QUIT SCREWING UP OUR ADD-ONS!

Sensesfail13

EVERY PATCH! Now FTC Combat is screwed up! This is ridiculous, we customize our UI's because the original one with the game is so inherently horrid it makes playing the game a pita and every patch you screw up the best ones! Either make a UI that is worth while for players to use or stop screwing up our addons!

Gedalya

It is up to the developers of the add-ons to ensure they work properly with ESO; not ZoS. Also, have you tried the option to allow Add-ons that are out of date?

k9mouse

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

ers101284b14_ESO

Yeah its so god awful that it looks just like every other TES out there. How dare they take an Elder Scrolls UI and put it into their Elder Scrolls Game!!! Burn the Witches!!!!!!!

Dalexx

Come on now, you have to know with each major patch is going to come a need for add-on updates. That's pretty common knowledge, if it's not. Well, now oyu know.

In some cases, the updates that breaks your add-on, is a change that the add-on makers requested. If anything you should be happy, maybe some much needed APIs were added and maybe that will make FTC even better than before.

Nox_Aeterna

Yeap OP , pretty much what happens each patch.

Heh honestly is any of my more important ADDONs stop being supported and thus just stops working in this game , i will unsub on the same day.

Ashtaris

OP, you are confused. It's not up to ZOS to come out with a patch that's compatible with the add-ons, it's up to the mod authors to come up with a patch that fixes the add-on. I believe ZOS publishes a list of API changes every update:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/135893/update-5-api-patch-notes-change-log-pts#latest

Naivefanboi

k9mouse wrote: »

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

yea sounds like a cope out considering they were asked repeatedly for certain features in beta they proclaimed would be handled by addons.
soo either do it yourselves , work with the addons, or just dont support them. really not that complicated lol.
im happy for new content and developers that dont lie to my face (destiny vomit)
but still expect basic mmo features in this...mmo

Dominoid

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138067/psa-how-to-get-almost-all-your-add-on-setting-menus-to-work-with-1-5?new=1

Cazic

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

WraithAzraiel

This is pretty common to every game that allows the use of add-ons, whenever the API updates the add-on creators have to physically update their add-ons.

Nox_Aeterna

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

dharbert

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

Kre

it's the add-on developers job to update the add-ons in a timely fashion not the Devs. TESO may be add-on friendly but its mot supported. If you cant effectively play your character without an add-on(cheat/mod) then perhaps you should go back to Pokémon. p.s its not that hard to update your add-ons so quit crying.

k9mouse

I, for one, love the UI in ESO and I don't need any stinking addons that spam numbers on the screen. They are many out there feel the same way that I do.

Also, everyone have a different play style and use of addons helps for those who feel like that they need them. Overall, I am happy that addons are allow in that the game. (Even some of them are cheating, IMHO) Personally I only use very limited of addons and tries to stay away from them if I can.

Naivefanboi

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

id rather they didnt with current policies lol

Cazic

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

I'm sure they do care. But like I said, there's only so much they can do. They aren't going to prioritize addons over their own updates to the game. It's not like they're intentionally breaking addons, it's just naturally going to happen as the game is updated.

What do you want them to do - delay releasing a major update because it conflicts with an addon?

Kre

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

If you have complaints about a UI then that's your problem, not the Devs'. Just because you cant adapt to a new UI doesn't mean the dev's don't care. They stuck true to the elder scrolls/skyrim UI the best they could while making it an mmo. Having a problem with a games UI because you cant learn something new doesn't mean the dev's or the game sucks....it just means your lacking as a gamer and are stuck on whatever preloaded WoW standards you think is "fitting" for an mmo.
And I think you meant understatement, not overstatement.

Divinius

While the OP is a bit of an overreation to a situation that's existed every update since launch, I do feel the need to mention that I wouldn't NEED two-thirds of the addons that I use if the default UI wasn't such a pile of crap.

Kre

jjf42001_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

yea sounds like a cope out considering they were asked repeatedly for certain features in beta they proclaimed would be handled by addons.
soo either do it yourselves , work with the addons, or just dont support them. really not that complicated lol.
im happy for new content and developers that dont lie to my face (destiny vomit)
but still expect basic mmo features in this...mmo

jjf42001_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

LOL
Adds are NOT officaly supported, just like mods in single player games. They are fan made and they are NOT made by ZOS.

New content (that one should happy for ) will always do that to some add-ons. It par for the course.

yea sounds like a cope out considering they were asked repeatedly for certain features in beta they proclaimed would be handled by addons.
soo either do it yourselves , work with the addons, or just dont support them. really not that complicated lol.
im happy for new content and developers that dont lie to my face (destiny vomit)
but still expect basic mmo features in this...mmo

Not all mmo's are created equal. The dev's saying you can fix certain things with your game via an add-on isn't a copout its a litteral....get over it, quit crying get an add-on if you don't like our UI. Add-ons are made for every mmo because someone here or there wants this or that if its not available to them asap...its what its they are for. If you NEED an add-on because you cant function without that aspect or just plain ol don't like it that way, that's your business. They didn't lie, they said they'd stick to the elder scrolls set up the best they could and they have.
Are there things I don't like about the UI...of course....do I have some add-ons to fix those things...yes I do. Am I going to cry and hate on the dev's for them keeping TESO authentic to TES? No.....why?....because I've gamed for a very long time and have played many games and know that all games are a law unto themselves. Now ...quit crying about add-ons. *waits quietly for the storm of hate to come her way with a huge grin on her face*

Cazic

Divinius wrote: »

While the OP is a bit of an overreation to a situation that's existed every update since launch, I do feel the need to mention that I wouldn't NEED two-thirds of the addons that I use if the default UI wasn't such a pile of crap.

The default UI being a piece of crap is totally a matter of opinion and taste though. It's not actually that bad, it's only bad to people who want a more feature-rich MMO style UI. The default UI caters more to Elder Scrolls fans, and it's fine the way it is.

Luckily we do have a large community that supports addons. So while these conflicts caused by updates can be really annoying, you can bet that the developers of the addons will update them as soon as possible.

Gillysan

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

Divinius

Gillysan wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

Same here. I wonder what percentage of their subs ZOS would lose if they did that?

Cazic

Gillysan wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

I wish they would do away with add-on support entirely. There would be much less whining about how X or Y skill isn't working correctly because my addon says Z.

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

I don't really get this mentality. Are you saying that the added convenience of having more information on screen outweighs all of the actual content in the game?

Don't get me wrong, I use and appreciate addons as well. But the game itself is awesome with or without them.

Blade_07

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

EVERY PATCH! Now FTC Combat is screwed up! This is ridiculous, we customize our UI's because the original one with the game is so inherently horrid it makes playing the game a pita and every patch you screw up the best ones! Either make a UI that is worth while for players to use or stop screwing up our addons!

I hear ya man.

I dont give a fricken damn about the fact that Zenimax dont support the add-on's. They made it so that we can have add-on's then fu?? them up with every update! BS! They need to stop messing with the files in the game that manages the add-on's. Without the add-on's that I use I dont even want to play ESO, Its literally unplayable for me right now.

Sensesfail13

Kre wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

If you have complaints about a UI then that's your problem, not the Devs'. Just because you cant adapt to a new UI doesn't mean the dev's don't care. They stuck true to the elder scrolls/skyrim UI the best they could while making it an mmo. Having a problem with a games UI because you cant learn something new doesn't mean the dev's or the game sucks....it just means your lacking as a gamer and are stuck on whatever preloaded WoW standards you think is "fitting" for an mmo.
And I think you meant understatement, not overstatement.

What you fail to realize is that we are the consumer, Zenimax and the developers provide us with a service and in order for us to keep PAYING THEM for said service it is up to them to provide a product worth paying them to spend our time on. So YES IT IS THE DEVELOPERS AND ZENIMAX' PROBLEM. This is an MMO there are very basic features that have been asked for and WERE NOT PROVIDED since BETA such as HEALTH/MAGICKA/STAMINA BARS health percentages ETC ETC. THEY ALL COMBINE for very basic utilization and provide needed information for combat and progression within the game, AND THEY ARE NOT PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER WHICH IS A PROBLEM. If they do not wish to provide these very basic utilities within the USER INTERFACE OF THEIR GAME then it is their obligation, NOT CHOICE, to work with add-on developers for their customers to customize and utilize their game. The continued negligence towards the opinions of their customers is reprehensible considering the fact that WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM TO DEVELOP AND UPDATE THE GAME. And if you can not post within this thread without insulting others dont post in my thread at all.

bosmern_ESO

You're acting as if ZoS personally writes the code to screw with add-ons, as if they don't want them in the game. And if they didn't we wouldn't have add-ons in the first place.

The reason why the updates mess with add-ons is because the game systems gets updated to new things, while the addons are still working on old ones (which will get updated eventually).

dharbert

You agreed to the End User License Agreement by default when you installed the game. Zenimax doesn't have to give you, or addon makers, squat. I think the default UI is just fine, because I don't need to have my hand held by multiple addons.

Divinius

Cazic wrote: »

Gillysan wrote: »

I would quit this game immediately if all I had was the vanilla UI.

I don't really get this mentality. Are you saying that the added convenience of having more information on screen outweighs all of the actual content in the game?

Yes, actually, it does. Doesn't matter how awesome a game's storyline or content is, if actually playing the game is nothing but a exercise in frustration at the lack of reasonable UI elements, it sucks the fun right out of it. At least, for me.

Cazic

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Kre wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

There's only so much ZoS can do to "work with the addons". Their priority is to update the game, not the addons. Updating the addons is up to the developers of them. Be thankful that they do embrace and support addons at all.

Without ADDONs saying this games UI is abysmally bad would be an overstatement.

Since zen doesnt care about making it good themselves , they should indeed care about the work modders put making it decent.

If you have complaints about a UI then that's your problem, not the Devs'. Just because you cant adapt to a new UI doesn't mean the dev's don't care. They stuck true to the elder scrolls/skyrim UI the best they could while making it an mmo. Having a problem with a games UI because you cant learn something new doesn't mean the dev's or the game sucks....it just means your lacking as a gamer and are stuck on whatever preloaded WoW standards you think is "fitting" for an mmo.
And I think you meant understatement, not overstatement.

What you fail to realize is that we are the consumer, Zenimax and the developers provide us with a service and in order for us to keep PAYING THEM for said service it is up to them to provide a product worth paying them to spend our time on. So YES IT IS THE DEVELOPERS AND ZENIMAX' PROBLEM. This is an MMO there are very basic features that have been asked for and WERE NOT PROVIDED since BETA such as HEALTH/MAGICKA/STAMINA BARS health percentages ETC ETC. THEY ALL COMBINE for very basic utilization and provide needed information for combat and progression within the game, AND THEY ARE NOT PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER WHICH IS A PROBLEM. If they do not wish to provide these very basic utilities within the USER INTERFACE OF THEIR GAME then it is their obligation, NOT CHOICE, to work with add-on developers for their customers to customize and utilize their game. The continued negligence towards the opinions of their customers is reprehensible considering the fact that WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM TO DEVELOP AND UPDATE THE GAME. And if you can not post within this thread without insulting others dont post in my thread at all.

Hey we all understand where you're coming from, it's a frustrating situation when something breaks and it's out of your control. But, your feeling that ZoS owes you a better UI because you're subscribed to their game is unrealistic.

From an artistic point of view, staying true to your vision is very important. This applies to ESO in many ways, the UI being one of them. Many of us would stand on the opposite side of the fence as you coming form a more traditional Elder Scrolls point of view - don't you think we're entitled to be content with that aspect of the game as well?

Addons being optional is a good thing for the integrity of the vision of the game relative to it's IP. If you can't see that, there's nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise. Just be patient, I'm sure the addons will be updated in time.

Sensesfail13

You see, Its not my duty to worry about that, its my duty to worry about the finished product and theirs to deal with providing the product to me, otherwise why am I paying them?
Every person in this thread can keep beating the same dead horse but im not interested in hearing it, Im interesting in them changing it so that my experience isnt effected negatively every time they update the game. Add-ons whether they feel they are responsible for them or NOT are their responsibility because they neglect to make more options available within a mass market game, and as such should go out of their way while developing to work with the add-on developers to provide everybody with the service they desire whether you want the bland 5 button UI or the UI that provides necessary information for your gameplay.