QUIT SCREWING UP OUR ADD-ONS!

k9mouse · November 2014

I love the min UI and I hate the "standard MMO UI" I am very happy that the UI is the way it is. Every game does this (Mods / Addons break down during content releases) -- single player or online ones that use mods / addons. It is common and the fans will make they the mod / addon work again.

I do not understand why people can be happy that we are getting new content that we are paying for instead of getting so worked up over as silly as an addon -- they will be fixed someday by the fans.

Rylana · November 2014

best rage thread in a while

Cazic · November 2014

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

I'd much rather support a company that stays true to the series while at the same time offering us options, than one which strays from their original vision just because people want their hand held.

It's like you're totally forgetting that this is an Elder Scrolls game.

Naivefanboi · November 2014

Kre wrote: »

jjf42001_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

yea sounds like a cope out considering they were asked repeatedly for certain features in beta they proclaimed would be handled by addons.
soo either do it yourselves , work with the addons, or just dont support them. really not that complicated lol.
im happy for new content and developers that dont lie to my face (destiny vomit)
but still expect basic mmo features in this...mmo

jjf42001_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

yea sounds like a cope out considering they were asked repeatedly for certain features in beta they proclaimed would be handled by addons.
soo either do it yourselves , work with the addons, or just dont support them. really not that complicated lol.
im happy for new content and developers that dont lie to my face (destiny vomit)
but still expect basic mmo features in this...mmo

Not all mmo's are created equal. The dev's saying you can fix certain things with your game via an add-on isn't a copout its a litteral....get over it, quit crying get an add-on if you don't like our UI. Add-ons are made for every mmo because someone here or there wants this or that if its not available to them asap...its what its they are for. If you NEED an add-on because you cant function without that aspect or just plain ol don't like it that way, that's your business. They didn't lie, they said they'd stick to the elder scrolls set up the best they could and they have.
Are there things I don't like about the UI...of course....do I have some add-ons to fix those things...yes I do. Am I going to cry and hate on the dev's for them keeping TESO authentic to TES? No.....why?....because I've gamed for a very long time and have played many games and know that all games are a law unto themselves. Now ...quit crying about add-ons. *waits quietly for the storm of hate to come her way with a huge grin on her face*

our funny addons are a battle i gave up on a long time ago. its not a make or break issue for me!
the complete lack of dueling prevents most of my pvp build testing anyways and thier attitude towards addons is deserving of complete desolation by the authors which is slowly whats happening. and i hope they all stop making addons just to let zos deal with it for better or worse.lol.
but by all means keep feeding those pre conceptions about wow players and peoples "inablitiy to function without an addon"
rofl
pretty funny you assume every post is about add on functionality mine work fine when i decide to use them.
and just because people cant update their files doesnt automatically mean the addons dont work lmfao
but im sure you considerd all that with all your "very long time gaming" xD

Rosveen · November 2014

Gillysan wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

Same here. I can't stand vanilla UI.

Sensesfail13 · November 2014

dharbert wrote: »

You agreed to the End User License Agreement by default when you installed the game. Zenimax doesn't have to give you, or addon makers, squat. I think the default UI is just fine, because I don't need to have my hand held by multiple addons.

I can keep agreeing to their License agreement but I am still a paying customer and can just as easily uninstall and stop subscription. If they want my subscription and the subscription of a large portion of this community then they should at least make an attempt to provide us with the service we ask for and they should be providing.
Oh and by the way, I dont care about your " I dont need my hand held" mentality so you really dont need to post here if you dont have a viable opinion. If the UI is so unimportant to you why have one at all, just go blank screen, oh, and while you are at it make it so you cant even move your character because that will make it move immersive.

DenverRalphy · November 2014

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Kre wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

If you have complaints about a UI then that's your problem, not the Devs'. Just because you cant adapt to a new UI doesn't mean the dev's don't care. They stuck true to the elder scrolls/skyrim UI the best they could while making it an mmo. Having a problem with a games UI because you cant learn something new doesn't mean the dev's or the game sucks....it just means your lacking as a gamer and are stuck on whatever preloaded WoW standards you think is "fitting" for an mmo.
And I think you meant understatement, not overstatement.

What you fail to realize is that we are the consumer, Zenimax and the developers provide us with a service and in order for us to keep PAYING THEM for said service it is up to them to provide a product worth paying them to spend our time on. So YES IT IS THE DEVELOPERS AND ZENIMAX' PROBLEM. This is an MMO there are very basic features that have been asked for and WERE NOT PROVIDED since BETA such as HEALTH/MAGICKA/STAMINA BARS health percentages ETC ETC. THEY ALL COMBINE for very basic utilization and provide needed information for combat and progression within the game, AND THEY ARE NOT PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER WHICH IS A PROBLEM. If they do not wish to provide these very basic utilities within the USER INTERFACE OF THEIR GAME then it is their obligation, NOT CHOICE, to work with add-on developers for their customers to customize and utilize their game. The continued negligence towards the opinions of their customers is reprehensible considering the fact that WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM TO DEVELOP AND UPDATE THE GAME. And if you can not post within this thread without insulting others dont post in my thread at all.

Last I checked... the default UI does have Health/Magicka/Stamina bars... but I digress...

The UI and the Addons support was a direct result of the massively large base of players who asked for it to be this way. Modding has always been a big feature of all the TES games, and ESO complied with the fanbase request. If you wish to point a finger at anybody, point it at those of us who begged for it.

Besides which, ESO/ZEN does indeed provide ample support. They provided the new Addon API's on the PTS and Forums for the addon developers to prepare their addons before deployed to the live patch. Whether or not those addon developers chose to have a new build of their addons prepared, well that's on them. Don't like it? Drop a note to them, not ZOS.

The game isn't broken if your favorite addons aren't updated right away. It's still perfectly playable. Each major patch has a 1 or 2 day period while addons are updated. No biggie. Nothing to lose sleep over.

dharbert · November 2014

Your precious add-ons will be fixed in a day or two BY THE ADD-ON DEVELOPER, as it should be. Add-ons are not Zenimax's problem. You should be glad they even allow you to use them. Sorry you think you need to have several crutches to play this game. I have multiple VR14 toons and do dungeons, trials and PvP and don't use a single add-on.

Basically all you are doing is whining that ESO doesn't have a certain UI function because other games have it. Well, guess what, this isn't those other games. If you need your hand held that badly, go back to WoW or wherever you came from.

It's like players of Gran Turismo crying to the developers and refusing to pay for the game because it doesn't have the same features as Forza. It's Zenimax's game, YOU chose to buy it, YOU chose to play it, and as it states in the EULA (which you agreed to, by the way) they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want and you have absolutely no recourse.

/thread

Amsel_McKay · November 2014

"we are getting new content that we are paying for instead of getting so worked up over as silly as an addon"

- My addons add more "content" then ESO... This is a bug fix patch with a tiny amount of "content". ESO is almost out of Beta now...

eventide03b14a_ESO · November 2014

I agree with the OP. If they would just implement basic things nobody would be complaining about the addons not working.

An inventory filter for instance is a huge time saver and it currently doesn't work. I'm sorry but inventory management in this game is horrendous and only someone with a lot of time and patience would deny that.

How about greyminds quick slot bar? A great addon that let's you see how many potions you have and switch them much more effective than holding down "q".

The fact is I have to use these addons because the UI is so craptastic that it lacks even the most basic and obvious functionality. Maybe it is up to the authors of addons to update them, but the fact is that we shouldn't need the community to make them in the first place. This wasn't an decision about "style" or "artistic vision" it was sheer laziness, they could have implemented these things like a mini map and given us the option to toggle them on or off. Please stop defending them on this and force them to actually support some decent UI features.

Divinius · November 2014

The majority of the addons that I use could be added to the vanilla game (thus removing the game's dependence on addons for core functionality), and as long as they defaulted to "off" in the settings list, all the "minimalistc UI"-loving addon-haters out there would never even know they were there.

And most of the remaining addons I use are things that no one could ever possibly not want. Take "Advanced Filters" for example: find me ONE person that would oppose that being added to the vanilla game, and I'll find you a troll that's only arguing for argument's sake.

DigitalHype · November 2014

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I don't understand how you arrive at this conclusion. Players that provide feedback regarding a particular skill not working, is not harmful to your gameplay. You don't have to use the add-ons.

If reading other customer's criticisms (or whining as you call it) upsets you, game forums are probably not the best place to spend your time.

If they eliminated the API and add-ons, many players (myself included) would no longer play this game. Players unsubscribing would not help the development of this game.

eventide03b14a_ESO · November 2014

Cazic wrote: »

Gillysan wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

I don't really get this mentality. Are you saying that the added convenience of having more information on screen outweighs all of the actual content in the game?

Don't get me wrong, I use and appreciate addons as well. But the game itself is awesome with or without them.

It's not just about having more information on the screen. The menu is terrible. You cannot effectively use Skyrim's menu UI in an MMO. As I mentioned before, the inventory is awful. In Skyrim you had the option to store things in different containers if you wanted and were only limited to what you could carry based on stamina. But Skyrim had a fraction of the crafting materials this game has and was never really an issue storing them. You cannot compare the single player games to this one.

stevenbennett_ESO · November 2014

Seriously? Addons ALWAYS get shut down by major patches to ANY MMO. It's always been up to the Addon writers to update their Addons to match those patches. It's impossible for the devs to make sure their updates are compatible with every Addon out there - nor would we EVER want them to do that, because that would prevent them from making substantial improvements to the game.

Calm down, relax, and ask the Addon developer for the add-on you're interested in to update the thing -- if it's a good Addon, they've probably already been testing an update on the PTS, and may already have it ready to go.

Divinius · November 2014

This thread is actually a good place to tip my hat to many of the addon devs out there. A quick look at ESOUI tells me that almost half of the addons I use are already updated, and I haven't even gotten home from work yet to patch the game.

Many thanks to all you fine addons devs out there that actually make this game playable for me, and many others.

Gillysan · November 2014

There was a problem with updating Minion, had to download it again and install over the old version. http://minion.mmoui.com/

I'm not sure how my add-ons are yet, but I did notice a lot of the 48 addons are already updated on esoui.

k9mouse wrote: »

I love the min UI and I hate the "standard MMO UI" I am very happy that the UI is the way it is. Every game does this (Mods / Addons break down during content releases) -- single player or online ones that use mods / addons. It is common and the fans will make they the mod / addon work again.

I do not understand why people can be happy that we are getting new content that we are paying for instead of getting so worked up over as silly as an addon -- they will be fixed someday by the fans.

You confuse minimalist, immersive, UI with the concept of a functional UI that can be toggled to show/hide elements and provides the player with all the information they desire or not desire and contain well placed elements that make any kind of work flow or finding of functions logical instead of frustrating. Perhaps some of us have more complex thought procedures and a need for more data to process than some people with simpler neural synapses and memory capability. We are all different you know.

daneyulebub17_ESO · November 2014

Unlike other MMOs, too many addons for this game are needed to just get to a bare minimum level of MMO informational and usage features (NOT basic TES features--this is an MMO, it should not have the interface features of a stand-alone game (file that one in the "Duh" department)).

Because the developers passed the buck for so many standard features, hell yeah they should take more pains to ensure they don't all break--a first step would be better support for deprecated API calls. We're not talking mini-maps and crosshairs--we're talking basic, often-text-only, tried-and-true, no-reason-not-to-have standard features that wouldn't effect the so-called minimalism one bit.

If they're going to foist off such basic MMO UI features as:

seeing what you looted (thanks lootdrop),
functional filters for inventory management (thanks advanced filters),
seeing basic combat info (thanks combat cloud),
a method of selecting and switching potions in combat that isn't a complete travesty (thanks Greymind),

...then they could at least make more of an effort to work with the Addon developers than they apparently do.

Seems to me if Zeni can pass so much more of the interface on to Addon script-writers than other MMOs do, they can take more responsibility than other MMOs for helping them not to break. A few thoughts: actively work with the script writers--give them headsup info and code-change suggestions for new/changed functions. Provide them free subs. Don't immediately break API calls that are obsolete for a few versions.

Sums it up:

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

What do you want them to do? Go in and augment someone else's programming? We'd be lucky if we saw an update every 5 months if that were the case.

Long story short, it's not ZOS' responsibility to update aftermarket programs. It's the add-on creator's responsibility.

Suck it up and drive on.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

The objective of updating add-ons that ZOS HAS NO HAND IN CREATING OR MAINTAINING is a moot point. And frankly, wholeheartedly unreasonable. They opened their API to allow the existence of add-ons, how can you be mad at ZOS for programs that aren't their property?

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

Once more, the base, vanilla UI is in place as it is to appeal to the players that value immersion. It's minimalist by design, not by some perceived flaw in the production.

Relax, dude, you're going to give yourself a coronary for no reason.

Now if we paid for the Add-ons as well, then you have every right to be indignant, seeing as they are free - you're out of line.

Now if the title of this thread were "Vanilla ESO UI - WHY U SUCK SO MUCH?!?!?!" then I could understand. But seeing as this was a ragethread about being forced to click the "Used Out-of-Date Add-Ons" box because Add-On creator's aren't preloaded the API updates so they can have fresh updates ready to go on patch day.

Which would be cool if ZOS did do that, work with the community ZOS. Win all around.

eventide03b14a_ESO · November 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

Once more, the base, vanilla UI is in place as it is to appeal to the players that value immersion. It's minimalist by design, not by some perceived flaw in the production.

Relax, dude, you're going to give yourself a coronary for no reason.

Now if we paid for the Add-ons as well, then you have every right to be indignant, seeing as they are free - you're out of line.

Your exceptions should be a lot higher my friend. I'm sorry that you settle for bottom of the barrel features that even a F2P game would have but the rest of us don't have to. Stop pretending that the menu was done intentionally. It should be obvious by now just from the track record that they were simply incapable of creating a decent UI. What I suspect is that they probably had a robust and ambitious UI in mind but it kept breaking their game and they finally decided to just scrap it so they could release it faster. The alternative is that the UI was just an afterthought all along. But don't give me this load that it was intentional.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

Once more, the base, vanilla UI is in place as it is to appeal to the players that value immersion. It's minimalist by design, not by some perceived flaw in the production.

Relax, dude, you're going to give yourself a coronary for no reason.

Now if we paid for the Add-ons as well, then you have every right to be indignant, seeing as they are free - you're out of line.

Your exceptions should be a lot higher my friend. I'm sorry that you settle for bottom of the barrel features that even a F2P game would have but the rest of us don't have to. Stop pretending that the menu was done intentionally. It should be obvious by now just from the track record that they were simply incapable of creating a decent UI. What I suspect is that they probably had a robust and ambitious UI in mind but it kept breaking their game and they finally decided to just scrap it so they could release it faster. The alternative is that the UI was just an afterthought all along. But don't give me this load that it was intentional.

Did you mean expectations? I'm not settling for anything, I've accepted the fact that I get what I want through use of add-ons, I'm not going to waste my energy being pissed off about something I have no control over. 1st World Problems.

It was intentional, to provide the Elder Scrolls fanboys with a familiar system. The allowance of add-ons gives us MMO players familiarity with a little extra work, in the end everyone should be happy.

Except of course for those people who allow things they have no control over drive them to the point of creating a ragepost ranting about how you're wrong because your views aren't the same as my views.

Count to 10 and go for a walk.

EDIT: +1 Awesome for the shout out to Add-On dudes/dudettes.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

But I see your point, if it were the other way around. Give all the features and bells and whistles that we desire up front and require add-ons to hide them. Sure that'd be great.

But honestly, if you can get away with doing the least amount of work and still have the product be successful, you're going to do the least amount of work possible. I don't care who you are. Everyone has done it, will do it, has thought of doing it in their lifetime. We as a species, are lazy. Even those 1% of us that do more before 0700 than the other 99% does all day.

Semper gumby - always flexible.

Cazic · November 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

Once more, the base, vanilla UI is in place as it is to appeal to the players that value immersion. It's minimalist by design, not by some perceived flaw in the production.

Relax, dude, you're going to give yourself a coronary for no reason.

Now if we paid for the Add-ons as well, then you have every right to be indignant, seeing as they are free - you're out of line.

Your exceptions should be a lot higher my friend. I'm sorry that you settle for bottom of the barrel features that even a F2P game would have but the rest of us don't have to. Stop pretending that the menu was done intentionally. It should be obvious by now just from the track record that they were simply incapable of creating a decent UI. What I suspect is that they probably had a robust and ambitious UI in mind but it kept breaking their game and they finally decided to just scrap it so they could release it faster. The alternative is that the UI was just an afterthought all along. But don't give me this load that it was intentional.

Did you mean expectations? I'm not settling for anything, I've accepted the fact that I get what I want through use of add-ons, I'm not going to waste my energy being pissed off about something I have no control over. 1st World Problems.

It was intentional, to provide the Elder Scrolls fanboys with a familiar system. The allowance of add-ons gives us MMO players familiarity with a little extra work, in the end everyone should be happy.

Except of course for those people who allow things they have no control over drive them to the point of creating a ragepost ranting about how you're wrong because your views aren't the same as my views.

Count to 10 and go for a walk.

EDIT: +1 Awesome for the shout out to Add-On dudes/dudettes.

Well said

Blade_07 · November 2014

dharbert wrote: »

You agreed to the End User License Agreement by default when you installed the game. Zenimax doesn't have to give you, or addon makers, squat. I think the default UI is just fine, because I don't need to have my hand held by multiple addons.

The only reason you say that is because you dont like add-on's. And WOW....I feel bad for you man! You actually think that the vanilla UI is good? lmao!

EinionYrth · November 2014

All these folk saying how it is impossible for the devs to ensure that add-ons will keep working. What? The only interface add-on writers have to the game is an API provided by the devs, if the API calls from one version continue to have the same signature in the next version then the add-on will work. Broken add-ons is a result of devs changing the API, which goes against a cardinal rule of API design.

eventide03b14a_ESO · November 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.

Once more, the base, vanilla UI is in place as it is to appeal to the players that value immersion. It's minimalist by design, not by some perceived flaw in the production.

Relax, dude, you're going to give yourself a coronary for no reason.

Now if we paid for the Add-ons as well, then you have every right to be indignant, seeing as they are free - you're out of line.

Your exceptions should be a lot higher my friend. I'm sorry that you settle for bottom of the barrel features that even a F2P game would have but the rest of us don't have to. Stop pretending that the menu was done intentionally. It should be obvious by now just from the track record that they were simply incapable of creating a decent UI. What I suspect is that they probably had a robust and ambitious UI in mind but it kept breaking their game and they finally decided to just scrap it so they could release it faster. The alternative is that the UI was just an afterthought all along. But don't give me this load that it was intentional.

Did you mean expectations? I'm not settling for anything, I've accepted the fact that I get what I want through use of add-ons, I'm not going to waste my energy being pissed off about something I have no control over. 1st World Problems.

It was intentional, to provide the Elder Scrolls fanboys with a familiar system. The allowance of add-ons gives us MMO players familiarity with a little extra work, in the end everyone should be happy.

Except of course for those people who allow things they have no control over drive them to the point of creating a ragepost ranting about how you're wrong because your views aren't the same as my views.

Count to 10 and go for a walk.

EDIT: +1 Awesome for the shout out to Add-On dudes/dudettes.

Yes I did mean expectations. Moving on. The vast majority of us want a better UI. That should be obvious from the amount of addons downloaded. I am getting sick of them breaking it constantly and yes they should be aware that we are displeased with this. It's more infuriating when we come to these forums to let ZOS know that we are unhappy with the way we are doing thing only to have some of you berate us for wanting these things. It doesn't help when we ask for a very reasonable addition only to have people tell us that we shouldn't want it. I have no desire to ever dye my armor pink that doesn't mean I should care that someone else wants to. I don't go into threads about fishing and tell those people to quit complaining, because I don't give a crap about fishing or what they do with it. If you're happy with the UI great move on. There is no reason to tell us to just suck it up.

MercyKilling · November 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

xaraan · November 2014

This seems to pop up every patch lol. It's up to the add-on makers to keep up with the game, not the game to stay stagnant so they never have to be updated.

DenverRalphy · November 2014

EinionYrth wrote: »

Broken add-ons is a result of devs changing the API, which goes against a cardinal rule of API design.

Not true at all. There's absolutely no cardinal rule even remotely close to that.

APIs will support backward compatibility when reasonably possible. But in this case, where you won't find various versions of the client able to play concurrently, expecting anything remotely resembling backwards compatability is an effort in futility.

That's why there were weeks of deployment on the PTS to allow for addon development preparation.