to be changed. Templars are simply supposed to be 'just slower... by design':
'Rushed Ceremony has a noticeable animation delay. The launch frame of this ability is just slower than some of the other abilities by design. Since Rushed Ceremony is already very powerful, we’re ok with the fact that part of the skill of using this ability effectively is being able to anticipate damage.'Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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@MissBizz , about that pitchfork..TEMPLARS! We must unite in these rocky times! We must come together...
*reads*ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
*slowly sets down pitchfork and tears well up in eyes*
Thank you Gina. You are amazing.
April fools was awhile ago though.. you shouldn't worry us like this lol0 -
jnjdun_ESO✭✭✭david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »So, Gina's update today clarifies that after taking a look at the problem, it is not after all a bug, and nothing is going to be changed. Templars are simply supposed to be 'just slower... by design':
'Rushed Ceremony has a noticeable animation delay. The launch frame of this ability is just slower than some of the other abilities by design. Since Rushed Ceremony is already very powerful, we’re ok with the fact that part of the skill of using this ability effectively is being able to anticipate damage.'
Every Templar's reaction to this:
Giggle Purrz'Pantz Khajiit Templar
Fuzzy Jenna'Tullz Khajiit DK
Eileen U'Lickette Bosmer Sorc
Ginny Fleasly Khajiit NB
Jenny Tull'Whortz Bosmer baby NB2 -
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@MissBizz , about that pitchfork..TEMPLARS! We must unite in these rocky times! We must come together...
*reads*ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Wow, sorry guys. That was 100% my fault and just poor (ie: wrong!) wording. What we're planning to do is increase the animation, not the cast time. A faster animation will result in the heal occurring sooner after the button is pressed.
*slowly sets down pitchfork and tears well up in eyes*
Thank you Gina. You are amazing.
April fools was awhile ago though.. you shouldn't worry us like this lol
Oh sorry, had them locked up. *unlocks barns* Go grab one!
But wait... hopefully Gina saves us again this time? Please?Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How many times has a bug been automagically turned into a "feature" after it gets "looked at" and determined it can't be fixed easily?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Are you actually admitting to balancing the game with bugs?!?!?!?!?
"Meh, that one's a tricky one to fix. We could actually fix it but that would take a lot of effort and time. Let's just say it was intended! That's a powerful heal anyway, they can deal with a little delay. "
Here's the fatal flaw with pretending it was intended the whole time: IT WASN'T LIKE THAT IN 1.5!!!!! So if we were to suspend all common sense and disbelief for a second, then it was an intended nerf to templars in 1.6. And a ninja nerf, (the worst kind of nerf), at that. Or Templar is the only class that is balanced by bugs and broken abilities. Pick one.
Since the ability in action no longer matches the tooltip description, please make the following changes to the tooltip for Rushed Ceremony.- Please change the name of this ability to "Lethargic Ceremony" since my character obviously isn't in any sort of rush.
- Please change the cast time from "instant" to the actual cast time. Put this in miliseconds or fractional seconds if needed.
- Please include all future nerfs to templar clearly in patch notes. Ninja nerfs are very frustrating and hurtful the the community. That and bugged abilities (cough...charge...cough) make me not want to log in and YOLO things anymore. It's that simple.
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