Low Population Bonus Issues

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

DC Protesting so much that AD is guilty of something almost like DC tried to manipulate it and it backfired giving it to AD, I suspect @Thudunblundur to be the ringleader.

daemonios

Dalglish wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Last 2 - 3 days AD have been at a considerably lower pop then the other factions at times. The ammount of points the bonus brings is still to high though.

Please save your conspiracy theories. AD is NOT manipulating this at will. This lowpop bonus have made a lot of players not wanting to pvp anymore on our side too.

I afraid that the timings of the bonus last campaign and the fact that until recently AD weren't the lowest population faction on Thornblade EU as far as anyone could see makes your protestations look a bit flimsy. Which is part of the problem: We simply can't tell whether you personally, you as a faction, a guild within your faction or no-one has been playing silly buggers.

The effect is that we simply can't trust anything an AD player says on this matter.

If they are going to have a bonus, all players should know how it works OR have faith in the developers.

Dont forget that this is a game we are playing, it must get tedious to think the worst of everything all the time.

Turelus wrote: »

Right now 00:31 GMT DC & AD medium, EP low. Thornblade EU

Edit* Updated for campaign.

This is after EP have been population locked whilst AD and DC have been on medium. AD was on medium the longest today even.

It's not a case of thinking the worst. It's just suspicion. If an AD player insists there's nothing going on, a little part of my mind notes they are AD and regards the protest with suspicion. After all, how can you know? And cheating is cheating, in a game or in life.

If a black (insert any race, colour or creed) person is accused of committing a crime irl, are you immediately suspicious of all black people?

If what your blabbing on about holds true, its the same principle.

False analogy there. AD aren't under suspicion because they're AD, but rather because they and they alone have been profiting from this bonus. A lot.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Last 2 - 3 days AD have been at a considerably lower pop then the other factions at times. The ammount of points the bonus brings is still to high though.

Please save your conspiracy theories. AD is NOT manipulating this at will. This lowpop bonus have made a lot of players not wanting to pvp anymore on our side too.

I afraid that the timings of the bonus last campaign and the fact that until recently AD weren't the lowest population faction on Thornblade EU as far as anyone could see makes your protestations look a bit flimsy. Which is part of the problem: We simply can't tell whether you personally, you as a faction, a guild within your faction or no-one has been playing silly buggers.

The effect is that we simply can't trust anything an AD player says on this matter.

If they are going to have a bonus, all players should know how it works OR have faith in the developers.

Dont forget that this is a game we are playing, it must get tedious to think the worst of everything all the time.

Turelus wrote: »

Right now 00:31 GMT DC & AD medium, EP low. Thornblade EU

Edit* Updated for campaign.

This is after EP have been population locked whilst AD and DC have been on medium. AD was on medium the longest today even.

It's not a case of thinking the worst. It's just suspicion. If an AD player insists there's nothing going on, a little part of my mind notes they are AD and regards the protest with suspicion. After all, how can you know? And cheating is cheating, in a game or in life.

If a black (insert any race, colour or creed) person is accused of committing a crime irl, are you immediately suspicious of all black people?

If what your blabbing on about holds true, its the same principle.

False analogy there. AD aren't under suspicion because they're AD, but rather because they and they alone have been profiting from this bonus. A lot.

I still think DC tried to manipulate the population bonus and it gave it to AD instead personally. Your probs DC so your under suspicion and I'm not going to take anything you say on the matter into consideration

Aranita

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Last 2 - 3 days AD have been at a considerably lower pop then the other factions at times.

Not really. First picture shows population yesterday evening, yellow and red locked, blue 3 lines. Second picture shows low population bonus for AD today morning. AD has most keeps, BTW.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Well done trying to manipulate the score again DC, thanks for our bonus on AD side.

Thudunblundur

I do not suspect AD players who have not played in the Thornblade EU campaign, or only a few times, just as I would not have that niggle of suspicion about someone who was not around at the time of the crime. I know perfectly well that most of you are innocent. Perhaps all of you. But it looks as though this system is being abused, especially as we are told it is working as intended, so those with means, motive and opportunity are suspect. Nothing unusual here. Having trouble seeing why this is such a surprise.

Izanagi: No-one thinks you are sincere.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Thudunblundur wrote: »

I do not suspect AD players who have not played in the Thornblade EU campaign, or only a few times, just as I would not have that niggle of suspicion about someone who was not around at the time of the crime. I know perfectly well that most of you are innocent. Perhaps all of you. But it looks as though this system is being abused, especially as we are told it is working as intended, so those with means, motive and opportunity are suspect. Nothing unusual here. Having trouble seeing why this is such a surprise.

Izanagi: No-one thinks you are sincere.

Blatant denial, proof of guilt. Glad you finally admitted it and we can all sleep well. I for one will be pushing DC back to their gates for trying to manipulate the score like this. Anyone on EP is welcome to join me although you can also stay at the bridge np.

Turelus

Don't make me call a time out kids. :disagree:

Honestly if anyone has figured out a way to mess with it they're not going to go shouting about it are they. The only people who would be able to find out are ZOS and they're telling us it can't be messed with. Sadly though the community is going to play finger pointing games about it.

Well another week gone by and another week with nothing but tumble weed from ZOS. Meh.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

I'd say just make a new topic personally, one that doesnt have a dev comment in already then they will probs look at it.

Thudunblundur

Shrug. You are free to believe what you wish. Just as I am. I feel sorry for all innocent AD caught up in this. It's a horrible feeling: to be innocent and suspected. But that's the situation that has been created and it does look very much as if at least a few AD players have been messing with the low population bonus. Blame them and or Zenimax for creating this situation.

Edit: I emphasise again that there is no proof of guilt here. Just suspicion.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Shrug. You are free to believe what you wish. Just as I am. I feel sorry for all innocent AD caught up in this. It's a horrible feeling: to be innocent and suspected. But that's the situation that has been created and it does look very much as if at least a few AD players have been messing with the low population bonus. Blame them and or Zenimax for creating this situation.

Edit: I emphasise again that there is no proof of guilt here. Just suspicion.

For me there is proof you are guilty sorry, I feel bad for you trying to manipulate the score and failing giving AD a benefit but blame those doing it on DC or ZOS for the situation.

DaggerfallTradeMasters

I just hate this low pop bonus every time i take a keep and then think about the pop bonus i think: If i really want to help my Alliance win i should leave the PvP... All my fellow guildmembers think the same about this its just a shame serious.
And then the worthless reaction: Its working as intended yeah sure.....................................................................

sphane

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

sphane wrote: »

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Got to protect that buff campaign

sphane

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Got to protect that buff campaign

I had a look there but after 30 sec, I asked myself what am I doing here and go naked to pick flowers to divert insomnia, in a nice and peaceful bucolic walk... not raging, just feeling as the last Neanderthal man waiting his end.

Turelus

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Got to protect that buff campaign

I think a lot of our members are there now as well. I know WJ and Renegades have been running around spoiling other buff campaigns because they're bored of Thornblade due to these issues.

In regards to a new topic, it might help but there have been so many already.
I was hoping that if they're reading this, they would at least chime in with something, even if it's to say "we're never changing this, grow a pair" just... something.

daemonios

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I still think DC tried to manipulate the population bonus and it gave it to AD instead personally. Your probs DC so your under suspicion and I'm not going to take anything you say on the matter into consideration

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Well done trying to manipulate the score again DC, thanks for our bonus on AD side.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Blatant denial, proof of guilt. Glad you finally admitted it and we can all sleep well. I for one will be pushing DC back to their gates for trying to manipulate the score like this. Anyone on EP is welcome to join me although you can also stay at the bridge np.

I've read your previous comments on this topic and you seemed like a reasonable guy. These last few? I don't know if you're on something (can I have some?), trolling or just tired of flogging this dead horse...

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I still think DC tried to manipulate the population bonus and it gave it to AD instead personally. Your probs DC so your under suspicion and I'm not going to take anything you say on the matter into consideration

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Well done trying to manipulate the score again DC, thanks for our bonus on AD side.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Blatant denial, proof of guilt. Glad you finally admitted it and we can all sleep well. I for one will be pushing DC back to their gates for trying to manipulate the score like this. Anyone on EP is welcome to join me although you can also stay at the bridge np.

I've read your previous comments on this topic and you seemed like a reasonable guy. These last few? I don't know if you're on something (can I have some?), trolling or just tired of flogging this dead horse...

Mild confusion is what I aim for with my posts . Just illustrating how nonsensical the conspiracy posters here are. Also bumping the post

KBKB

Can't believe this BS is still going on and its working as intended fix your *** before you go pure PvE @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

PS: What union are you guys @ZOS in? I'm looking to be awful at my job and have complete protection.

Rune_Relic

Turelus wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Got to protect that buff campaign

I think a lot of our members are there now as well. I know WJ and Renegades have been running around spoiling other buff campaigns because they're bored of Thornblade due to these issues.

In regards to a new topic, it might help but there have been so many already.
I was hoping that if they're reading this, they would at least chime in with something, even if it's to say "we're never changing this, grow a pair" just... something.

Wouldnt the best idea be to snapshot the assets owned / population 1 minute before the pop bonus ticks over on every campaign.
Build a graph of these 1 minute pre-tick snapshots.

Start this on a new thread and I will try to do this on azura EU. A new thread will be good as no one can be on time all the time. So multiple can help and we can put this to bed one way or the other.

So you start thread...we upload snapshots...you collate a graph using the snapshots ?

Nermy

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

Some strange feeling yesterday 1H30AM CET. More red players on Azura than on Thorn...

Got to protect that buff campaign

I think a lot of our members are there now as well. I know WJ and Renegades have been running around spoiling other buff campaigns because they're bored of Thornblade due to these issues.

In regards to a new topic, it might help but there have been so many already.
I was hoping that if they're reading this, they would at least chime in with something, even if it's to say "we're never changing this, grow a pair" just... something.

Wouldnt the best idea be to snapshot the assets owned / population 1 minute before the pop bonus ticks over on every campaign.
Build a graph of these 1 minute pre-tick snapshots.

Start this on a new thread and I will try to do this on azura EU. A new thread will be good as no one can be on time all the time. So multiple can help and we can put this to bed one way or the other.

So you start thread...we upload snapshots...you collate a graph using the snapshots ?

I like this idea... Would love to see how the bonus is affecting the score line.

Thudunblundur

Unless you can get the information for November's Thornblade EU, it's not really going to help that much is it? I'd also add that I'm a moderate in this matter. For many people AD is tried and condemned already.

Rune_Relic

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Unless you can get the information for November's Thornblade EU, it's not really going to help that much is it? I'd also add that I'm a moderate in this matter. For many people AD is tried and condemned already.

No its not gooing to help with past issues.... but at least we can see any funny business clear as day and provide evidence if there is any.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

AD really actually deserve the bonus tbh

Turelus

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

AD really actually deserve the bonus tbh

TBH that's not a wrong statement, I just wish it wasn't as demoralising and campaign breaking as it is. These early days are annoying but not too bad, if AD was to gain get that 1400 bonus but in the last few days, that could be a campaign decider.

KBKB

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

AD really actually deserve the bonus tbh

Try being DC -_-

Thudunblundur

Interesting contrast isn't it? November campaign (Thorn EU) AD were not as far as one could see the low population faction and they got 7000+ points from the bonus. In December's campaign to date, AD HAVE been the lowest population as far as one can tell, but have NOT received significant bonuses.
+
Is this REALLY working as intended, Zenimax?

Turelus

It would be interesting to have the population data from an entire day to see if it spikes up or down at any times. However I can't think of a way to do this other than sit in Cyrodiil for a whole 24 hour period taking screenshots every 30mins.

I believe the AD members are innocent in this bonus, however even my own guild has questions just how easy it would be to manipulate it.
Which is a sad thing to hear when players are questioning if a mechanic is actually able to be used to their advantage in direct disagreement with the developers saying it's not.

themdogesbite

AD currently have another lowpop bonus on Thornblade EU, after staying up very late during Thursday - Sunday it seems that it is the very late night / early morning that AD usually is the most outnumbered. It was also arround this hour that the crazy 1400+ lowpop bonus got applied. Coincidence?

Lava_Croft

Having to actually play in order to gain score? That's just crazy.