@ZOS - Please make crafting research account wide

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

In patch 1.6 the mounts and pets...even the best horse skills will become account wide.

Crafting Mats, banks, crowns, guilds, gold and CP are account wide.

Why is research not?

Some may ask that motifs and crafting skills also apply but while I gather the importance of leveling a profession by character, the research should be account wide. I'm ok with all but then it will confuse why leveling armor or weapons based on character.

The CP are hard to gain as well as research in my opinion.

Please seriously consider this

newtinmpls · February 2015

Seriously? People don't see the difference betwen sharing a bank and sharing actual skills?

This is the laziest change I've ever seen suggested. I'm going to guess it comes from the "I want to grind my character to veteran level in 15 min" crowd.

Maybe they will put it in pay for play

SoulScream · February 2015

I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.

SteveCampsOut · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously? People don't see the difference betwen sharing a bank and sharing actual skills?

This is the laziest change I've ever seen suggested. I'm going to guess it comes from the "I want to grind my character to veteran level in 15 min" crowd.

Maybe they will put it in pay for play

It just never stops! I'm wondering why these people even play MMO's at this point!

newtinmpls · February 2015

I actually kind of like the fact that my Dunmer Sorcerer studies blacksmithing, but only daggers, because that's what she uses.

And so on...

Ganacampo · February 2015

Please don't do this ZOS.

What's the point in even having different characters then?

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously? People don't see the difference betwen sharing a bank and sharing actual skills?

This is the laziest change I've ever seen suggested. I'm going to guess it comes from the "I want to grind my character to veteran level in 15 min" crowd.

Maybe they will put it in pay for play

Following your point of view...are you in opposition to the mount changes?

Reverb · February 2015

I dislike this idea. Like a lot of people at this point, I have one primary crafter and multiple alts that are specialists in one or two things. This means alot of switching back and forth, which I'm ok with.

From both a character and a gameplay perspective, it doesn't make sense for a new character to be able to make any type of 9-trait equipment.

Also, keeping them separate allows you to halve the clothing research process by having one toon focus on light and another medium.

Psychobunni · February 2015

I would prefer an account wide crafting system, and being that they seem to want to limit players ability to obtain premium crafting items through the hirelings that you have to put the time/effort into unlocking to even get to....an account based system would limit hirelings to one per type. Two birds/one stone.

My own reasoning for this preference is because in choosing crafting or skills, I spread my crafting out across multiple toons and when making a full set of weapons/gear/enchants...it takes about an hour of logging mutliples, getting to crafting stations and back to bank, etc, etc.........and having it account based wouldn't actually effect game play, like say shared skillpoints would. (I've seen that asked for here)

Elsonso · February 2015

Please do not do this, ZOS.

Those of us who like Alternate characters that follow independent paths and goals do not need fewer things that make the characters unique.

Gidorick · February 2015

I like having one character good in one craft and another good in a different one.

Of course I liked having one character that had a fast horse and one that had a steady horse so... whatever.

Psychobunni · February 2015

Ganacampo wrote: »

Please don't do this ZOS.

What's the point in even having different characters then?

To play multiple class, weapon, builds.

Tavore1138 · February 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously? People don't see the difference betwen sharing a bank and sharing actual skills?

This is the laziest change I've ever seen suggested. I'm going to guess it comes from the "I want to grind my character to veteran level in 15 min" crowd.

Maybe they will put it in pay for play

Following your point of view...are you in opposition to the mount changes?

I think you will be a sad player when you get what the mount changes actually are.

You will have access to all mounts across account BUT each character will have to learn their own horse skills to increase speed, carry & stamina.

I suspect you will then launch a new thread about how horse skills should be account wide.

Theosis · February 2015

as long as you can only research only a few things at a time I would see this as acceptable

I agree that I wont research on another char either.

Vunter · February 2015

I love waiting time! It's such a hard challenge in the game! Don't nerf this!
I want to keep doing it with all my alts! I'm so pro.

That said, I have 1 crafter that does everything so...

newtinmpls · February 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

I would prefer an account wide crafting system, and being that they seem to want to limit players ability to obtain premium crafting items through the hirelings that you have to put the time/effort into unlocking to even get to

I get more crafting items from deconstrucing than I ever do from the hirelings. After so many deconstructions of green weapons over time I'm usually awash in honing stones. I don't try to improve unless I can get 100% chance. But I do love the letters from the hirelings, and what with having most of my characters have most of the hirelings, I do occasionally get swamped with supplies.

Between specialty armor, the fact that it's better than found armor, and the fact that I tend to improve every peice, I usually only bother to redo a set about every four levels or so. That allows for a lovely adrenaline rush when charging into battle with a 'new' 'super' set.

Psychobunni wrote: »

My own reasoning for this preference is because in choosing crafting or skills, I spread my crafting out across multiple toons and when making a full set of weapons/gear/enchants...it takes about an hour of logging mutliples, getting to crafting stations and back to bank, etc, etc.........and having it account based wouldn't actually effect game play, like say shared skillpoints would. (I've seen that asked for here)

An hour? You might re-examine your organizational skills.

1-I always end my characters by having them be in (or out front of) a bank. Makes switching, logging in, checking mail and depositing stuff much easier.

2-Each crafter carries the materials of their trade (blacksmith has all the ores, raw, refined, whatever). When adventuring, they just dump the stuff they carry into the bank.

3-Bank holds all the style stones (even the ones that I don't have skills for yet) and all the trait stones. I sell them in batches of 10-15 in a guild store when I get over a hundred of anything (the ones for 'sturdy' and 'sprinting' tend to accumulate).

I will say that I do miss the "Mark and Recall" spell set from Morrowind; that would make some of the travelling to a particular crafting site a bit easier. Still, if I know I'm going "back there" a lot, I choose a bank for that character to hang at that's close by. My clothier (who does a lot of seducer armors) tends to hang out in Grahtwood (if I am remembering correctly - which I may not be).

Psychobunni · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

An hour? You might re-examine your organizational skills.

umm, no. to all of that. Crafting is a necessity of the game because of how they built it. It not something I enjoy doing, much less want to specifically build toons around and take up their valuable bag/bank space just to have every possible on hand immediately. Different strokes for different folks

I'd also rather know I could do xxx dungeon xxx times and have xxx gear guaranteed and have it better than what you could find anywhere...but ZOS likes arse backwards of tried and true methods. So again different strokes, it depends on what you are after in the game.

newtinmpls · February 2015

I don't see crafting as a necessity. Granted, I do have several characters that craft. However I also play a few that deign crafted sets and just mix and match when they find likable bits. Which is why I regularly go back to Toothmaul Gully to get that really super-big, super-cool two tone altmer style sheild that levels to whoever picks it up.

newtinmpls · February 2015

whoops I meant disdain crafted sets

Tandor · February 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Please do not do this, ZOS.

Those of us who like Alternate characters that follow independent paths and goals do not need fewer things that make the characters unique.

I'm in total agreement with this comment. I hate the whole account-wide sharing system other than for a part of the bank slots which I'd like to be shared, but with some individual character bank slots too.

newtinmpls · February 2015

I agree Tandor.

I wish we could flag slots/items to be "mine" or "ours" so to speak.

Gyudan · February 2015

SoulScream wrote: »

I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.

Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

It's not crafting everyone it's only research

newtinmpls · February 2015

Not sure what you mean by that...

kieso · February 2015

im going to have to say no to this; then everyone will be able to make crafting alts with little to no effort.

newtinmpls · February 2015

Because of the demands of an MMO, crafting takes no actual time; you can "research" while adventuring and so on. The whole crafter thing has already been very dumbed down to address these points.

I like that there is still somewhat of a challenge. It makes my Dunmer blacksmith quite proud of knowing "all but nirnhoned" on dagger, and my Orc Blacksmith quite proud of knowing pretty much everything about 2-handed weapons but disdaining the "little" stuff.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

Tandor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Please do not do this, ZOS.

Those of us who like Alternate characters that follow independent paths and goals do not need fewer things that make the characters unique.

I'm in total agreement with this comment. I hate the whole account-wide sharing system other than for a part of the bank slots which I'd like to be shared, but with some individual character bank slots too.

What does research have to do with a characters path?

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously? People don't see the difference betwen sharing a bank and sharing actual skills?

This is the laziest change I've ever seen suggested. I'm going to guess it comes from the "I want to grind my character to veteran level in 15 min" crowd.

Maybe they will put it in pay for play

Following your point of view...are you in opposition to the mount changes?

I think you will be a sad player when you get what the mount changes actually are.

You will have access to all mounts across account BUT each character will have to learn their own horse skills to increase speed, carry & stamina.

I suspect you will then launch a new thread about how horse skills should be account wide.

I'm on PTS and its fine. I also don't think you understand the changes based on your comment. This thread is based on the 1.6 PTS experiences I've had thus far.

The mount skills that will convert over is exactly what I'm suggesting for research only. Not crafting just research

Ourorboros · February 2015

This is a game that allows you to make choices, but with consequences. You want to spread your crafting abilities across several alts, you can. That will allow you to research more traits at one time, but at the cost of much more logging between alts. You want to train all crafts on one alt, that will make it easier to craft anything, but will take much longer and require many more skill points.

OP suggestion blends both systems, and removes the need to make reasoned choices. It just makes the game easier, for the sake of making it easier. It thwarts game design and turns it into a kids game.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

For some reason my posts is drawing ppl to attach crafting to this suggestion.
I'm in no way suggesting that crafting be changed at all.

My suggestion is that when research is performed that the account get credit. Now this should not affect anyone who crafts x on this toon and y on another toon.

It's not dumbing down the game or making crafting easier. The skills is unlocked in the same manner. The difference is that IF you make a character and unlock certain research it stays. Today, if a character is deleted all research is lost.

Because the bank, crafting mats are shared, and that mount research and pets will become shared, why is research not shared.

Again...it's not to change crafting but only to implement research just like mount training.

newtinmpls · February 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

For some reason my posts is drawing ppl to attach crafting to this suggestion.
I'm in no way suggesting that crafting be changed at all.

My suggestion is that when research is performed that the account get credit. Now this should not affect anyone who crafts x on this toon and y on another toon.

It's not dumbing down the game or making crafting easier.

Your final sentance - in light of your argument - makes no sense.

Suggesting that Crafting a trait be done by a person who never researched that trait clearly changes crafting.

Sharing bank accounts - okay, all you would have to do is "give permission" to do this, it's not a skill. I presume that dyes are like that also - I think it's silly to link them to acheivments, but okay I can stretch things to imagine that someone "discovered" the chemical/recipie for the dye and can share it.

Crafting a trait? You have to learn it. I don't see how it could be "shared".