Yes Fear and Shades and still hell of a fight

Ha ha every fight against DK is a hell of a fight. Especially if you are not a DK. There is no Rock for DK Scissor ^^

Mondo wrote: »

Ha ha every fight against DK is a hell of a fight. Especially if you are not a DK. There is no Rock for DK Scissor ^^

No, every open fight against a melee S&B DK is a hell of a fight. I see plenty of bow DKs and they go down as easily as their NB counterparts of the same playstyle. However, they can rack up huge kill streaks by just sniping and poison injecting from the shadows.

Tanky NBs are also a hell of a fight whichever class you have. Go and watch some duels and then come back and tell me if there's a rock for the S&B NB scissor. Because there isn't, just like DKs they're always very very hard to beat 1v1.

A tanky build gets done by gankers or by ranged builds that it can't get hold off (due to landscape restrictions). That's how the game works at the moment.

Personal i dont have much Problem with NB. NB survivability is not that good and the selfheal is ... naaaah. DK is strong and in my eyes DK is a bit too strong. Im not speaking from a total overkill nerf i just mentioned it would be good to lose some DPS when you are that tanky

Soloeus wrote: »

Right now you are useless in PVP if you aren't either a Sparkling Edward Flappy Flap Tank or a 5k+ One-Shot Nightblade Stealth Runner.

NB stealther is high dmg yes but hit them hard and see them die. Tankyness is no Problem when the DMG is low or the Tank dont got the bet useful tools

TequilaFire wrote: »

Actually all I read between the lines in these posts are NBs justifiably moaning that they have problems with DKs.
Why not ask to fix and buff your NB instead of crying for a nerf of DKs?

That would make the NB too strong againt sorcs and templars.

Mondo wrote: »

"The issue is not with DKs in PvP, as I said NBs and Templars can do the same. The issue you have is with block casting. If people can attack yet mitigate that much damage at the same time, it becomes an alpha-build. That's why 90% of DKs and non-healing Temps are using S&B. That's also why most NBs are slowly changing to use S&B."

That yes and SAP is only good in groups and yes there is it awesome

Well if Sap Essence is good for groups and a combination of Swallow Soul and Rapid Regeneration is great for solo fights then what's there problem here?

There's no denying NBs can reach a very high level of tankiness and DPS which was your complain about DKs. I've just given you videos that prove that both for PvE and PvP, so you can't dispute it or discredit it as wrong.

Don't take the frustrations you have with your build out at the DKs. Their class is fine and NBs as a class are actually also fine. Go more tanky if you want to kill S&B DKs 1v1 or have a glass cannon ganky build and suffer the consequences when you're discovered.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

I've had my ass handed to me by a s/b sorcerer, even a templar. It's all down to selecting the best skill loadouts, gear sets and knowing your enemy's class weaknesses.

This.

OP is clearly another case of getting owned in pvp by a player who happens to be a DK and has come to the forums to cry.

I would also argue that Sorcs are as popular as DKs. Both classes seem to outnumber the other two by quite some numbers from what i've seen on EU since release.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

Personal i dont have much Problem with NB. NB survivability is not that good and the selfheal is ... naaaah. DK is strong and in my eyes DK is a bit too strong. Im not speaking from a total overkill nerf i just mentioned it would be good to lose some DPS when you are that tanky

The self heal is naahh? Sap Essence is of one the best attack plus heals in the game. Like I said before, Tanky NBs can zerg dive as much as DKs with very similar level of DPS and tankiness. Also as a NB you have Catalyst, so you can use potions to cover any deficit left. If Sap Essence is so "naahhh", how is it possible to solo Darkshade Caverns (Hard Mode!) using it as the main heal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqlE1bFrmMI


The issue is not with DKs in PvP, as I said NBs and Templars can do the same. The issue you have is with block casting. If people can attack yet mitigate that much damage at the same time, it becomes an alpha-build. That's why 90% of DKs and non-healing Temps are using S&B. That's also why most NBs are slowly changing to use S&B.

If you think there's rock for this scissor, do let me know I'll be waiting to hear from you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6JjaETShI

That was a vampire Nightblade, so you have to take that into account. During most (if not all) of the boss fights, he was using devouring swarm as his primary heal, with regen and swallow soul as backup.

I constantly see people complaining about Dragonknights... "Too much dps" "Too much survivability" "I cant kill them this is horrible" I constantly have people kill me out in pvp that know how to play their classes. If you dont like the builds it takes to kill us and it isnt fun, WELL I cant play my dragonknight the way I wished to when the game released either and I can complain all I want but I wont have the ability to effectively DW tank with a Dragonknight.
Ive run into this problem in multiple games people complaining for a nerf on certain classes but when it comes down to it they will start nerfing and wont buff others not resolving your issues but making it so another class isnt structured to be useful. It happened to my Warrior on Everquest, the complaining was ridiculous and in the end Warriors are now S/B only good for tanking raid bosses and depend entirely on groups to kill anything in game. That isnt fun for anybody in game and eventually you will lose subscriptions or nearly all of that class because it will be useless.
Moral of the story, Quit complaining and whining for a DK nerf and put more in for a specific buff on other classes that will make a legitimate effect (by the way I never hear complaining when Im taking the hits in trials or survive in situations to revive fallen comrades and continue the fight).
^Along these lines maybe complain about the poor adjustments they plan to make to stamina builds as stated in their developers corner forum.

DK is for Teso what Deathknight was in WoW WotLK


nuff said

Ah ZOS_Ulysses please give us a Statement how do ZOS feel about DK? Is it just fine or will there be little changes? Tell us that would be nice and i swear by the gods i will stop complaining

ZOS_UlyssesW wrote: »

Hello, everyone. We are actively reading all your feedback, and do encourage you to continue to share it with us. Your constructive feedback is valuable, and allows us to make improvements to our game and ensure a fun and rewarding experience for everyone.

awesome! below is my feedback,
i do not want to use light armor and a staff and magicka in my nightblade because they are Not what i want to play and have Not played in All the elderscrolls single player games.
i allways use medium armor, daggers, (or axes) duel wield and invisibility skills.
right now that stamina type set up in elderscrolls online for a nightblade is useless.
this rouge / assassin type gameplay is perfect for the thieves guild and dark brotherhood style of play, allways has been this way in all the singleplayer
elderscrolls titles.
right now we do not see any of the skills for that type of physical damage, none, there are 2 or 3 skills that can be used but they are weak in damage and by the time we have used those type of skills the enemies are close to dead and they just heal themselves and kill us nightblades in the process rather quickly. and by rather quickly i mean within 2 or 3 seconds in pvp.
we nightblades do not have a self heal skill like the other classes, they have a skill that can heal them instantly. but our self heals are over a long period of time and do Alot Less healing then thiers do. and by the time our self heal actually worked is far far too late, and we died long before we could benifit from that healing - i am refering to pvp ofcourse -
this also includes our survivability which now has expanded into 2 very serious life threatening problems,
1) our invisibility is supose to protect us and help us survive and do more damage from stealth, but it does not work properly, it has very serios buggs. and you have allowed the use of potions and the use of mage light so our invisibility is basicly useless, and allows people to see us so we cannot use our invisibility and we die rather quickly due to this problem.
2) our stealth radius -
you increased the radius at which we can be seen in stealth, that means we are now even more easily seen then previously and we will die with no problem at all because we are concentrating on trying to go into stealth during a fight so we can regain some protection and able to do proper and fair damage yet you removed our stealth abilities.

the list of problems is much much larger then what i am stating here, and infact is a very long read that would include probably several pages of reading.
you mention that the developers are reading this thread and other threads for feedback, so i am very curious, what is going to become of these problems we face as duel wield nightblades and the problems with the broken skills and broken stealth and broken invisibility? i wonder and wait, but to be honest it is getting very hard to continue having faith after 6 months in the beta and 6 months now live server we still see the same exact complaints and same exact problems.

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

My boyfriend made a DK, and I made a templar to level with him. We were doing level 40+ quests and killing level 40+ mobs when he was only level 20. I honestly did nothing in these fights, because there was nothing for me to do. He never needed healing, and most of the things we fought were dead before my sun fire reached them. I'd say that's pretty OP. Not to mention boring. He scrapped the character and moved on to something a bit more fun, a nightblade.

Uh-uh! Did you see the video further up the page of a NB doing a group v10 dungeon, in hard-mode, solo?

I'd say that's pretty OP. Maybe he should scrap his OP NB and roll something a bit more fun, a dragonknight.

See what I did there?

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

The thing I find the most frustrating is most dks play exactly the same way. They then turn around and say it's all about learning to play your build.

If all the DKs play the same, yet you haven't found a way to kill them that says more about you than the DKs don't you think?

So if someone takes a gun and shoots a bunch of people in the street does that tell you guns are very efficient killing tools agains unarmed targets or that those people sucked at dodging bullets?

I frankly have no idea what you're talking about....