Not all MMOs are the same. I'm glad the game focuses on questing and exploration - I have always hated grinding. Grind for XP, grind for faction, grind for random loot, etc., etc. It's just work, not entertainment. It seems like everyone was complaining about too much grinding 15 years ago. Have things changed? Are mindless chores fun now?

I think time spent grinding should be less XP for the same amount of time spent questing. Still an option, but not as viable of an option.

Some of us actually listen to the entire spoken dialogue. It's great!

I did almost every single quest and cadwell's and only got to v6 so...your going to be grinding. Maybe if you did every single quest in the opposing alliances you might get vr8 but you still need 8-14 which isn't an easy task. So yes you will grind a bit. I really wish the partying system was a bit more conveinent to help us group in dungeons and delves. Making me the leader and letting me try and find people isn't a grouping utility... i could of done that on my own.

Nestor wrote: »

You also get degradation from earning Exp, not as much as getting hit though.

I'm not sure that's true anymore. It definitely used to be true, back when repair bills were way higher (and for certain people affected by a bug, way higher), but over the last few months since crafting writs were introduced I've got 1 character who has been doing a couple of writs almost every single day, and nothing else (aside from crafting some stuff for other characters). Granted, each writ doesn't give much XP, but all told she's earned almost a full level of XP just from them (she started at just barely level 30, and now she's close to level 31), and every time I send her to a merchant to sell something her repair bill is at 0.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Currently, I grind all my Characters, I will not waste quests (unless they are Dailies/repeatables) when the game is not ver 1.6.. when the game goes to 1.6 and I can get CP (Champion Points) then I will do quests.. but not until then..

Hold up.......I did a bunch of quests already.... What does it mean "waste quests"? Am I disadvantaged now when it comes to the Champion Point System???

UrQuan wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You also get degradation from earning Exp, not as much as getting hit though.

I'm not sure that's true anymore. It definitely used to be true, back when repair bills were way higher

I meant exp from Mob Kills.

CodexMMO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Currently, I grind all my Characters, I will not waste quests (unless they are Dailies/repeatables) when the game is not ver 1.6.. when the game goes to 1.6 and I can get CP (Champion Points) then I will do quests.. but not until then..

Hold up.......I did a bunch of quests already.... What does it mean "waste quests"? Am I disadvantaged now when it comes to the Champion Point System???

Yup, when you do quests (this includes cadwell's silver and gold) that are non repeatable, you will not be able to go back and do them again when 1.6 drops, meaning, all the XP you get from quests now will not count toward Champion points, that is why I made my ALT Duplicate, and retired my old Kotaro (he is available I just use him for crafting and such, gathering from time to time) because he did almost all of the quests the game has to offer and will only really be able to do repeatable quests and grind to get Champion Points..

I will not do quests on any character until 1.6 and the Champion System is on the live servers..

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

CodexMMO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Currently, I grind all my Characters, I will not waste quests (unless they are Dailies/repeatables) when the game is not ver 1.6.. when the game goes to 1.6 and I can get CP (Champion Points) then I will do quests.. but not until then..

Hold up.......I did a bunch of quests already.... What does it mean "waste quests"? Am I disadvantaged now when it comes to the Champion Point System???

Yup, when you do quests (this includes cadwell's silver and gold) that are non repeatable, you will not be able to go back and do them again when 1.6 drops, meaning, all the XP you get from quests now will not count toward Champion points, that is why I made my ALT Duplicate, and retired my old Kotaro (he is available I just use him for crafting and such, gathering from time to time) because he did almost all of the quests the game has to offer and will only really be able to do repeatable quests and grind to get Champion Points..

I will not do quests on any character until 1.6 and the Champion System is on the live servers..

That's not quite right. Yes, you will not be able to repeat quests, but the XP that you gain now will be converted to CP. Now we don't know the exact rate of XP to CP conversion when 1.6 finally goes live, but you probably won't lose much (if any) on the conversion.

Besides, if you want to carry on playing the game what are you going to do? If you don't want to PvP then there's only grinding left - you end up grinding now and saving quests when you could have been questing leaving the grinding until later...

The only time when NOT completing quests makes sense is if you are already VR14 with the XP that would take you to VR15 (if it existed). In this particular case XP gained from quests is wasted (not converted to CP) and will be lost to you when the Champion System arrives.

A person with a VR14 on their acct will only get 70 CP Max, so what is this XP being converted..and Yes ZOS already told us the Conversion rate,

it is right here- http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/145544/feedback-to-the-champion-system/p1

This is a FACT= Those that have more quests available when 1.6 drops will be able to quest (cadwell's Silver and Gold, amongst the thousand other quests) and get more CP (champion points) than those that do not have them, those that do not have quests to do will have to do dailies, PvP, and grind for CP.

PS- I am a player who already has two VR14's and my original main character, made it way past VR15 in XP (more like VR17 +), so I will not get anymore than 70 CP until 1.6 goes live..

CodexMMO wrote: »

I wasn't saying I want to grind, I was just wondering why people say, "you don't grind in ESO." It makes sense to me now why people say that if the mob spawn farming areas were eliminated, or reduced.

This game really seems to hide a lot of information from those of use who do like to grind:

1. I don't know how much damage I am doing, how much damage I receive, and from what mob.
2. I don't really know how much EXP am I getting from each mob.
3. I don't understand the amount of decay my equipment takes from use just from fighting (without dying) either.
4. It is somewhat cumbersome to collect the loot while 'grinding' too.

1) Not sure how damage numbers relate to grinding

2) Check XP, kill a mob, check XP .. voila, you know how much you got. Given 'grinding' is usually simply killing the same types of mob over-and-over-and-over again and it's reasonable to expect each individual mob of the same type will give you the same XP, what's left to know?

3) As for damage numbers, I don't see what gear decay has to do with grinding

4) In which MMO isn't this an issue? Certainly ZOs' introduction of 0-value white gear no one in their right mind would ever use was a pain but if you're grinding mobs for XP you can simply not loot corpses, that's what I do on the rare occasion I feel like grinding; unless of course one's grinding crafting mats.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

"mindless click fest of dialogue trees" ?

Wot? As against "mindless clickfest of grinding"?

The people who want grinds just want to get into competitive end game content more quickly. They've either done the quests once and don't want to do them again, or find that storylines written to the depth of a graphic novel are not that engaging. The grinds aren't particularly fun, they're simply more exciting and\or quicker than running to random locations and pressing the 'E' key.

The fact that ZOS is looking at making all forms of advancement take an equivalent amount of time is a mistake. If it takes just as long to grind a character up as it does to quest (almost 400 hours of game time to get to VR14), they will lose players. At that rate, it will take most players 6 months to a year to get to VR14 in order to be able to play the content they want. Very few people are going to waste 6 months to a year of their time doing things they don't like just to get to the part in a game they do like.

People who want to quest are welcome to quest. Enjoy the story, no one wants to take that away from you. It's something leisurely to do, and there's nothing wrong with that. But questing is not a competitive experience, it's barely challenging. By disallowing players to get to the content they want, ZOS is simply proving that they don't have a competitive product. They're basically marketing a choose your own adventure story, and one that is far inferior to the single player games in the franchise.

To the original point of the thread - The reason against the grinding is because of the vocal subset of the community that believes the only way to have fun in this game is to read every branch of every dialogue tree. They have no interest in the competitive aspects of this game, and decry as elitist those who do. As such, they are driving competitive players away by forcing those competitive players into content the competitive players do not like. Effectively, ZOS has no interest in making a fun game, they want to target the players who aren't looking for a challenge.

Grinding is just a means to an end, the challenging content. No one really enjoys it, it's simply been quicker than the insane amount of time it takes to get your character ready for the competitive aspects of the game. If ZOS wants to prevent players from engaging in content that's actually challenging, that's their design decision, but the only people who will be left to "play" the game are the RPers who use this as a virtual chat room (I'm not criticizing), and the leisure gaming crowd with no interest in challenges. The RPers would be better served by something like "Zwinky" skinned for adults, and the leisure gaming crowd will be better served by a single player sandbox game. Remove the competitive aspect of an MMO by placing an absurd barrier of entry to the competitive content, and you've basically ruined the MMO.

What grind, i've new toon at level 16 with 720 cp, the only grind for him is getting him to level 50 and then he becomes a maxed out toon. Remember CP is account wide.

JungleBoot wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Grinding does not even get you any kind of achievement in this game...

Loot grind :
In PVP you don't get any sets, hopefully skills ? (lol)) and in PVE you get what? new sets that look like nothing but Elder Scrolls...

CP grind :
Now you can grind quest and mobs for more champion points to do... ehhh.. nothing ? (grind those sets that are not worth grinding eeehhh(?)).

To sum it up : grind needs to have a purpose strong enough. And ESO doesn't have it at the moment.

Bad ju ju. I resurrected a thread. However, I wan interested in a google search for "ESO is nothing but grinding". This floated to the surface. I quoted a response that I feel hasn't changed since the introduction of CP points. I have done it both ways. I have quested through the faction zones and I have grinded my way to level 50. But, I strongly feel this game lacks direction. Hell, the beginning has actually become more confusing since the introduction of Morrowind. Go anywhere and do anything is great. But, why the hell am I actually doing anything? Cure Vivec? Regain my soul? Save the Faction because it can't save itself? On top of that, grinding is effin' everywhere: Dolmen Grind, Delve Grind, Undaunted Grind, CP Grind, Raw Material Grind, Loot Grind, Motif Grind, and even Style Material Grind. That's not even a complete list. Oh, yeah, the gold grind. I forgot to mention that.

At some point, gamers are going to have to get over their infatuation with grinding. It is an ancient gaming mechanic that has lived out it's day. RNG crusaders need to go home and allow others to enjoy games and their rewards without having to donate a significant portion of their life just to obtain or achieve something. It's ridiculous.

I shouldn't comment on a resurrected thread, but without grind, MMOs are nothing. Think it through. If grinding isn't your thing MMOs are not for you plain and simple.

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Lol makes it sound like we need quarantining in non-immersion zones. Stay behind the fenced area's grinders, dont want your infectious mob farming ways reaching the eyes of the innocent unexposed masses! eek.

Well, there are actually daily quests that are a nightmare to finish if you have a 'grinder' running circles in those particular delves (looking at you Parts of the Whole and Free Spirits) and killing everything left and right. I do know that they never got to have the quest so they don't know what they are doing 'wrong', but boy does it suck. It's a problem that ZOS doesn't see and I blame them for it. There should be spots that are meant for grinding and give some rewards that are unique.