This is really, really, really old. Just because someone is used to something from another game doesn't mean it has to be in this one. You have ten slots, you just have to swap weapons. This system has much less clutter and works well. If you want to change to another 2 bars of 5 slots, you can easily install Wykkyd's Outfitter to switch between your DSA/Trials bars, your questing PvE bars, and your PvP bars.

To be clear, I am not against people asking for such changes to the game, whether I like or agree with the suggestions or not. I can sympathize with having to go from one kind of system to another, and I appreciate why people ask for things like this. I just don't see it as necessary.

CMG138 wrote: »

I understand why ZoS only gave us 5 slots, they had to cater to console players, of course we can see how successful it's been on that field.

And not just consoles. Unless you're using specialist gaming/mmo hardware or have unnaturally long fingers you'll struggle to hit keys 6-0 in combat without compromising your movement. For me, the action control style is better served by the smaller bar setup, and the 10 button bar/multibar is best left to the tab-target style game where you can freely click away.

Maybe a 6 button bar could work, but that may be a stretch for many

In SWtOR I had what 30-40 quickslots that I needed daily and 15-20 used in every combat? That was most boring combat ever!
ESO has awesome combat that ain't your basic quickbar combat. Nothing worse than target enemy press 1,2,3,4 etc.

If anything I'd go more towards Elder Scrolls games meaning less abilities and more swings from different directions.
And the UI is awesome also. If you want it to be more like other mmorpgs then go play those games.

one more skill might be nice.

this would be amazing

I'd like to see 7 or 8 skills on each weapon swap. That, imo, would be perfect.

This would be a great asset to those who love their 2 bar skills (magelight, siphoning strikes, etc)

And you wouldn't have to drop one of your favorite abilities because you wanted a nice buff or heal on your bar like shuffle or repentance.

I've been saying this since day one, if not beta. But it's something I doubt they'll ever budge on.

But even worse: What if they pull a swtor move where you need to sub to get more ability slots? (don't get any bright ideas folks.)

The old 5 abilities on my bar discussion..... I have bitched about this since Dev's started doing it in other games a few years ago and, to me, it boils down to one simple thing. The desire to bring their game to as many micro transaction buying subscribers as possible means making it playable on the console. 6 hotbars of 12 skills each simply does not work for a console player.
And dead horse aside, lets just be honest. Not talking about liking or disliking, good or bad....but honestly.... no one out there believes that a 5 slot ability bar is as complicated, in depth or "clicky" as a game with multiple 12 slot bars.

You have to think about what skills you will need for this next fight, oh no? I hate having to use ctrl and shift to work 36 slots and then click on ones you couldn't get to fit into the keybinds, like when playing an inquisitor healer on swtor. I know a lot of people are too lazy to swap skills on the bars to use the best for a given situation, but they still manage to get by with 5 on each bar used for almost every fight.

You have 10 slots, you are just given the added bonus option to have two different weapon sets if you want that you can swap in combat instead of being stuck with one weapon set in a fight.

The only thing that could use some tweaking are skills that give a passive boost to resource pools for being in the slot work, for example let you keep the amount of health you have from the bonus but not be able to get back to that max when it goes down from damage until you swap back and have your max raised again. I don't like losing a bunch of health when I swap bars, for instance. The same goes for enchants on shields, which is especially annoying when both bars have shields with the same exact enchant (currently your health/stam/magicka drops during the swap and then immediately can start being regen/healed because the max goes back up to the buffed max that it has on both bars/sets but apparently went down as the bars changed and had to be re-calculated again). But that is only an issue if your pools are all full, and usually they aren't all quite full during a fight, so its not that big of a deal (probably especially true with any magicka/stamina you have a slot buff/enchant for since that's usually the pool you need more of because you use it often, so wait to swap until you've used a skill and that becomes moot).

You can't really exploit the slot buffs if they kept your pool over the max when swapping to a bar without them, since if you tried to quickly swap to the bar with it and back, you still had to wait for it to regen to the buffed max. So for instance its not overly helpful to have a bar just full of slot buffs to pools that you try to swap to and immediately swap back to a bar with active skills. Also, I'm not saying things that give benefits other than pool caps should apply while swapped to a bar without it.

It's also annoying for things to have to be toggled back on when you swap back to a bar, so things like mage light should automatically turn back on when you swap back to a bar with it if you both a) had it turned on and b) don't have it on both bars (since it already stays on). I'm okay with it being off while swapped to a bar without it, since that's the trade off you make if you slot something else and it seems pretty well balanced. I'm torn on whether or not the mage light should still float around you and just not be giving you any benefit until you switch back to the bar with it, or go away completely. It seems aesthetically displeasing and distracting to both you and others around you for it to be appearing and disappearing on you every time you swap bars if you swap them a lot.

They've done a lot of work to make swapping weapons a lot smoother and fast, so there is nothing much else to complain about.

So bored with the NA server down, I wrote a long reply on a topic not that interesting or really all that important to warrant so much effort. lol

yodased wrote: »

this would be amazing

Exactly the perfect example of where this suggestion/request leads. They do a lot of tweaks to balance skills every patch, so I'm good with them continuing to do that to make it balanced around having 5 skills on 2 bars. Everyone wishes they had every skill they have at some point, oh man it would be so nice to have bla right now... Which is why you think about putting that on your bar next time you do that fight and consider how it would impact it to not have one of the other skills you were using. People are lazy though and want to basically consider each bar a spec and swapping just using the off spec and never changing whats on the bars. If you are lazy, you can get addons to save bar configurations and load them up for you with one command. Should they have a way built in to the game to allow you to save a few different bar configurations you can quickly load in/out (loadouts might be a better way to put it) while out of combat? Sure. Just keep it five per bar at any one time.

I see both sides of this argument, but I hardly think it is a necessity at this point. I agree that an extra slot would probably be better, I was a bit disappointed that I had to use a toggle in place of an attack, however, in the bigger scheme of things, it does make sense and means a bigger variety of play styles.

If they tossed in an extra slot, I would be happy. If they dont, I still love the game.

Does this mean I have no opinion?

Combat is about choice now " what do I slot?"

That said, I wouldnt mind just ONE more slot:)

Khaldar wrote: »

While I don't always agree with ZOS and have played nearly every MMO in the western world, I will say I actually like the idea of 5 skills and 2 bars. I like that players are forced to think about their build. While it is not that great of a challenge, it does pose limitations and tough decisions. And it beats the 4+ years of playing WoW and having 50 keybinds. Less is more in my opinion.

I think what they're aiming for in a lot of their decisions that seem odd to people is that the player should be looking into the virtual world, and not at a bunch of icons. I think the idea is to make it easy for play to be instinctive and thought-free in that sense (not looking at cooldowns, not constantly checking the bars, but looking at the world, at the mobs, etc.).

And I applaud that design decision on the whole, and it does actually work that way for the most part, especially for a beginner; but the trouble is, as you get more experienced you can probably handle more. Plus also, the charm of the virtual world loses place, over time and in endgame, to the charm of excellence at doing complex things. It's then that the limitation can seem irksome, I think.

danovic wrote: »

Think the reason they did it because from the start this was designed for consoles not pc's so they designed it for game controllers. I'm hoping after the game console release they will come to there senses and add at least 1 more button I find i'm always 1 short of the perfect setup. After june 9th please add at least 1 more ability to the bar?

While people like to bash the game for being Console-dependent, what they wanted was a game that was more action oriented combat similar to TES games or your run of the mill hack and slash. Since Mouse 1 and 2 both function as game mechanics (slash and block), they didn't want multiple hotbars floating all over the place. Honestly they didn't go far enough, would have liked to have seen combos with a combination of Mouse 1 and 2 (depending if you had a shield or other offhand equipped).

Personally, I liked not having too many hotkeys to map or slots too fill. It's just not necessary given the nature of leveling in this game to begin with.

CMG138 wrote: »

An ability's passive only applies while you're using that current bar. If I have a toggle ability, then swap weapons after I activate it, it no longer has an effect. That's why it doesn't count.

If you cast a spell with a duration switch bars and it is still active then it doesn't matter if you have to switch bars. shrug.