RealRobD wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

Tarrin wrote: »

Is solo PvE too easy?

Nope, fine by me, group stuff is where challenges belong thanks.

Agreed. This is a game not a job. It should be fairly easy.

Battleshout of the mediocrity......

OnTopic:
The game unfortunately is way too easy now.
I guess its to prepare for the console-release. I´m afraid for the consoleros the game will still be way too hard, so they will nerf even more.

The issue is, a lot of us older gamers have played games where PvE was *NOT* easy. Everquest is a prime example. For those who never experienced it, imagine vanilla WoW .... and now multiply by a factor of 10. Very slow Xp gains. Xp loss when you die, which could potentially mean you lost a level you had just gained. Respawning naked after you died, and having to make your way to your corpse to get your gear back. The list goes on and on, but it made EQ a *very* challenging game. A raid wipe meant that you either had to work some very tricky tactics to get your bodies back; or you called in help from the server; or you kissed your character's gear goodbye. Those were your options.

Games like EQ took YEARS to reach endgame, but nobody really complained because that was the standard of MMOs at that point in time.

Now that games are much easier, allowing for a fast-tracking of the leveling experience to get to endgame, very few gamers really yearn for the games of old.

Modern MMOs such as ESO have an easy PvE levelling experience, because they cater to the modern gamer, and also because a lot of MMOs now are built for end-game. That's where your gamers eventually end up, and that's where you need to focus to keep them entertained. EQ proved that, even with their torturous levelling experience. You had to keep moving that carrot along on the string, or people would get bored and move on to something else.

Aaramis wrote: »

Modern MMOs such as ESO have an easy PvE levelling experience, because they cater to the modern gamer, and also because a lot of MMOs now are built for end-game. That's where your gamers eventually end up, and that's where you need to focus to keep them entertained. EQ proved that, even with their torturous levelling experience. You had to keep moving that carrot along on the string, or people would get bored and move on to something else.

its only easy because half the game consist of crybabies that wanted easy gameplay and dropped subscription fees.. well they got all of that (in addition to nerfs)

Razzak wrote: »

How does GW2 manage to offer a challenging content and still retain typical MMO players? And be one of the best if not the best MMO on the market, today?

aside from having a great market economy, and tons of stuff to do everywhere, the game is 100% balanced in every aspect.. if you go to a low level map, your level and stats scale according to the level of that map, on top of that the game has INCREDIBLE performance.. takes me 1.5 seconds to start the launcher, 4 seconds create the game window and get to the character screen, and 8 ~ 10 seconds to load the game map

Tarrin wrote: »

How do you feel solo pve after 1.6?

It is for faceroll style made, IMHO (NB dual/bow/craft set). Even public group dungeon, even most of "skull" bosses. I close them solo.

I`m imagine, how staves AOE build feels. It makes me sad. I`m subscriber since CBT, and remember "how it was". They`ve broken battlefie...ESO.

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May difficulty settings will be? For those nerds like me.

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P.S. Why low hp humanoids are not running for help?

I am one hundred percent with you mate. It's way too easy. It's so easy a blind pig on a trackpad could beat it. And when somebody else shows up, it's so easy that a grilled pig could beat it.

And yes, why npcs at low health don't run away but just stand there ready to be slaughtered is beyond me.

GreySix wrote: »

Tarrin wrote: »

How do you feel solo pve after 1.6?

It is for faceroll style made, IMHO (NB dual/bow/craft set). Even public group dungeon, even most of "skull" bosses. I close them solo.

I`m imagine, how staves AOE build feels. It makes me sad. I`m subscriber since CBT, and remember "how it was". They`ve broken battlefie...ESO.

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May difficulty settings will be? For those nerds as me.

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P.S. Why low hp humanoids are not running for help?

I'd support difficulty settings for PvE, though don't know how the developers would implement it in an MMO, without instancing the entire world.

As to making the game harder by yourself, try the following:

- Wear only Level 1 armor, unenchanted
- Use no food or drink
- Use only Level 1 weapons, unenchanted
- Use no potions or enchanted jewelry of any kind
- Disable most of your higher-level skills

Then the game should subsequently become more difficult.

Of course people can do that. But for most people the meta game is a lot of fun, me included. If I can't optimize my build, optimize my food and potion usage, craft cool gear, etc. then what's the point in playing this mmo. Sure I can run around naked with my sword and club the npcs to death without using armor or skills, but that would be a too one-dimensional game that I wouldn't enjoy/buy. Think about buying a fantastic race car for $100k and then driving it in a race against children on go-karts. That's how the npcs currently feel.

I want to play ESO as it is, only with a challenge. In fact, I want the old difficulty settings back, especially the old veteran difficulty. They've built such a great game and they're killing the fun by nerfing everything to the ground. I want to be happy to level up so I can craft better armor, to finally be more powerful, instead of being afraid of a level up because it will make things even more easy.

They could have mobs of different difficulty levels spread through all zones, so that the best players can do all content solo and the not so good players can't do all content or have to group up.

Also. Why are telegraphs and traps so weak? What's the point in them?
There is no need to rolldodge.

GreySix wrote: »

Difficulty is in the eye of the beholder. My wife and I play cooperatively, and we've seen our characters killed by mobs at or near level.

For every "twitch-master" youngster out there who has mastered all aspects of this MMO interface and thinks the difficulty is too low, there are likely dozens of casual players who don't post here, play on weekends or when they get time, and find the gameplay difficult enough as it is.

Such casual players don't want to log in, develop a character and then get their butts kicked after a short learning curve. They want to kill time and have fun in an immersive world.

What he said.

Tarrin wrote: »

sigsergv wrote: »

Even pack with two Scaled Court Illusionists in Craglorn?

Craglorn is the group adventure zone, it`s the difference.

It's still PVE and if you're overpowered you can solo most of it's content. With decent gear you can solo anomalies and quest bosses (except, maybe, a few most powerful). Yesterday I've almost finised anomaly solo with just basic medium armor (except 3 pieces of dreugh king slayer) and with 2h skills only.

Tarrin wrote: »

sigsergv wrote: »

Leveling content is supposed to be easy.

I don`t ask about Dark Soul game difficulty (but optional it would be great). I understand gamer, who doesn`t want exert oneself. But it`s not for me.

e.g. Diablo. There are difficulty settings for simple gamers, also for hardcore gamers. Yeah, it`s cooperative, not full mmorpg. But ESO isn`t full mmorpg in solo PvE too, more like single + some coop game.

OK, I got your point. It would be great to have that difficulty slider, with better rewards for example. But “easy” content must be there anyway.

This is my first MMO. I like the Elder Scroll universe, so against my earlier reservations with mmos I bought the game. And to tell the truth it could be enjoyable. The graphic is good, the crafting is ok, the quests aren't so boring.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is NO CHALLENGE. It is like some tamagotchi. I can craft nice armors for my character, I can dye the clothes, join a guild, and go for a quest, where the largest challenge is to run from A to B. But why to craft armors, if they arent needed in solo? My first character is on level 14, and I don't want to play with it, because most of the quests are too easy. It is only some time consuming.

I tryed a new game with a friend. He is an mmo-virgin as well. But the enemies have the same levels and numbers, so the game is more easy. Ok, we can chat during the game, which makes it enjoyable, so at the moment we continue the rampage of our duo, but we expected something different.

The developers said, that this game aims the ES fans and the mmo players. I think the solo difficulty is very easy for earlier ES players (or for anybody).

Why isn't there some difficulty slider?

It is blatantly too easy in solo content. So easy, it discourages grouping and making friends. In the other two MMOs I have played grouping to fight helped, not hindered. A single enemy was about all a player could take at the same level, so to fight multiple enemies you had to be very good or in a group.

In ESO you need to fight about 5 enemies by yourself to have some type of mental exercise.

Difficulty of a game is rather hard thing to balance.
If you make the game too easy, you're gonna have a hard time fending off noobs that reach max level still without learning to play properly.
If you make it too hard, noone except the most hardcore fans will play it.



I think ESO's doing a good job promoting team play with it's synergy system, but I think it could be improved upon immensely..
- we have almost no group buffs
- debuffs that help your party are laughably weak, probably out of fear of making them OP
- most synergies are no improvement (in terms of support or dps) to using your normal abilities, thus, almost noone activates them even while in group
- average mob's HP vs average player's dps is ridiculous


From the "fun" standpoint, I think I'd rather fight 100 tough enemies that know how to fight, and grant high XP, than figthing 10 000 fleas I can massacre by groups.
For example:
- monster is actively trying to use tactics against you (shielded ones fight you while blocking your attacks, rogue-like try to get behind you and dodge your attacks, if you have a ranged weapon, mobs would try to hide out of your sight while advancing towards you to take you out in melee, etc)

- blocking/dodging/deflecting would be almost free, but also essential to combat, unless you really want to die (to keep it balanced, block should only work from frontal cone, and your turning speed while blocking should be really slow, while dodging and deflecting attacks would require good timing)

- abilities should cost MUCH resources (to prevent overuse) AND have conditions to be usable (e.g. opponent must be staggered for knockdown to work, must be behind target to stun, target under 20% to attempt instant decapitation, etc etc), BUT also make that much impact on fight. Main source of damage should be light and heavy attacks (2handed weapons SHOULD NOT have light attack available though. For realistic combat)

- spells should cost quite a bit of magicka, but also deal immense damage if you manage to hit your target instead of your allies (though implementing "realistic" spells without "skillshot" functionality is impossible). Mages would be weak against nimble enemies to balance it out.. you can't kill what you can't hit

If you need inspiration about group play, just watch/read Log Horizon or Sword Art Online

Don't know why this thread got resurrected, but it looks like I need to refill my cookie dispenser for all the bada$$es around here...

Thread Necromancy?