ESO Hides My Cleavage??

ElfFromSpace · February 2015

What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:

PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.

EDIT: Adding a few comments from further down.
Please make new motifs to add the new versions. We want more choices, not fewer choices.
Players who invested and created armor with the current style did so because they like the current style and we feel this change is robbing us of that.
You can improve the textures without destroying the gear. The redguard light and medium more than anything were far more interesting, less generic, boring and ugly before this change.
Women and men both (I am a woman in case anyone assumes that only men like seeing some female flesh) enjoy having fantasy characters with interesting and diverse costumes. Many of us feel that in a fantasy game, we shouldn't be constrained by what's "practical" armor. I'm not asking for pasties or a chain mail bikini, but let's keep the diversity in options!

ZENIMAX! NOBODY LIKES THE CHANGES TO THE REDGUARD LIGHT AND MEDIUM ARMOR! AND I MEAN NOBODY! PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY YOUR SALARY!

Grao · February 2015

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:

PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.

Cover those boobs woman! Is that proper way of dressing? Tsk!

Just kidding. Seriously, the textures of the new model maybe smoother, but the model it self lost all sex appeal. Even teens deserve more then that >.>

prototypefb · February 2015

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

What happened, did someone decide that ESO can't have any armor that looks even remotely good? This was truly a horrible shock to me logging into the PTS and seeing this change:

PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY DRESS!!!! And, no, I'm not wearing a wedding dress. I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily. Please don't vandalize one of the few cool low level options.

sexy outfits showing more skin will be available on crown store, confirmed by Jason Leavey, he was handpicking outfits for victoria secret models to demonstrate for scans to be implemented in game soon.

Brother_Numsie · February 2015

So is all the new armor reskins covering everything up, cause damn, what's the point in choosing the body art options in character creation then?

Cinbri · February 2015

I agree that new dress is worse coz in hiding chest tattoos. Why chest tattoos than if it won't be visible...

phreatophile · February 2015

I'm with you. If it ain't broke don't fix it. They did one better and destroyed something beautiful. Are you guys coming to cover up my bosmer, too?

ElfFromSpace · February 2015

Smoother is not necessarily better. I find some of the clothing that appears to be stained a bit less than appealing, but the cloth texture is there for better realism.

As for crown store outfits, I'm not saying I'm not willing to drop some $ to customize, but they shouldn't be destroying the options people currently have for free just to make us buy the things from the store ;(

Alphashado · February 2015

This chick sent Paul Sage an email:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGh0EMmMC8

driosketch · February 2015

Did you honestly think showing that much skin on the shoulders was appropriate? No, they had to add sleeves, and that meant redesigning the shirt so it wouldn't look stupid. /s

Edit, added the /s because not sure people will get the joke.

Alphashado · February 2015

driosketch wrote: »

Did you honestly think showing that much skin on the shoulders was appropriate? No, they had to add sleeves, and that meant redesigning the shirt so it wouldn't look stupid.

This game has a Mature rating. I've never understood why people get upset about looking sexy in a fantasy game with a mature rating.

Ever been to a Renaissance Festival? I can assure you that there is nobody standing at the gate saying "Sorry ma'am, can't let you in unless you cover that cleavage".

ElfFromSpace · February 2015

Appropriate? Who whose standards?? This is a redguard outfit from a climate that is hot. I hardly think one would actually wear something that bulky and restrictive as the new outfit shown. Even when people in desert areas add loose fitting clothes to protect their skin from the sun, it's not like that crazy clunky shoulder/neck piece.

If anyone didn't like the design they could simply chose another racial style for their clothes, but I haven't seen ANYONE who actually likes the new design. The lower half is actually ok, but the upper half.. Makes me feel uncomfortable just thinking about wearing it.

Why give player tattoo options if we can't find any clothing options that show them?

SoulScream · February 2015

I picked that racial style for my ladies dress and really am not happy to see it changed. I even took it to gold level quality. I think the new armor looks are fine but I do not want my things replaced. Use them for a something else I say.

Rosveen · February 2015

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

I love this dress, I get compliments on it nearly daily.

You do? Damn. The only comment I ever got is that I look like a farmer (I was wearing the servant robes from Stros M'Kai

) I'm beginning to suspect my feminine charms might be broken special.

driosketch · February 2015

In all seriousness, I am not a fan of this change either. I was using it for costume on two characters. In particular I was using the Seadrake costume on my Khajiit fighter because it showed off the arms nicely. On the PTS, the top of the disguise now doesn't even match the rest. And honestly, Redguard light was not even as revealing as Argonian or Wood Elf.

On top of that, even though the texture of the Redguard heavy are very nice, the belt peice is still misaligned.

SoulScream · February 2015

Here is my before

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SoulScream · February 2015

Here is my after

Moderator note: Edited code to display picture properly, as it was improperly adjusted during the overhaul.

SoulScream · February 2015

^ a massive disappointment!

ElfFromSpace · February 2015

Awww that's just awful! I'm so sorry. Yours was so cute before!

Tamanous · February 2015

ZOS must be unaware that women who play mmos often dress their toons like they dress up on Halloween ... sleazy as they can get away with.

For a mature rated game I am shocked ZOS is hurting the massive segment of female players who view character customization as a primary draw to games.

I am serious saying this. I personally do not understand dressing like a stripper while engaged in heavy combat but TONS of rl woman I have played mmos with sure as heck do.

Theegoliath · February 2015

I was not happy when they changed the orc heavy either. It was the only heavy armor that showed skin. ZOS please give us some skin back. This is a Mature rated game after all.

angelyn · February 2015

Damn! I crafted Orc heavy armor specifically to wear to certain events. Yes- my character likes to wear that kind of stuff..now there is none of that kind of stuff in the game. @ZOS, cleavage is not offensive it's a part of being human and women and many men are fans of cleavage.

My apologies Daggerfall. The next time you see me dancing at a celebratory event..I will be wearing...nothing at all!-because everything else covers up too much

Grunim · February 2015

Tamanous wrote: »

ZOS must be unaware that women who play mmos often dress their toons like they dress up on Halloween ... sleazy as they can get away with.

For a mature rated game I am shocked ZOS is hurting the massive segment of female players who view character customization as a primary draw to games.

I am serious saying this. I personally do not understand dressing like a stripper while engaged in heavy combat but TONS of rl woman I have played mmos with sure as heck do.

Well I'll counter your post by saying women who play MMOs often dress their characters up to not look sleazy. I have walked away from MMOs where I did not have a choice to play a female who didn't look over sexualized.

For me, the best solution is to offer players choice. Some people want their male and female characters to look sexy, others prefer a more covered look.

newtinmpls · February 2015

I am sad to see the change. The newer armors seem to be more similar to each other; more generic. I saved a number of the costumes over time, because they were attractive. I used the seadrake disguise to show off my orcs massive arms.

Why the change? It just looks ... worse.

Having the 'old' options in the crown store would of course provide an answer. Not a nice one, but an answer.

Samadhi · February 2015

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

Appropriate? Who whose standards?? This is a redguard outfit from a climate that is hot. I hardly think one would actually wear something that bulky and restrictive as the new outfit shown. Even when people in desert areas add loose fitting clothes to protect their skin from the sun, it's not like that crazy clunky shoulder/neck piece.
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There are tensions between the two different groups of the Redguards, the Crowns and the Forebears.
Do either of them have particular views regarding the coverage of females?

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

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Why give player tattoo options if we can't find any clothing options that show them?

On a more serious note, this is my concern as well.
My girlfriend is not pleased to see this change either.

Rosveen · February 2015

angelyn wrote: »

My apologies Daggerfall. The next time you see me dancing at a celebratory event..I will be wearing...nothing at all!-because everything else covers up too much

It's days like this when I'm glad I created a male character in DC. Prepare to see my manly chest at those celebrations.

ZOS can't cover it up!

Vyle_Byte · February 2015

I agree!!! And same with Orc heavy top, why on earth would you want to cover it all up?!!!

Hot.
The new... not so hot. So bummed.

Siluen · February 2015

I have to agree with the OP, the original robe was sexy and interesting with a design that sets it apart from other racial styles. The new one on the other hand is extremely generic, the quality of the textures is nice, but the shapes and the design is just meh.

And it's not like that bit of extra cloth is going to stop any arrows.

Ramtaku · February 2015

Do not underestimate MMO fashionistas ZOS!

gradius_ESO · February 2015

We tried to tell them that a majority of us don't like the new style changes to the Redguard light armor or the Heavy armor legs ,but they decided to put up an article instead trying to convince us these changes were good.

Beating this dead horse has produced nothing but pulp.=(

ElfFromSpace · February 2015

UGG I hadn't even seen what they did to the heavy armor set yet, since I've not got around to trying to tank on the PTS (I am not good at tanking)

In all seriousness I don't actually think the original outfits are "sleezy" they are interesting and bare less skin than most fantasy women's costumes. Plus there are loads of options for people who don't want to show skin. Only the Redguard, Bosmer, Argonian and Orc really even show skin.

bellanca6561n · February 2015

This is one of several threads on this theme. It always comes down to:

1. It's armor....etc. etc. etc. Uh, no, it's clothing.

My main walks around town dressed like this:

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And thanks to Wyyknd's Outfitter can quickly go into battle dressed like this:

2. We don't want ESO to become like THIS [insert an elf from Terra Online] or another Asian MMO.....

3. It's solving a technical issue, usually followed by some tech sounding gibberish about bitmaps that's total nonsense.

The strange reflective properties of dyed cloth and leather, not to mention the issues with dyes changing color depending on what armor style you're dying, are not due to the damned bitmaps.

And even if they were, why change the style? What, was it due to all those (non existent) forum threads begging for new Redguard and Orc armor? Nobody asked for this. They just....made it.

Live teams in online games are supposed to address actual customer issues first. There are other serious art issues regarding clothing and armor that should take priority.