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Low Population Bonus Issues
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Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Also for those saying this is an exploit remember that the mechanic is working as intended (not bugged) so no exploiting is happening, just the fact it's a horribly unbalanced mechanic.
Come on now @Turelus you can come to our Christmas party tonight if it will cheer you up
@Solar_Breeze
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Also for those saying this is an exploit remember that the mechanic is working as intended (not bugged) so no exploiting is happening, just the fact it's a horribly unbalanced mechanic.
Come on now @Turelus you can come to our Christmas party tonight if it will cheer you up
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »And again:
And this is why this month I've been doing writs, pledges, trials and other stuff. Thanks to this, AD has reduced the score difference from about 10k to 4k in one night. That's another 6k points in a few hours. Impossible to pull off without this bonus+map grab exploit.
Map grab wasn't an 'exploit' we saw an opportunity to crown emp and took it with coordination from 5 guilds + some zone pugs this then enabled us to cap the map.
The fact we got the bonus after doing this if it is based off last 2 days + activity is valid.
The amount of the bonus is the only questionable area.
From where I'm standing it sure looks like an exploit. I'm not accusing individuals, but this is how I feel. Let's hope ZOS will fix it soon so we can stop throwing ourselves at each other's throats in the forums and start doing it in Cyrodiil
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Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Also for those saying this is an exploit remember that the mechanic is working as intended (not bugged) so no exploiting is happening, just the fact it's a horribly unbalanced mechanic.
Now PvP is all about AP farming in Thorn. What's the point playing and trying to win when ZOS promotes not playing, at least for one faction...
This week I never once saw that AD where so outnumbered that they should deserve low pop bonus.
But if devs said it's working as intended, then it's seems working fine, as a tool to drive away players from PvP. Wabba left...
Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!2 -
Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Also for those saying this is an exploit remember that the mechanic is working as intended (not bugged) so no exploiting is happening, just the fact it's a horribly unbalanced mechanic.
Come on now @Turelus you can come to our Christmas party tonight if it will cheer you up
:< ok@Solar_Breeze
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washlov✭✭✭And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Also for those saying this is an exploit remember that the mechanic is working as intended (not bugged) so no exploiting is happening, just the fact it's a horribly unbalanced mechanic.
Now PvP is all about AP farming in Thorn. What's the point playing and trying to win when ZOS promotes not playing, at least for one faction...
This week I never once saw that AD where so outnumbered that they should deserve low pop bonus.
But if devs said it's working as intended, then it's seems working fine, as a tool to drive away players from PvP. Wabba left...
AD cant win fair but whose fault is it?
oh wait its a lucky coincidence as always
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anyone who wants to start pointing fingers and slinging poo please go to the Thornblade EU thread and post there.
Keep this thread about updated information on when the mechanic happens or talk about what it could be improved. I'm still hoping to see a ZOS post some time about what they're planning on changing to make this better, I really don't want to wait weeks for PTS notes to find out.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭I'm hoping for the same. Fed up with PvP now. Don't think anyone can win it fairly now. And I am only pointing my finger at the low 'works-as-intended' pop-bonus.
PvP for me is not about winning the campaign anymore. That is well and truly shagged. Only about bashing Smurfs and Bananas now.... @Nermy
Ex-Leader of The Wabbajack [EU EP PvP guild - Now stood down from active duty]BLOOD FOR THE PACT!!!
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Thudunblundur✭✭✭Well, I'm going to log in to pick up crafting mats. I have no interest whatsoever in Thornblade anymore - entirely due to this working as intended mechanism wrecking the campaigns and the campaigns were what I played for much more than the individual fights. Tough titty folks - more easy AP moving away.
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Never forget that we are dealing with a large corporation based in one of the most business friendly environments on earth.
edit: Oh, and thanks for the news on the mechanism in update 6, Turelus.
addition: Logged in and answered a general plea for help from a guildmate. That was me pvp-ing for the next few hours. Horrible to see what the low population bonus has made of the campaign.Edited by Thudunblundur on December 22, 2014 7:26PM0 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »What u see now is only 1/5 of what AD pop used to be.
Yet AD is on par population-wise with the other factions from what I've seen.
Edit: Also, every factions PvP population suffered heavily. I made an alt earn a few hundred AP to see how many players have Thornblade (DC) as their home campaign, and it's not even 2k. That's extremeley low if you ask me.Edited by r.jan_emailb16_ESO on December 23, 2014 10:18AMLairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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I'm done, CU somewhere else.1 -
even in a PVP only guild i see 35/50 players playing PvE they just dont like it anymore... its a shame though idk if AD is exploting this but its for sure not working as intended.
ZOS should fix the max cap of it then its done mostlyYT: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheESOmaster
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Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »What u see now is only 1/5 of what AD pop used to be.
Yet AD is on par population-wise with the other factions from what I've seen.
Edit: Also, every factions PvP population suffered heavily. I made an alt earn a few hundred AP to see how many players have Thornblade (DC) as their home campaign, and it's not even 2k. That's extremeley low if you ask me.
24 AP here. #1596 right now.Edited by Isbilen on December 25, 2014 3:26AM0 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This low population bonus arrived after AD took the entire map with a large night shift and while there will still more AD around than for example EP.
The screenshot also doesn't show the new record score: 1572 points per hour.
Dont tell this to anybody.. Just between you and me please...
Izanagi is a hacker he hacked the ZoS eso servers and when they took the whole map the he activated the low pop bonus..Thats how they do it.
Highly confidential, dont forget this.0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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What kills PvP much more for me is the dedicated AoE spam from groups and guilds, with seemingly no other purpose than to lag everything to ***.And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Naturally, it's never your
Oogabooga me idiot.Lava_Croft wrote: »This low population bonus arrived after AD took the entire map with a large night shift and while there will still more AD around than for example EP.
The screenshot also doesn't show the new record score: 1572 points per hour.
Dont tell this to anybody.. Just between you and me please...
Izanagi is a hacker he hacked the ZoS eso servers and when they took the whole map the he activated the low pop bonus..Thats how they do it.
Highly confidential, dont forget this.
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heng14rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭The truth is .........................
Which is verified by ESO admin & dev .........
Which is also double confirm by blue & red spy ............
AD really has a low population !!!1 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What kills PvP much more for me is the dedicated AoE spam from groups and guilds, with seemingly no other purpose than to lag everything to ***.And this is what killed PVP for me in this game.
Naturally, it's never your
Oogabooga me idiot.Lava_Croft wrote: »This low population bonus arrived after AD took the entire map with a large night shift and while there will still more AD around than for example EP.
The screenshot also doesn't show the new record score: 1572 points per hour.
Dont tell this to anybody.. Just between you and me please...
Izanagi is a hacker he hacked the ZoS eso servers and when they took the whole map the he activated the low pop bonus..Thats how they do it.
Highly confidential, dont forget this.
Sometimes youre such a bada$$ dude. LoLEdited by Nicko_Lps on December 26, 2014 10:29PM0 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »The truth is .........................
Which is verified by ESO admin & dev .........
Which is also double confirm by blue & red spy ............
AD really has a low population !!!
Please link to the ESO admin and dev information that confirms AD are lowest population. I've been searching for hard information on this for a while now 0 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.Edited by Thudunblundur on December 27, 2014 1:08AM1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."0 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.
I would say you should pass them on to ZOS, in the least they could then check their logs to see if anything fishy did happen.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.
I would say you should pass them on to ZOS, in the least they could then check their logs to see if anything fishy did happen.
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What he said.0 -
themdogesbite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.
I have friends that told me that DC are exploiting the mechanic aswell to get a two front war on AD!111 /s.
Sorry, you still just sound deluded. You are stuck in some withc hunt for AD now, Just accept that the mechanic is broken and will therefore be changed.:]0 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.
I have friends that told me that DC are exploiting the mechanic aswell to get a two front war on AD!111 /s.
Sorry, you still just sound deluded. You are stuck in some withc hunt for AD now, Just accept that the mechanic is broken and will therefore be changed.
Except nothing on the map supports you as it does me. Heh. I've been told by an AD player that serious shenanigans are going on. Without the low pop bonus (which it still isn't clear you have genuinely earned!) you'd have been nowhere for months. By doing this you are wrecking the best person to person combat game there has ever been.
If you are a part of this abuse then be ashamed.0 -
themdogesbite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thudunblundur wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »Interesting. An AD guildmate confirmed today that he had heard one Cyrodiil guild leader who has a comparatively good reputation begging another in zone chat NOT to activate the low population glitch, but without success. This was a few nights ago and there weren't that many players on I understand. Something about being in second with a population 1/24th of the general population? Didn't get all the details. DID notice it was referred to as a glitch not a bonus.
Good to know there are senior yellows who are concerned about this.
IF this is true, I'd like to see the matter investigated by ZOS and the banhammer used on those responsible for exploiting.
I would agree, although I'm still not willing to take a events reported by someone who's friend saw something.
They states on the ESO show that these bonuses are calculated over days (at least that's what I remember) so manipulation is like they said pretty damn hard to achieve.
Yes, I understand. I wouldn't accept this as certainly true if I heard it as you have, second hand. Unfortunately, I heard it from a guildmate and believe he is telling the truth. I was told the names of the people involved though of course I can't mention them here. I would happily pass them on to any official investigation of this issue.
I have friends that told me that DC are exploiting the mechanic aswell to get a two front war on AD!111 /s.
Sorry, you still just sound deluded. You are stuck in some withc hunt for AD now, Just accept that the mechanic is broken and will therefore be changed.
Except nothing on the map supports you as it does me. Heh. I've been told by an AD player that serious shenanigans are going on. Without the low pop bonus (which it still isn't clear you have genuinely earned!) you'd have been nowhere for months. By doing this you are wrecking the best person to person combat game there has ever been.
If you are a part of this abuse then be ashamed.
Then please, what supports your claim? empty words? Im not saying anything about the bonus being justified, i´ve been saying since the first time that i saw it applied that it was rubbish and not working as intended. We as players cant do anything about this, we cant prove that it´s exploitable. We cant change it. We just have to deal with it for now until zenimax decides to change it.
Drop your witch hunt, you´re doing nothing else then adding fuel to the fire.Edited by themdogesbite on December 28, 2014 12:05AM:]0 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭After all I said about what was alleged - and there's more I have not mentioned - going only on feel and sense of wrongness with the map through long experience of game playing as both a player and gm...and then you have a witness.
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I've already had a demand for identities.Edited by Thudunblundur on December 28, 2014 12:12AM0