I usually never play PvP, but I don't think we need a PvE Cryodiil because some people can't be bother to learn how to play in a PvP enviroment. I'm in Cryodiil collecting sky shards and doing quests. I've been in one castle seige just to see what it was like. It's actually pretty intense sneaking behind enemy lines to collect shards while advoiding enemy players. Being killed in Cryodiil is even less of a problem then in the rest of the world.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

.... I don't care if being handed things makes some people happier. It is not a good way to run a game. There is pvp, and there is pve. and there are achievements and benefits to both. I don't get trial gear unless I do the trials. I don't get public dungeon skillpoints unless I pve in those dungeons.

This game has multiple avenues for progression. You will not always like what you have to do. There is the option with pvp to just completely ignore it altogether.

I have put effort in all the progression (except trials, only got a chance at those once.) I have gotten the rewards for participating in the many different avenues of advancement the game has.

Every pvp player up until this point (probably still after the patch, we'll see) who is in vet ranks, has pve'd their butts off to be competitive in pvp.

Many of them hate that stuff but they sucked it up and did it because that is part of the game.

Pve players are not exempt from this. You do not get a special pass where you get all the rewards but only have to do the easier things out there and put minimal effort forth.

Smeep...You are my hero. Agree with EVERY WORD.

Snit wrote: »

How To Not Get Ganked

If PvE players want to do the PvE stuff in Cyrodil, without engaging in PvP, there are some simple guidelines to minimize your chances of getting ganked:

1. Find a campaign where your faction dominates. Ask around. Find out which map is all your color. You still have to be careful -- gankers always exist. Also, this isn't truly necessary -- you can grab all 46 skyshards solo on contested campaigns (I have), but that's much riskier.
2. Get off your horse, high or otherwise. If you get caught mounted, you're probably dead. Resign yourself to the fact that speed and safety are mutually exclusive choices in Cyrodil, so pick one and live with the results.
3. Group. This isn't necessary, but it's helpful. Gankers rarely tackle groups of three or four, unless someone is lagging well behind
4. Sneak. Everyone sneaks in Cyrodil. Whenever you approach anything interesting -- a crossroads, skyshard or cave, sneak. Bring many cheap stamina pots so you can sneak longer. Be patient.

The most important thing, though, is to not get upset if you're killed. In PvE, you reasonably expect to win 99% of your encounters with NPC's. In PvP, 50% is reasonably good -- and it's fantastic if you're not the one doing the ambushing.

Finally, turn off zone chat if it's driving you mad. Cyrodil can hold 1,500 players. There will often be two or three beating their chests and being morons in chat. So the eff what?

I'll add one more. Get rid of your pets.

I came across a level 40 player a couple of days ago while I was handing in a quest. I had no desire to attack them and wasn't going to. But their pets were out and both decided to attack me, hence 5 secs later that player was dead and probably complaining about a vet 9 picking on them.

I originally got drawn to preorder when playing beta and fighting the mage and fighters guild bosses.

They have been nerfed so much that, to quote another guildie on the fighters guild boss, when he rolled an alt

She died in 3 hits before she even turned into a harvester, I had my ultimate prepared, pots ready to go, bah nothing, this used to be such an awesome fight

Then the dumbing down of vet content, yes balancing was needed but for those with builds that could do the content, its become faceroll easy.

Now people are asking for an easy Cyrodiil (and yes, that is what you are asking for) and what will be next?

So you want to be able to do the bruma dailies, will you be happy with the vet5 NPCs or will people ask for this to be made easier.

One of the Bruma dailies you have to kill two lots of two vet 5 npcs, then a dragon appears which often kills me at vet 9 if I get my timing slightly wrong, many solo pve players will struggle to kill this, probably even at vet 12.

Then there's the dungeons with the skyshards, I got my last skyshard in Cyrodiil Monday, vet 9 in a dungeon full of trolls that took a lot of time and fighting to get through and I died a fair few times, will you be happy running that or will you complain it's too hard for the solo player?

I fought my way through a dungeon to the boss, a couple of weeks ago, way behind enemy lines, due to my level it took ages, I finally got to the boss and two EP players materialised out of stealth and killed me in seconds and of course I can't res myself from that, I had to go right back to my factions wayshrine.

Did I mumble "***", sure I did, but I got their names as they danced on my corpse and I will one day meet them in PvP and get my revenge.

I have now completed all anchors, skyshards and dungeon bosses in Cyrodiil and it took a while but I finally got there. I wanted to do this to unlock the achievements. I can tell you for a fact that if there was a pve version where I could have done this in half the time, I would have jumped at it.

And this is where the real danger lies. I enjoyed my challenge and it took a fair while. If there's an easier root most people take it, ultimately that means less things to do, maxing out things quicker, a dumbed down game and thats something I don't want to happen.

Enchanting is a prime example, it's not hard to level, I'm 46 with my enchanting, but because it takes time, people have cried out for it to be made easier, I sometimes think people want to be able to complete and max out everything within a month with minimal input.

People think it's simply a matter of letting them into a PvP area with PvP disabled and that that won't have any affect on PvP players, I think it would have an horrendous impact on the actual PvPers version and I think most other PvP players know this too (and no, I am not talking about PvPers ganking PvE players questing)

A final thought, if your not going to PvP, you won't be spending skill points in the PvP skills anyway hence wont miss the extra few skillpoints Cyrodiil gives you

If ZOS made any PvE-only campaigns in cyrodiil, it would destroy the very idea of that zone. You are supposed to feel scared and threatened every time you dove into the land around the White-Gold tower because it intensifies the idea of being "at war". If you don't want to have to run all the way back when you die, you can easily put down a forward camp.
Personally, I think it makes the game more exciting when you quest there and it also makes the completion achievement more valuable.

I found the only way to PVE cyrodill is to find a group who wants to do the same and go to a low pop campaign. If you don't group it you will either be killed a lot or waste your time trying to beat delves etc, then die and if you can rez then have to go all the way back to a fort.

SongOfMyPeople wrote: »

Not sure why people are having such a hard time doing PvE quests in Cyrodil. I went out and got all skyshards and only once saw another group in a delve. It was a lower pop campaign but it wasn't dead. It's helpful to read the map, stay away from keeps/contested areas and generally be aware of your surroundings. Most of Cyrodil is empty anyways unless the campaign is locked for the factions.

Well , being a AD player i managed to complete all dungeons + quests with minimal problem in 2 days. Even if another faction had a few players in a place , only took a call in zone chat for others to come and clean them out.

Still , to those players i can only imagine the view was the exact opposite since they were the ones removed.

Oh I can see how a PvE campaign could work. Opposing alliances are made up of NPCs only, events and random spawns would keep things interesting, maybe even some dev controlled boss mobs.

This could turn out to be much better training recruitment grounds for PvP than the low level campaigns, as I'm sure those would be very, very popular and actually ease the entry into the real thing for people that may have been less interested in actual PvP.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Oh I can see how a PvE campaign could work. Opposing alliances are made up of NPCs only, events and random spawns would keep things interesting, maybe even some dev controlled boss mobs.

This could turn out to be much better training recruitment grounds for PvP than the low level campaigns, as I'm sure those would be very, very popular and actually ease the entry into the real thing for people that may have been less interested in actual PvP.

wuh? You can't train for pvp off of pve... lol

Well, to some extent maybe, as in learning the lands and surroundings. Of course you cannot train direct PvP combat, which is why I chose recruitment rather than training.

You see, someone who mainly enjoys PvE and never felt the need nor want to set foot into PvP, might develop a certain interest in how a 'real' campaign plays out, after enjoying a PvE one.

So instead of coaxing people into PvP, rather convince them.

PvE content is in Cyrodiil to entice PvE players to at least try it out, and to offer a higher number of targets for PvP.

It's also there to provide something to do while not PvP'ing, and to still have that "constantly watch your back" feeling that is often associated w/ open-world PvP.

Adding a PvE-only campaign entirely defeats that purpose.

All it does is provide the tangible rewards associated w/ Cyrodiil (Skyshards, delves, etc) w/out any of the intended danger.

Cyrodiil is the endgame for PvPers. Asking for it not to be PvP-enabled for some is like asking for a toggle on Craglorn so that the enemies no longer attack you, so that you can reap all of the rewards "in peace".

It would be kind of cool if they did a doomsday scenario server where Molag Bal won.

You know all three sides have to team up to survive. Every city, post, castle, ect. is an opportunity for a spontaneous attack from Daedric forces. Massive raids that could happen at any time. All the NPC's would be soul shriven, roaming daedric hunting parties, maybe other Daedric Princes dropping in from time to time to see what all the fuss is about.

At the end of the week a massive fight against Mannimarco, and Molag Bal.

Could be fun.

I only agree as a main PvP'er i also get all the other area's as PvP zone with free 4 all. Also i dont like raids and group quests but i do want the achievements and loot so i want every dungeon solo.

I never understood why people "despise" PvP. Are they afraid some real player kills them? For me it gives extra excitement to the game. I have more fun playing on PvP servers then PvE. When you did all PvE content, you still have fun trying to claim enemy outposts or kill enemy players. Content never runs out. Also a enemy player is more dynamic then a NPC with a set AI.

RSram wrote: »

The other issue is not having wayshrines throughout Cyrodiil like in the other zones. I'm in the AD so when I died while doing a quest in the north it can take me an half an hour just to sneak back to where I was killed because the opposing sides controls all the keeps. If there's a better way to do this let me know. I guess the campers could hang around the wayshrines too.

There are delves littered around cyrodiil and reasonably evenly spaced across the map. Log off in a delve and you will start in that same delve next time you logon. Might be full of enemy players though....risk you take

Well, I already have done all Cyrodil quests with my character. Nonetheless I like the idea of offering such a neutral campaign. It would make sure, that all the players in the PvP campaigns would be there for PvP and not PvE.
The orientation run on the other hand would have been less spicy, if there hasn't been any PvP. Anyway, I'm open for such an idea.
Alternatively, I would like the idea of PvP zones without alliance war going on - even with going as far as only group members being non-attackable.