I have done this myself, months ago. But tba, I dont like it because of the stuck in loading screen bug and no loot. But at least you can grind in peace.

Islyn wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

I just can't understand the hate for grinding.

Seriously? You can't understand why people hate people who level out faster than the game intended? You can't understand how frustrating it is to watch people essentially cheating pass you by in levels? That's some serious myopathy my friend.

Oh now I have heard everything. So do it like you want to or go pack sand?

Has it not occurred to you that most of us *have already done all the dang quests??* I mean at least 20+ people have said so on this thread alone.

Why doesn't the same argument apply to you? Stop being all into every little quest and grind to catch up!

Can't *you* understand how frustrating it is to watch someone repeatedly bash their head against a wall when they could just use the door?

Myopathy indeed. Friend.

I've seen all the comments from those claiming to have already done the content and frankly, I haven't disagreed with it. As far as leveling alts goes, I think they should allow those who have leveled once already to have a Free Leveled Toon for each long way around leveled toon they make. Would that make you happy? I'm betting it would. Many games do give free max level alts or some kind of level boost to those who have already made one max level character. Free boosts like that to alts have been around as far back as DAoC with their Free level 20's!

No myopathy here friend. I have an open mind to your plight but am not sympathetic at all to anyone who grinds their first toon past someone who is learning their characters by facing all the different situations thrown at them via questing and learning tactical methodologies to get past the tough bosses and quests and doing it 10 times faster. Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are some of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

well was the most booring grind i ever made, and i didnt made alot.
in AOE out ungroup, regroup - in again and so on for ever .. zzZZzZZzzZ

maybe it was a good change

pppontus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

I just can't understand the hate for grinding.

Seriously? You can't understand why people hate people who level out faster than the game intended? You can't understand how frustrating it is to watch people essentially cheating pass you by in levels? That's some serious myopathy my friend.

Oh now I have heard everything. So do it like you want to or go pack sand?

Has it not occurred to you that most of us *have already done all the dang quests??* I mean at least 20+ people have said so on this thread alone.

Why doesn't the same argument apply to you? Stop being all into every little quest and grind to catch up!

Can't *you* understand how frustrating it is to watch someone repeatedly bash their head against a wall when they could just use the door?

Myopathy indeed. Friend.

I've seen all the comments from those claiming to have already done the content and frankly, I haven't disagreed with it. As far as leveling alts goes, I think they should allow those who have leveled once already to have a Free Leveled Toon for each long way around leveled toon they make. Would that make you happy? I'm betting it would. Many games do give free max level alts or some kind of level boost to those who have already made one max level character. Free boosts like that to alts have been around as far back as DAoC with their Free level 20's!

No myopathy here friend. I have an open mind to your plight but am not sympathetic at all to anyone who grinds their first toon past someone who is learning their characters by facing all the different situations thrown at them via questing and learning tactical methodologies to get past the tough bosses and quests and doing it 10 times faster. Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are some of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

Yes. Obviously I can't play since I grinded instead of questing, I have to tell my guild I need to stop doing SO, hard modes and speedruns as you're here telling me that I'm a bad player. Thanks for letting me know!!

/sarcasm off

The things that people try to use to justify their playstyle being better than someone elses. I am pretty sure I learned endgame mechanics by constantly doing endgame mechanics, not by effing solo questing (afk-facerolling mobs that practically suicide themselves). Most grinds have even been a better learning experience than questing (a.k.a picking flowers for NPCs).

Um, You're writing to someone who experienced Doshia and Manimarco and Molag Bal, BEFORE they were nerfed to faceroll easy. We had to actually figure out the required skills needed for these major Main Story encounters. If you had paid attention you would have noticed the word I just bolded for you in my previous post! Obviously not everyone who has gotten to end game hasn't learned the skills and tactics necessary if they're doing trials and such, but I'm talking about end game PvP players I've encountered.

Most appear to be grinders who are complete rubbish because they don't know a thing about tactics or how to do anything beyond spamming 1 or 2 skills the whole day long. So /sarcasm and whatever, there are exceptions to every rule, but stereotypes like the one you're blaming me for exist because there are massive amounts of players who fit them.

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

but am not sympathetic at all to anyone who grinds their first toon past someone who is learning their characters by facing all the different situations thrown at them via questing and learning tactical methodologies to get past the tough bosses and quests and doing it 10 times faster. Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are some of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

Oh well yes. Learn your class fgs. Other than that, though - level as you see fit.

I am also not into the whole 'I played my char a week why can't I come to SO with you, ya gd elitists??!' Thing either.

Dude, your point was you chose to include yourself in the group of people I was talking about as if the word "some" means everyone just so you could be offended.

Islyn wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

but am not sympathetic at all to anyone who grinds their first toon past someone who is learning their characters by facing all the different situations thrown at them via questing and learning tactical methodologies to get past the tough bosses and quests and doing it 10 times faster. Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are some of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

Oh well yes. Learn your class fgs. Other than that, though - level as you see fit.

I am also not into the whole 'I played my char a week why can't I come to SO with you, ya gd elitists??!' Thing either.

Or .. you could just learn your class anyway?

It only requires being moderately intelligent, reading tooltips and trying things out.

Artemiisia wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Should do a poll lol, wonder how many actually like doing the same quests over and over and ....

who like to grind the same dungeon over and over again, its like two sets of two evils if you look it like that.

I dont judge, people can do what ever the game gives them, now this grind is gone, find another

Idk, I mat gather in Crag almost daily and belong to a trader there. I can say my own experience is that chat picked up 1000 fold, even if 80% was "LF Grind partner" from the way it was once they killed the multi-boss and Shadow grinds. And my sales which had dropped some when they killed previous grinds, were selling again within hours of listing (most).

I imagine it will quiet down again and sales will drop until the next one is found. But obviously, quite a few people would rather grind a few hours than run 2 whole more zones and still need more xp to cap.

my point is, people say they dont wanna repeat the same quest over and over again, and yet they will kill the same boss 1000 times instead.

and the reason behind they dont want to do quests its the same, well killing the same boss 1000 times is the same too

just a big flaw in their reason behind it, but hey still they can do what ever the game trows at them, idc.

just think its funny that argument and reason behind it.

That's because grinding never took 280 hours. I would not play this game if it took 280 hours to get to content that is enjoyable for me. However 20 hours of grinding, in order to do what I wanted was OK. Of course I'd have gladly reduced that time anyway.. but you get my point. There is basically a limit where spending your free time (and money) on a boring activity to get to a fun activity is no longer worth it.

pppontus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Should do a poll lol, wonder how many actually like doing the same quests over and over and ....

who like to grind the same dungeon over and over again, its like two sets of two evils if you look it like that.

I dont judge, people can do what ever the game gives them, now this grind is gone, find another

Idk, I mat gather in Crag almost daily and belong to a trader there. I can say my own experience is that chat picked up 1000 fold, even if 80% was "LF Grind partner" from the way it was once they killed the multi-boss and Shadow grinds. And my sales which had dropped some when they killed previous grinds, were selling again within hours of listing (most).

I imagine it will quiet down again and sales will drop until the next one is found. But obviously, quite a few people would rather grind a few hours than run 2 whole more zones and still need more xp to cap.

my point is, people say they dont wanna repeat the same quest over and over again, and yet they will kill the same boss 1000 times instead.

and the reason behind they dont want to do quests its the same, well killing the same boss 1000 times is the same too

just a big flaw in their reason behind it, but hey still they can do what ever the game trows at them, idc.

just think its funny that argument and reason behind it.

That's because grinding never took 280 hours. I would not play this game if it took 280 hours to get to content that is enjoyable for me. However 20 hours of grinding, in order to do what I wanted was OK. Of course I'd have gladly reduced that time anyway.. but you get my point. There is basically a limit where spending your free time (and money) on a boring activity to get to a fun activity is no longer worth it.

thats a whole lot better way of saying it, so its not because its repeatable content, its time consuming vs faster grinds

Fortunately I have more than one VR character and so I'm capped at my 70 CP's. But what about those who want to get up to at least the CP cap before 1.6 goes live and doesn't want to miss out on the opprotunity of future points? The easiest way to do that is by grinding.

I'm not the biggest fan of grinding myself and consider it extremely boring. However, ZOS is the one who put the CP system in place and we are just trying to find ways for our future characters to be prepared for it.

pppontus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Dude, your point was you chose to include yourself in the group of people I was talking about as if the word "some" means everyone just so you could be offended.

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SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are ***some*** of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

The word some is not there. You are literally talking about those who are grinding, so get your wording straight before you try to make a point about what exactly you said.

Although I hear you can level up your arguments by questing nowadays.

You don't read very well do you. It's been right there the whole time regarding their skill levels. It's called reading IN CONTEXT. The second part is what clarifies the first. By ignoring it, you chose to include yourself in the portion of players that I called the worst when I said some are the worst and took offense. You failed to comprehend that the first part wasn't a stand alone absolute declaration of truth. Obviously, some doesn't mean all and some might be the best. I haven't had the good fortune to run across that group of some yet! You may or may not be in it. Judging by your reading comprehension, I have my doubts.

Artemiisia wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

That's because grinding never took 280 hours. I would not play this game if it took 280 hours to get to content that is enjoyable for me. However 20 hours of grinding, in order to do what I wanted was OK. Of course I'd have gladly reduced that time anyway.. but you get my point. There is basically a limit where spending your free time (and money) on a boring activity to get to a fun activity is no longer worth it.

thats a whole lot better way of saying it, so its not because its repeatable content, its time consuming vs faster grinds

And there is the exact reason why grinding is repeatedly nerfed. The designers do not want you Maxing out in 20 hours. How hard is this to comprehend?

pppontus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

thats a whole lot better way of saying it, so its not because its repeatable content, its time consuming vs faster grinds

Yeah, at least for me it is. I don't have a lot of free time nowadays so I have to decide what to spend that time on, 200 hours of leveling (through whatever means) just isn't one of those things. I believe this is the concern for many regarding this grinding nerf.

Again, Welcome to MMO's where Time is Meant To Be Spent. Don't enjoy it? Find something else to play.

Ashtaris wrote: »

Fortunately I have more than one VR character and so I'm capped at my 70 CP's. But what about those who want to get up to at least the CP cap before 1.6 goes live and doesn't want to miss out on the opprotunity of future points? The easiest way to do that is by grinding.

I'm not the biggest fan of grinding myself and consider it extremely boring. However, ZOS is the one who put the CP system in place and we are just trying to find ways for our future characters to be prepared for it.

Unless they are brand new players, most of those who haven't made it to VR yet are probably the people who are enjoying actually taking their time and experiencing the journey. Brand New players shouldn't even be thinking they're going to get rewarded for time spent leveling if the time hasn't been spent! The very fact that Grinding is being nerfed at every turn should tell you and them that ZOS does NOT WANT TO REWARD GRINDING.

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Dude, your point was you chose to include yourself in the group of people I was talking about as if the word "some" means everyone just so you could be offended.

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SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Those who are "Grinding" aren't learning skills or tactics taking out the same trash mobs over and over and over adnauseum and they are ***some*** of the worst end game players I've had the misfortune to come across!

The word some is not there. You are literally talking about those who are grinding, so get your wording straight before you try to make a point about what exactly you said.

Although I hear you can level up your arguments by questing nowadays.

You don't read very well do you. It's been right there the whole time regarding their skill levels. It's called reading IN CONTEXT. The second part is what clarifies the first. By ignoring it, you chose to include yourself in the portion of players that I called the worst when I said some are the worst and took offense. You failed to comprehend that the first part wasn't a stand alone absolute declaration of truth. Obviously, some doesn't mean all and some might be the best. I haven't had the good fortune to run across that group of some yet! You may or may not be in it. Judging by your reading comprehension, I have my doubts.

Artemiisia wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

That's because grinding never took 280 hours. I would not play this game if it took 280 hours to get to content that is enjoyable for me. However 20 hours of grinding, in order to do what I wanted was OK. Of course I'd have gladly reduced that time anyway.. but you get my point. There is basically a limit where spending your free time (and money) on a boring activity to get to a fun activity is no longer worth it.

thats a whole lot better way of saying it, so its not because its repeatable content, its time consuming vs faster grinds

And there is the exact reason why grinding is repeatedly nerfed. The designers do not want you Maxing out in 20 hours. How hard is this to comprehend?

pppontus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

thats a whole lot better way of saying it, so its not because its repeatable content, its time consuming vs faster grinds

Yeah, at least for me it is. I don't have a lot of free time nowadays so I have to decide what to spend that time on, 200 hours of leveling (through whatever means) just isn't one of those things. I believe this is the concern for many regarding this grinding nerf.

Again, Welcome to MMO's where Time is Meant To Be Spent. Don't enjoy it? Find something else to play.

Ashtaris wrote: »

Fortunately I have more than one VR character and so I'm capped at my 70 CP's. But what about those who want to get up to at least the CP cap before 1.6 goes live and doesn't want to miss out on the opprotunity of future points? The easiest way to do that is by grinding.

I'm not the biggest fan of grinding myself and consider it extremely boring. However, ZOS is the one who put the CP system in place and we are just trying to find ways for our future characters to be prepared for it.

Unless they are brand new players, most of those who haven't made it to VR yet are probably the people who are enjoying actually taking their time and experiencing the journey. Brand New players shouldn't even be thinking they're going to get rewarded for time spent leveling if the time hasn't been spent! The very fact that Grinding is being nerfed at every turn should tell you and them that ZOS does NOT WANT TO REWARD GRINDING.

Dude, you are flattering yourself if you think I would take offense by anything you said. I don't need a quester to tell me about my "skill" or reading comprehension. Btw congrats on colouring the text, really makes your point less pointless (I mean come on, atleast it has pretty colours).

My comment was made purely because I despise the attitude. I have met plenty of people like that in game, they think because they quested they play the game "the right way". I've even had several people report me for mob grinding outside a quest area disturbing no one because "OMG YOU CHEAT, YOU LEVEL FASTER THAN ME WTF".

Just get over yourself, why do you even care? I couldn't care less if questing took 20 hours as well, I might do that then. I just choose whatever is beneficial for me (fastest) and you choose whatever the hell you want, I don't care, so please stop giving a f about which method I use to level.

Grinding was always the fastest way to endgame. Luckily I'm already there (x5), so I'll live. However Zeni is going to lose a lot of players who'd otherwise be here to help pay the bills by these changes, I can promise you that.. and because I don't want players to leave the game, I'm going to continue to express my opinion and hope that Zenimax listens.

Why would anyone want to do vet content for veteran XP now, instead of for CP later?

That is why I grind. I don't want to blow non-repeatable content on XP as opposed to CP.

pppontus wrote: »

I couldn't care less if questing took 20 hours as well, I might do that then. I just choose whatever is beneficial for me (fastest) and you choose whatever the hell you want, I don't care, so please stop giving a f about which method I use to level.

Well there you go, ZOS heard your prayers. Now you can lvl as fast by grinding as you can by questing.