Low Population Bonus Issues

Thudunblundur

I should add that the witness will not be identified by me.

Or the names except to a responsible authority. But I will not identify the witness.

heng14rwb17_ESO

lol

First the people complain about huge distance to travel, so dev bring in forward camp.

Now people complain about having FC that they need to fight many people again & again which led to huge queue time to enter cyrodiil.

Currently FC is gone, which also let to many pvp players left so not much queue time now.
But surprise, they complain about less people to fight which means low pop bonus will be activated.

Peteris

This bonus must be removed right *beep* NOW.
Seriously how ... errmm... unwise... must be people to be to say that its working as intended? Because even if it is then this is prime example of terrible design that must be changed immediately (not loudly confirm that people designed it was so incredibly stupid).
<sarcasm>
Try to think for about 5 minutes and you might came to some surprising conclusions.
*hint* balancing uneven population should not be done by giving out scores, but... well... perhaps some game system that... I dont know... alters situation on... battlefield?!?!? oh wait cyrodill was all about ninjas, night caps and low pop score... never mind... working as intended (after all sitting and thinking to how change cyrodill to make it look like war is too difficult, it will take whole 5 minutes)
</sarcasm>

Thudunblundur

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

lol

First the people complain about huge distance to travel, so dev bring in forward camp.

Now people complain about having FC that they need to fight many people again & again which led to huge queue time to enter cyrodiil.

Currently FC is gone, which also let to many pvp players left so not much queue time now.
But surprise, they complain about less people to fight which means low pop bonus will be activated.

Only by cheating yellow players.

Turelus

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

Lava_Croft

They never said it's not an issue. They said all was working as intended. Saying something works as intended does not mean it's not an issue, as has been made clear by the several threads concerning this subject. Instead of jumping onto your crybaby train right away, be thankful that ZOS is smart enough to change its mind on things.

KBKB

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

Turelus

KBKB wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

I guess time will tell on this one, but at least they did something.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

I guess time will tell on this one, but at least they did something.

Agree, It basically depends on whether people were actually manipulating it or whether it was just a natural event. If the latter it will improve if not then at least it will only be for 1 day I've not seen a lowpop on Thorn for a while at least since the drop in population caps.

Isbilen

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

I guess time will tell on this one, but at least they did something.

Agree, It basically depends on whether people were actually manipulating it or whether it was just a natural event. If the latter it will improve if not then at least it will only be for 1 day I've not seen a lowpop on Thorn for a while at least since the drop in population caps.

That's because it's not applied to 1st place. If AD drops to second I'm certain it's going to happen again. Same thing as last campaign, when you were in the lead it never happened, when you were behind it suddenly boosted your points by *3 (or is it 4) every time.

Dalglish

Funny thing is the people claiming AD are not out numbered.

Isbilen wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

I guess time will tell on this one, but at least they did something.

Agree, It basically depends on whether people were actually manipulating it or whether it was just a natural event. If the latter it will improve if not then at least it will only be for 1 day I've not seen a lowpop on Thorn for a while at least since the drop in population caps.

That's because it's not applied to 1st place. If AD drops to second I'm certain it's going to happen again. Same thing as last campaign, when you were in the lead it never happened, when you were behind it suddenly boosted your points by *3 (or is it 4) every time.

How do you actually know? Are you in touch with any developer who wrote the code that determines the low pop bonus?

If not, can you please refrain from sharing your *lack of* knowledge.

Isbilen

Dalglish wrote: »

Funny thing is the people claiming AD are not out numbered.

Isbilen wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So from the 1.6 PTS notes.

The underscroring bonus for the 30 day campaign now applies for one day instead of three days.

Well there is the fix, I'm glad to see it was addressed but I can't be overjoyed for a couple of reasons. First it took three months or more to fix, secondly this fix was only ever communicated to the PVP community via the ESO live show and never discussed here with the many people who were upset and asking for information about it.

My recommendation to ZOS is the next issue like this that comes up.

• Please don't insult the community by telling us it's not an issue, then actually making an adjustment because we were right.
• Ignoring the community when they're asking for more information.
• Only release updated information via ESO live and not the associated issue thread.
• Be willing to engage with the community not treat us like the enemy.

I don't really think this is a fix? the design is still easily manipulated and flawed?

I guess time will tell on this one, but at least they did something.

Agree, It basically depends on whether people were actually manipulating it or whether it was just a natural event. If the latter it will improve if not then at least it will only be for 1 day I've not seen a lowpop on Thorn for a while at least since the drop in population caps.

That's because it's not applied to 1st place. If AD drops to second I'm certain it's going to happen again. Same thing as last campaign, when you were in the lead it never happened, when you were behind it suddenly boosted your points by *3 (or is it 4) every time.

How do you actually know? Are you in touch with any developer who wrote the code that determines the low pop bonus?

If not, can you please refrain from sharing your *lack of* knowledge.

I am basing it on observations from the two previous campaigns. We will see tomorrow morning, you're 2nd now.

heng14rwb17_ESO

AD is now concentrating our forces in TB.
Shouldn't have any low population bonus now.

Jasli

yeah, working as intended.....