Grinding - why not?

Linaleah

Aerius_Sygale wrote: »

Kind of silly how irked people get over others grinding... It seems the most simple, EASY way to get XP or Gold. Maybe not most effective, but easiest, and pretty damn good when you can find yourself alone or bring just one group member with you, to a really good grind spot. Quick kills, lots of Vendor trash to sell for some quick Gold turnaround.

don't care as long as your grinding doesn't happen to be on the same mobs that I need to, you know, complete my questing.

DieAlteHexe

Juju_beans wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I did something similar a long time ago (before I took my break) but with dolmen. Oddly (hah) I was less than excited about the game so when a glitch occurred where I couldn't get the game to log in any longer (after a patch) and TS/CS couldn't help, I took a break which really didn't bother me much at the time.

Fast forward to my return: Had a level 50 character and no barking clue how to play her. I mean after all, with most dolmen all you need do is dd everything that moves and/or run around spamming heals.

So, had to start anew and work my way through all the game has to offer and boy, was it a vast improvement over "must get to highest level a.s.a.p.). I'm not sure why I tried that to begin with as I am usually a "journey" sort. Having done that a couple of times, I was able to fix the original character.

All that said, whatever floats your boat but missing out on some important stuff (skill points for one) does really need to be given consideration.

Funny you mentioned that. I was in a delve the other day and there was another player a bit in front of me.
All they did was spam acid spray at the mobs and then light shots (prob ran out of stamina). No melee whatsoever.
They were CP 300+. I followed them for a while and then veered down a different path to do my own thing.

Is this what you get when you level up via dolmens ?

Well, I tried harder. It was a good way to level up various skills, skill lines (fighter's guild in particular), armor etc. But mainly I did dd and mutagen. Got some decent equipment, some cash etc. And a few achivements. I rarely play classes that do much melee so that doesn't pertain. But basically; good book, wait for spawn, blow stuff up, toss heals, repeat, repeat, repeat. Looking back...not sure what I was thinking as I usually dislike anything "grindy".

I got over doing it.

Aurielle

I'm only opposed to grinding because I regularly have to deal with the consequences of people who powerlevelled to cap through Skyreach and have no idea how to function in veteran dungeons. I don't care so much about grinding here and there once you know what you're doing.

GimpyPorcupine

I have leveled 14 characters to 50 without grinding, so please indulge me while I share my perspective.

The story-line quests are very high XP compared to all the side quests, and after playing through a couple of characters, it's very easy to know which are which, and also know which side quests can be accomplished concurrently with the story quests. One Tamriel made this even easier because it opened up the Newbie zones to the other alliances.

I'm on Xbox, and on 2/27 when Dragonbones drops I'll purchase an extra character slot. I'll create the character, run through the MW tutorial, then buy his capacity up to 140, port to Evermore, and run the stealing loop behind the Alchemist's Shop. I'll log into him daily to steal until I get Legerdemain to 20, and log in daily to deconstruct, research, and buy riding upgrades.

When the next double-XP event rolls around, I'll play him through the newbie zones for all alliances, then run through the DC story line quests. I'll hit L50 somewhere in Rivenspire. Along the way I will have gotten all the skyshards and lorebooks in the zones I visited, plus the skill points from the quests and public dungeons.

I do it this way because I feel that if I just grind to level, I'm still going to have to go through the zones to get the points and books, so why not combine it all together. Plus, it's actually pretty quick since they adjusted the XP.

Aerius_Sygale

Linaleah wrote: »

Aerius_Sygale wrote: »

Kind of silly how irked people get over others grinding... It seems the most simple, EASY way to get XP or Gold. Maybe not most effective, but easiest, and pretty damn good when you can find yourself alone or bring just one group member with you, to a really good grind spot. Quick kills, lots of Vendor trash to sell for some quick Gold turnaround.

don't care as long as your grinding doesn't happen to be on the same mobs that I need to, you know, complete my questing.

Well, where I mostly grind now, I know for a fact, the part of a quest there doesn't require killing any of the regular enemies, just eventually a Boss one past the area I occupy, safely.

I like the spot just partly because, technically, it is a "Dungeon" of sorts, so my main's Minor Slayer is triggered within at all times (from Vicious Serpent set, other 5-piece set is Dreugh King Slayer)~ So, +5% damage output for me there...

EvilAutoTech

I just started a new toon on Xbox EU because I won't have any slots available until Dragon Bones hits and I needed to test some Khajiit character creation.

The only questing I have done since the tutorial is the Cyrodiil starter quest. I have all the towns, wayshrines, POIs and skyshards from Bleakrock, Bal Foyen, Stros M'Kai, Betnikh and Khenarthi's Roost. I have done 1 dolmen in Glenumbra and all 3 in Auridon. I'm level 12. Maybe 5 hours of play time. No CP, no gear, no gold. I do have eso plus so I do have the craft bag and have stolen enough to buy the first 2 pack upgrades.

Leveling a toon from scratch seems far easier now than it was at console launch. Can't wait to see the leveling advisor.

zaria

Juju_beans wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I did something similar a long time ago (before I took my break) but with dolmen. Oddly (hah) I was less than excited about the game so when a glitch occurred where I couldn't get the game to log in any longer (after a patch) and TS/CS couldn't help, I took a break which really didn't bother me much at the time.

Fast forward to my return: Had a level 50 character and no barking clue how to play her. I mean after all, with most dolmen all you need do is dd everything that moves and/or run around spamming heals.

So, had to start anew and work my way through all the game has to offer and boy, was it a vast improvement over "must get to highest level a.s.a.p.). I'm not sure why I tried that to begin with as I am usually a "journey" sort. Having done that a couple of times, I was able to fix the original character.

All that said, whatever floats your boat but missing out on some important stuff (skill points for one) does really need to be given consideration.

Funny you mentioned that. I was in a delve the other day and there was another player a bit in front of me.
All they did was spam acid spray at the mobs and then light shots (prob ran out of stamina). No melee whatsoever.
They were CP 300+. I followed them for a while and then veered down a different path to do my own thing.

Is this what you get when you level up via dolmens ?

Seen the same, call it the Light attack brigade, seen some pretty weird stuff.
Public dungeons interesting show better quality, yes you can not do them LA only, you need AoE
On the other hand the cp720 LA only can have quested all the way to, he used a over an year and had an good gaming experience No id did not prepare him for even normal dungeons.
Not that normal dungeons teach him anything.
Your typical normal dungeon group is one cp 500 sorcerer with inner fire and shields as tank, for the 100K xp an cp720 warden healer in spc needing quest and an level 25 but 720 cp stamblade with purple gear, vigor and caltrops.
Yes, this one has done pretty much all of it. and the three others could 3 man any normal dungeon.
How much did you learn?

Sevn

Grinding is boring
questing is boring

Take your pick, but regardless of which you prefer someone else is going to feel differently. Neither are "right or wrong", it's just comes down to preference.

Sevn

Jpublic dungeons _beans wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I did something similar a long time ago (before I took my break) but with dolmen. Oddly (hah) I was less than excited about the game so when a glitch occurred where I couldn't get the game to log in any longer (after a patch) and TS/CS couldn't help, I took a break which really didn't bother me much at the time.

Fast forward to my return: Had a level 50 character and no barking clue how to play her. I mean after all, with most dolmen all you need do is dd everything that moves and/or run around spamming heals.

So, had to start anew and work my way through all the game has to offer and boy, was it a vast improvement over "must get to highest level a.s.a.p.). I'm not sure why I tried that to begin with as I am usually a "journey" sort. Having done that a couple of times, I was able to fix the original character.

All that said, whatever floats your boat but missing out on some important stuff (skill points for one) does really need to be given consideration.

Funny you mentioned that. I was in a delve the other day and there was another player a bit in front of me.
All they did was spam acid spray at the mobs and then light shots (prob ran out of stamina). No melee whatsoever.
They were CP 300+. I followed them for a while and then veered down a different path to do my own thing.

Is this what you get when you level up via dolmens ?

@300cp all you need is light attacks in delves as the content is super easy. Why would I bother with a full raid rorotation to deal with trash at high cp? Hell most dolmens have multiple players around so again why would I do anything more that is necessary?

Even in public dungeons I'll only lay down a single aoe and just LA. I guess I just don't understand why you would judge another players "skill" from how they handle easy peasy content. Unless of course you find that content challenging than I can see why.

Juju_beans

Sevn wrote: »

Jpublic dungeons _beans wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I did something similar a long time ago (before I took my break) but with dolmen. Oddly (hah) I was less than excited about the game so when a glitch occurred where I couldn't get the game to log in any longer (after a patch) and TS/CS couldn't help, I took a break which really didn't bother me much at the time.

Fast forward to my return: Had a level 50 character and no barking clue how to play her. I mean after all, with most dolmen all you need do is dd everything that moves and/or run around spamming heals.

So, had to start anew and work my way through all the game has to offer and boy, was it a vast improvement over "must get to highest level a.s.a.p.). I'm not sure why I tried that to begin with as I am usually a "journey" sort. Having done that a couple of times, I was able to fix the original character.

All that said, whatever floats your boat but missing out on some important stuff (skill points for one) does really need to be given consideration.

Funny you mentioned that. I was in a delve the other day and there was another player a bit in front of me.
All they did was spam acid spray at the mobs and then light shots (prob ran out of stamina). No melee whatsoever.
They were CP 300+. I followed them for a while and then veered down a different path to do my own thing.

Is this what you get when you level up via dolmens ?

@300cp all you need is light attacks in delves as the content is super easy. Why would I bother with a full raid rorotation to deal with trash at high cp? Hell most dolmens have multiple players around so again why would I do anything more that is necessary?

Even in public dungeons I'll only lay down a single aoe and just LA. I guess I just don't understand why you would judge another players "skill" from how they handle easy peasy content. Unless of course you find that content challenging than I can see why.

They had about 25% health left after the 2 mobs were dead. Acid spray spam then light attack and kept backing up as the mobs approached them.

To me..easy peasy is training a few and get a group of mobs together and then aoe them down.

I've seen the skilled players doing this in dolmens and public dungeons. I don't think the player I mentioned was doing it easy peasy.

What I saw is typically what you see players doing at dolmens.

Sevn

Juju_beans wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Jpublic dungeons _beans wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I did something similar a long time ago (before I took my break) but with dolmen. Oddly (hah) I was less than excited about the game so when a glitch occurred where I couldn't get the game to log in any longer (after a patch) and TS/CS couldn't help, I took a break which really didn't bother me much at the time.

Fast forward to my return: Had a level 50 character and no barking clue how to play her. I mean after all, with most dolmen all you need do is dd everything that moves and/or run around spamming heals.

So, had to start anew and work my way through all the game has to offer and boy, was it a vast improvement over "must get to highest level a.s.a.p.). I'm not sure why I tried that to begin with as I am usually a "journey" sort. Having done that a couple of times, I was able to fix the original character.

All that said, whatever floats your boat but missing out on some important stuff (skill points for one) does really need to be given consideration.

Funny you mentioned that. I was in a delve the other day and there was another player a bit in front of me.
All they did was spam acid spray at the mobs and then light shots (prob ran out of stamina). No melee whatsoever.
They were CP 300+. I followed them for a while and then veered down a different path to do my own thing.

Is this what you get when you level up via dolmens ?

@300cp all you need is light attacks in delves as the content is super easy. Why would I bother with a full raid rorotation to deal with trash at high cp? Hell most dolmens have multiple players around so again why would I do anything more that is necessary?

Even in public dungeons I'll only lay down a single aoe and just LA. I guess I just don't understand why you would judge another players "skill" from how they handle easy peasy content. Unless of course you find that content challenging than I can see why.

They had about 25% health left after the 2 mobs were dead. Acid spray spam then light attack and kept backing up as the mobs approached them.

To me..easy peasy is training a few and get a group of mobs together and then aoe them down.

I've seen the skilled players doing this in dolmens and public dungeons. I don't think the player I mentioned was doing it easy peasy.

What I saw is typically what you see players doing at dolmens.

Ah, I see! Damn it you should've given all the details about what you witnessed! Had I known they were actually struggling with delves leaving 25% health I'd have been in complete agreement with you!