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Auction House ?
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More accurate to say many of us hopes it never happens. After all, many of the core game mechanics are built around trading guilds.
More accurate to say some people who play don't want it, some people do want it.
And a whole bunch of people who stopped financially supporting the game might just come back if they implemented it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I have never had a problem joining a trade guild right in Mournhold. They work because the guild leaders make sure only active people stay in.
So you have to be a regular seller in order to be able to sell at all?
Thanks, I'll add that to my list of restrictions in the existing system.3 -
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More like a regular player. Monitoring each person's trading habits is a bit of a hassle, guilds typically kick people when they don't log in for X days.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I have never had a problem joining a trade guild right in Mournhold. They work because the guild leaders make sure only active people stay in.
So you have to be a regular seller in order to be able to sell at all?
Thanks, I'll add that to my list of restrictions in the existing system.
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FooWasHere✭✭✭AshySamurai wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Unfortunately no AH.
I would say gladly no AH.
Agree, it's one of the best ideas in game economy I've seen. It's a fun but in itself, rather than just a dreary tool.1 -
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More like a regular player. Monitoring each person's trading habits is a bit of a hassle, guilds typically kick people when they don't log in for X days.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I have never had a problem joining a trade guild right in Mournhold. They work because the guild leaders make sure only active people stay in.
So you have to be a regular seller in order to be able to sell at all?
Thanks, I'll add that to my list of restrictions in the existing system.
"X" being typically?0 -
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Tbh, I'm not sure. ITC is my only trading guild and consequently the only one that enforces an inactivity policy. We're currently at 14 days. I've seen the same in a few other guilds, but I don't know if it is typical.
More like a regular player. Monitoring each person's trading habits is a bit of a hassle, guilds typically kick people when they don't log in for X days.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I have never had a problem joining a trade guild right in Mournhold. They work because the guild leaders make sure only active people stay in.
So you have to be a regular seller in order to be able to sell at all?
Thanks, I'll add that to my list of restrictions in the existing system.
"X" being typically?1 -
Chuggernaut✭✭✭Arizona_Willie wrote: »I keep getting emails wanting me to come back.
Did they ever put an Auction House in the game?
With all the crafting that is core to this game, an AH is a necessity.
Public Guild Stores are NOT the answer.
I wish, but still no.
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wraith808✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I have never had a problem joining a trade guild right in Mournhold. They work because the guild leaders make sure only active people stay in.
So you have to be a regular seller in order to be able to sell at all?
Thanks, I'll add that to my list of restrictions in the existing system.
No. Not a regular seller. Just active.
What active means varies by guild. But... that's player driven.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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doggie✭✭✭When I returned yesterday I was all alone in 5 trading guilds, so I quit them all and joined a new one, I wanted to buy some iron ore, but my new 300 member trade guild didn't have any iron ore for sale, so no iron for me. It's a very typical scenario I remember from last year too.
I like to craft normal gear at various levels, last year I remeber it was really hard to take any profit, I would have to charge 2500 gold per item to really profit on the materials when selling a blue item, and those sold really poorly.
It was mostly enchantments I sold to other enchanters that made any sales.
I don't plan to level up much this time, and I'll just stay at around lvl 15-20 and mess around untill I'm tired of the game, one plan is to try and sell some gear at around the starting dungeon levels.0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭When I returned yesterday I was all alone in 5 trading guilds, so I quit them all and joined a new one, I wanted to buy some iron ore, but my new 300 member trade guild didn't have any iron ore for sale, so no iron for me. It's a very typical scenario I remember from last year too.
I like to craft normal gear at various levels, last year I remeber it was really hard to take any profit, I would have to charge 2500 gold per item to really profit on the materials when selling a blue item, and those sold really poorly.
It was mostly enchantments I sold to other enchanters that made any sales.
I don't plan to level up much this time, and I'll just stay at around lvl 15-20 and mess around untill I'm tired of the game, one plan is to try and sell some gear at around the starting dungeon levels.
Go to a place where there are trading stalls, and don't just look at your own. I figured I'd throw this out since depending on when you left, that might not have been a viable option with all of them being in Cyrodiil. But in each major city, there are at least a few places where you can check. You don't have to join a guild to shop.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then
lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
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✭Agree AH is a must people spamming in chat 24/7 + its pain to find what your looking for!3 -
pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭As with many other "features" of this game, the guild store system is a tiresome annoying waste of time for players. Between the time spent trying to trade and juggling 5 alts for inventory management, i'd wager only 50% of my gameplay is actual gameplay.
If it's not fun and can be fixed, don't expect it to be fixed. Just look at the looking for group mechanism.End the tedious inventory management game.4 -
pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭b_archaonpreeb18_ESO wrote: »The system is fine as it is.
If you want to find a rare item, you have to put some effort instead of opening a window, scrolling to about 20 such 'rare' items and selecting the cheapest.
It promotes arbitrage and bargains. Sellers can corner their part of the market, buying cheap and selling higher, without having to compete with every other seller on the server. Buyers can find really cheap items, that would have been scooped up at once in an auction house system.
The possible improvements I can think of are: A couple more guild slots; More sorting options in the shop screen; Customizable store fronts.
This post will be copied and pasted on any clone threads that will inevitably happen. Perhaps you are reading a clone thread right now
You just described everything that is wrong with the system as if it is a positive feature. Sellers being able to corner the market is BAD. Being able to quickly and easily find what you want, buying it, and then moving on is GOOD. Running around to 15 different kiosks performing manual searches to find an item? BAD.
A single efficient database is the only way to go. Segmenting them into different groups as we have now is a convoluted hassle.End the tedious inventory management game.6 -
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✭AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.Edited by Drachenfier on March 19, 2015 1:58PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
There are now 142 Guild traders in Tamriel (126 from before + 16 new ones in Outlaw Refuges). I don't see how anyone can "corner the market" in that set up.The Moot Councillor3 -
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✭Not having an AH has saved this game's economy multiple time now. It also makes a gold sellers job more difficult which s great in my book. I like the fractured economy in this game and prefer it over an AH. Sure the system in place could use some improvements but overall I really like the approach. No AH please ZOS
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✭Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
There are now 142 Guild traders in Tamriel (126 from before + 16 new ones in Outlaw Refuges). I don't see how anyone can "corner the market" in that set up.
What's the point then, of segregating the markets? If "so many guild traders" are readily available, then just centralize it and call it a day.2 -
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✭The other element that I think many don't account for, is that the Guild system is a Gold sink for ZoS. Bids for Guild Trader Outposts are in 7 figures on a weekly basis (for certain areas). In TamrielsTraders we bid in 6 figures for ours and lost him this week
(and on a side note, we are happy for people to come join the guild - we are pretty chilled and more about the community - see my Sig for link...)
I won't go into the whole why an AH should or should not be implemented as I've been there, done that, but the only reason anyone has for wanting an AH is that "they can not be bothered to travel around looking and want everything immediately at their finger tips without having to do anything".
People scream and shout about Lore, but I don;t remember there ever being an Amazon in Tamriel?
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The other element that I think many don't account for, is that the Guild system is a Gold sink for ZoS. Bids for Guild Trader Outposts are in 7 figures on a weekly basis (for certain areas). In TamrielsTraders we bid in 6 figures for ours and lost him this week (and on a side note, we are happy for people to come join the guild - we are pretty chilled and more about the community - see my Sig for link...)
I won't go into the whole why an AH should or should not be implemented as I've been there, done that, but the only reason anyone has for wanting an AH is that "they can not be bothered to travel around looking and want everything immediately at their finger tips without having to do anything".
People scream and shout about Lore, but I don;t remember there ever being an Amazon in Tamriel?
That's far from being the only reason people want an AH. Others include the fact that they'd like to be able to sell without having to belong to a guild. It hardly strengthens your case for guild stores (or your guild recruitment advert) that you lost yours this week!1 -
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✭Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
Well, in that case I feel really sorry for you.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!1 -
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✭AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
To be fair the game does change enough to warrant new discussions even on old topics. Honestly If I see a thread that hasn't had a response in enough time to keep it on the first couple pages it is an irrelevant topic at that point. I hear you in that this topic has been pretty much beat down and buried but if it's an old topic and they believe in it they are going to disregard it too and post a new one...just sayin. Search is great but it's not really that useful considering how much changes in game over a couple months time.2 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭AshySamurai wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
Well, in that case I feel really sorry for you.
And I for you, since this rather simple point seems to escape you:Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.3 -
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✭Drachenfier wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
There are now 142 Guild traders in Tamriel (126 from before + 16 new ones in Outlaw Refuges). I don't see how anyone can "corner the market" in that set up.
What's the point then, of segregating the markets? If "so many guild traders" are readily available, then just centralize it and call it a day.
Why keep asking the same bloody question? You've heard why centralising is a bad idea. It breaks the economy. People undercut one another until there's absolutely nothing left, crafters are unable to make their money back, regular players are unable to make decent gold and STILL the best items get jacked up in price - leaving an entire population with little gold and no way to afford to buy the best stuff.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges1 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭I make plenty of money just selling everything to the NPC vendors. Yep, that included every color of the ingame rainbow of item quality. When there's an AH, I'll sell stuff to other people. While there's "guild traders" I'll just give the local provisioning vendor my purple and yellow items for a hundred gold or so. Maybe he'll want to deal with running around to kiosks if he gets a break from his script. I won't.I've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.5 -
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✭Drachenfier wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »So Ashy, what are your thoughts on an AH then lol
I'm so tired of prooving why AH will kill all economic in game. Tired of providing links to ZOS's posts. It's even not funny anymore, it's rather sad. Sad that people think that no need to check previous discussion. Sad that they are too lazy and too unwise to keep this place constructive and civilian. Sad that most people don't use search tool and asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. This topic it totally useless.
I think you mean "sad that they hold a different opinion to you".
The OP is right. The guild store system does not provide an effective means of public trading, and its retention is only sought by those who belong to the guilds that corner the market in kiosks. Well, the rest of us would quite like to be able to sell stuff too, and have a lot less hassle finding the other stuff that we want to buy. Whether it's an AH or some other form of public trading, there needs to be a better system than the one we have currently. That's why it's an issue that comes up so frequently.
@Tandor nope, I'm absoultely fine if someone have different opinion. It make you to look different on the same question.Drachenfier wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I have yet to see a single shred of proof to support this claim. Ever. I was big on this AH argument back at launch, and all I saw were nonsensical assertions and straw man arguments as reasons not to have one.
Auction House choose any link you want.
I don't see anything in any of those links to give evidence that auction houses ruin economies. What I do see is a bunch of people that want to corner markets without competition arguing against having them. Letting supply and demand do what it does naturally is a good thing. Artificially inducing inflated prices by limiting market access is a bad thing.
There are now 142 Guild traders in Tamriel (126 from before + 16 new ones in Outlaw Refuges). I don't see how anyone can "corner the market" in that set up.
What's the point then, of segregating the markets? If "so many guild traders" are readily available, then just centralize it and call it a day.
Why keep asking the same bloody question? You've heard why centralising is a bad idea. It breaks the economy.
No. it. does. not.
You and a couple others claiming it does over and over doesn't make it true.People undercut one another until there's absolutely nothing left, crafters are unable to make their money back, regular players are unable to make decent gold and STILL the best items get jacked up in price - leaving an entire population with little gold and no way to afford to buy the best stuff.
That's called supply and demand, killer, simple economics. Artificially inflating prices due to limited access does not "make a good economy".
Edited by Drachenfier on March 19, 2015 4:29PM3
