Guard fights should be very hard, maybe even with some timer, if you don't kill fast enough additional guards spawns. Also guards would have faster respawn time.

Sharee wrote: »

Why wouldn't you go on a guard killing spree? If you can just kill them, then it does not matter what your bounty is, since there won't be anyone who could force you to pay it.

If every fight is boss fight and you don't know if you survive and if you survive guard will be back after moment you will not try to kill each guard you see. Okay you gonna form a big group and kill guards fast , but are you gonna be in that group forever? Do you think that there will be so many players who will be ready to get 10kk bounty and sneak in cities all the time for killing guards just for fun?

Fighting guards or running from them should be an option.

While I understand guards being unkillable, I think they could improve on the system. Allow players to "knock out" guards a single time in order to escape. It might take some effort, but once knocked out you have maybe 2 seconds to open a door to escape a building or put some distance between you and the guard. Once he wakes up, he summons 15 of his friends to continue pursuit. Use your 2 seconds wisely.

I also agree that we may see a more polished system once the pvp element is added. I won't care about the guards at all when actual players can hunt me down.

dan958 wrote: »

You are the hero of Tamriel, you are the only one who can face Molag 'Bal and the evil forces.

...Gets killed by a guard.

lmao.....so true, so true man! Well said! ^^

the only thing is, you should be able to exit a building if they arent going to allow you to at least try to kill your way out... If you are full of stolen loot, and have no recourse... then that is not right IMO. You cant go to the fence before you enter every place with guards to fence your items... That would be a time sink and unpractical.

Shunravi wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

They should make guards killable but killing guard should cost a lot. Huge bounty + reduced bounty decrease rate up to 90%, starting at 50% for 1st kill. If you get , lets say 10'000 bounty for 1 kill and it's decrease reduced to 50% you won't go on guard killing spree.

No, you would not care about your bounty because you could just kill the guards and not pay. Bounty would be pointless. What's 10,000,000+ bounty if you are never truly held accountable? Town lockout would be the worst of it, but even then, someone who would be a guard killer probably wouldn't care.

And guilds would have competitions to see who could survive the largest guard waves, for those who think increasing the number of guards after one is killed is a good way of doing it. If you think heal spamming was annoying, try every ability being spammed with a pile of bodies to boot. Think the old farming bots X100. It would not be just for giggles, there would be actual competitions around guard killing and dead cities.

As it is, if you are getting caught by guards, you are doing it wrong.

You're acting like no NPC can ever compare to a human player.

How many times do you see people solo resources in Cyrodiil using melee? Imagine those Cyrodiil NPCs came running at you on the streets of Daggerfall. Then throw on top of that the possibility to lose HUGE amounts of gold if you should ever fall in combat.

There would be absolutely no benefit to killing guards other than to allow players choice. Yet, you think players will go out of their way to spend all their game time doing it... to what end? Even if they did, is it such a huge problem to walk around a fight happening in town? Oh no some corpses are littering the streets, my game is ruined! Newsflash, that's already ingame.

badmojo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

They should make guards killable but killing guard should cost a lot. Huge bounty + reduced bounty decrease rate up to 90%, starting at 50% for 1st kill. If you get , lets say 10'000 bounty for 1 kill and it's decrease reduced to 50% you won't go on guard killing spree.

No, you would not care about your bounty because you could just kill the guards and not pay. Bounty would be pointless. What's 10,000,000+ bounty if you are never truly held accountable? Town lockout would be the worst of it, but even then, someone who would be a guard killer probably wouldn't care.

And guilds would have competitions to see who could survive the largest guard waves, for those who think increasing the number of guards after one is killed is a good way of doing it. If you think heal spamming was annoying, try every ability being spammed with a pile of bodies to boot. Think the old farming bots X100. It would not be just for giggles, there would be actual competitions around guard killing and dead cities.

As it is, if you are getting caught by guards, you are doing it wrong.

You're acting like no NPC can ever compare to a human player.

How many times do you see people solo resources in Cyrodiil using melee? Imagine those Cyrodiil NPCs came running at you on the streets of Daggerfall. Then throw on top of that the possibility to lose HUGE amounts of gold if you should ever fall in combat.

There would be absolutely no benefit to killing guards other than to allow players choice. Yet, you think players will go out of their way to spend all their game time doing it... to what end? Even if they did, is it such a huge problem to walk around a fight happening in town? Oh no some corpses are littering the streets, my game is ruined! Newsflash, that's already ingame.

Dude, I solo Cyrodiil resources with melee all the time. Its a great diversion tactic. Those guards, while strong, are not all that scary. The only one I find troublesome is the tower mage (so not 100% melee....) Those npcs running at me on the streets of Daggerfall would end up in a nice and tidy pile in a courtyard. Now if there was some other npc....

And to avoid loss of HUGE amounts of gold, you simply don't carry that much around. You do have a bank you know. I don't carry more than 2k when I'm doing the bad things. So in those rare cases when I am caught and unable to avoid the guards, I don't get to bad of a penalty. (<hint for anyone who keeps losing money. The hideouts have bankers....)

Players spend hours of game time doing things that have no ingame reward already. Ever heard of roleplay? Of course, what im saying is, maybe guilds will have attrition competitions to see how far they can go (before the inevitable server crash) and have a pot for rewards to the victor. Ive seen it before, no reason it couldn't happen here.

Now, you seem to be under the impression that I have an issue with dead npcs and fights everywhere. I don't. I actually like it because it feels like an even more active world. I'm simply using the immersion argument on my side of things. I already have the mass murderer achievement (though I did it in the low population vet zones as to not bother others.) People have been complaining about healspam since forever. Some have lauded the JS as a means to stem the spam. Killable guards would make the healspam inconsequential again. And that's what I was referencing.

And again, no one would care about the bounty if they were able to kill the guards. Unkillable guards with the high bounty I stated make it far more of an issue as they are more of a threat to having such a high sum.

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

And don't try to act like there aren't people you know personally that wouldn't do that if given the chance.

People are already wandering around killing everything they can kill. I was in Rivenspire (silver) last night and that wasn't exactly a haven of peace and tranquility.

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I thought for a moment that this thread was about unkillable guar ...

I actually thought it was another thread on Sheliza >_<

Maybe, like every other problem, the answer is with @Sypher. Killer of the unkillable.

badmojo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

They should make guards killable but killing guard should cost a lot. Huge bounty + reduced bounty decrease rate up to 90%, starting at 50% for 1st kill. If you get , lets say 10'000 bounty for 1 kill and it's decrease reduced to 50% you won't go on guard killing spree.

No, you would not care about your bounty because you could just kill the guards and not pay. Bounty would be pointless. What's 10,000,000+ bounty if you are never truly held accountable? Town lockout would be the worst of it, but even then, someone who would be a guard killer probably wouldn't care.

And guilds would have competitions to see who could survive the largest guard waves, for those who think increasing the number of guards after one is killed is a good way of doing it. If you think heal spamming was annoying, try every ability being spammed with a pile of bodies to boot. Think the old farming bots X100. It would not be just for giggles, there would be actual competitions around guard killing and dead cities.

As it is, if you are getting caught by guards, you are doing it wrong.

You're acting like no NPC can ever compare to a human player.

No NPC can compare to a human player. Players can't be forced to bug out and give up a search after a few seconds of you being invisible in the exact same room as them. Players don't run in to pathing issues with rocks. Players don't stop at the edge of the water.

NPC behavior can always be exploited, and a certain subset of players will always exploit that behavior in the name of "playing well". Until the PvP elements of this system are in place, it makes no sense to have killable guards.

dan958 wrote: »

You are the hero of Tamriel, you are the only one who can face Molag 'Bal and the evil forces.

...Gets killed by a guard.

Because of horrible design decision.

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I thought for a moment that this thread was about unkillable guar ...

I actually thought it was another thread on Sheliza >_<

Maybe, like every other problem, the answer is with @Sypher. Killer of the unkillable.

*Cough *points at his signature

Does make for a pretty crappy, incoherent storyline overall...

Why didn't they just send some town guards to take out Molag Bal in 30 seconds. Maybe our job could have been to approach a guard and whisper "I saw Molag Bal steal a melon from that basket over there"

Problem solved.

If you're fighting the guards... you're a terrible thief.