R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Ok for example a TES game with invite or drop in online features, so you can quest with a friend or 2 for example.
Does ESO end any chance of Bethesda adding any drop in/invite online features in future TES. Alot of people only wanted to quest with a friend or 2 and not a full blown mmo because you might struggle with this but there are alot of people who do not like what an mmo brings.
eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I don't really understand what you're asking exactly. If you are asking whether there will be another Elder Scrolls MMO, the answer is maybe. There have been several MMO's that have had sequels. EverQuest, EverQuest 2, and EverQuest Next for instance. Or Guild Wars and Guild Wars II. Or Star Wars: Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic. If there was another MMO with the TES brand it would probably be run by ZOS because that is their online division.
If you're just asking if there will ever be a multiplayer component to a TES game then the answer again is maybe. There were rumors that Skyrim was going to be multiplayer, but so far no single player TES game has had multiplayer so it's just as likely that they won't in the future.
The question doesn't make sense and it relies on pure speculation, but more importantly it's completely irrelevant.
Stroggnonimus wrote: »Lots of people hate on ESO, why ? Because they though this will be Skyrim 2 Online. But that just isn't possible. World is too small, crafting system doesnt fit an MMO, quests are single player, no content that could be played as Multiplayer and so on and so forth. Personally, I'm happy with ESO. It deserves having The Elder Scrolls name.
But I think this game needs a lot more sandbox, and a lot more polish.
Stroggnonimus wrote: »Author fails to understand 1 very important thing -You can't just take Skyrim and suddenly make it online. No. It just won't workout. Skyrim wasn't designed as Online game (though co-op there would be nice ). Lots of people hate on ESO, why ? Because they though this will be Skyrim 2 Online. But that just isn't possible. World is too small, crafting system doesnt fit an MMO, quests are single player, no content that could be played as Multiplayer and so on and so forth. Personally, I'm happy with ESO. It deserves having The Elder Scrolls name.R1ckyDaMan wrote: »So I hear all these MMO fans have been waiting years for a MMO with a TES skin to come out.
Well as it happens alot of TES fans have been waiting for a TES game to come out with online features, just not with all the MMO junk.
Do you think this game ends all hope of bethesda ever adding any online features at all to any future TES game?
ESO will have no bearing on whether Bethesda adds private session multiplayer to future TES. That said, TES has always centered around a single hero which allows the story writers to better give the sense of being the hero to the player, IMO of course. So though I don't think ESO will prevent it, I don't think Bethesda will add it, I think ESO will likely be the only Elder Scrolls multiplayer we'll get. And if not for ESO, I don't think we'd get it at all.
R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Ok for example a TES game with invite or drop in online features, so you can quest with a friend or 2 for example.
Does ESO end any chance of Bethesda adding any drop in/invite online features in future TES. Alot of people only wanted to quest with a friend or 2 and not a full blown mmo because you might struggle with this but there are alot of people who do not like what an mmo brings.
R1ckyDaMan wrote: »ESO will have no bearing on whether Bethesda adds private session multiplayer to future TES. That said, TES has always centered around a single hero which allows the story writers to better give the sense of being the hero to the player, IMO of course. So though I don't think ESO will prevent it, I don't think Bethesda will add it, I think ESO will likely be the only Elder Scrolls multiplayer we'll get. And if not for ESO, I don't think we'd get it at all.
TBH id rather not have it all.
R1ckyDaMan wrote: »
R1ckyDaMan wrote: »I know, I am active in a thread there about the issue.
I am asking if ESO will affect any decision.
eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Okay...but were are not talking about whether Skyrim is ever going to be multiplayer. There will be sequels to Skyrim and if they so choose they can make it multiplayer. Your statement seems to be coming out of nowhere and doesn't really fit into the discussion. As far as OS X....Yeah, why would you get a Mac for gaming? Or for any reason?KhajitFurTrader wrote: »Word on the street is that the engine and toolchain Bethesda uses is not multiplayer-capable. Anyone not involved in programming may not immediately see why this is a bummer. If such things aren't built-in from the get-go, it's very, very hard to add them later and have them performing well, if at all. It's usually safer and less of a hassle to rewrite things from scratch. This is also the reason why no TES game has been published for OS X yet.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »If you're just asking if there will ever be a multiplayer component to a TES game then the answer again is maybe. There were rumors that Skyrim was going to be multiplayer, but so far no single player TES game has had multiplayer so it's just as likely that they won't in the future.
Well, studios usually use the same engine as the basis for a series of games, or variations thereof. Morrowind and Oblivion used the same engine. Skyrim had a newer version, but you have to assume that their underlying logic/parametres would still be the same. There is enough code to be written for a new game without having to reinvent the engine every time.
So to include a multi-player co-op option, there would have to be a considerable resesign of game mechanics. Otherwise it would be like adding a second floor to a house whose foundation can only support a bungalow.
I'm not saying it's never going to happen, but it is an investment of additional time and money and Bethesda needs to take into account what the return on investment on that would be.
I have not played many co-op games, but from the ones I remember (Halo, Borderlands), you don't actually have levels like in TES games, so how would a co-op verion of TES handle that in your view?
look, if you believe the statistics from this site http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/ then Skyrim made $1,290,000,000 in sales revenue. If they wanted to rewrite the engine to accommodate a multiplayer game I'm pretty sure they can cover the cost. It's reasonable to assume that any sequel to Skyrim will be successful regardless of ESO. The better question to ask would be why you assume they would never redesign the game engine? ESO wrote their own engine and there is no way that anybody at Zenimax expected an MMO even a TES one to reach Skyrim sales. The point is that this game has nothing to do with single player games. Even if ESO flops hard they will not stop making single player games.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Okay...but were are not talking about whether Skyrim is ever going to be multiplayer. There will be sequels to Skyrim and if they so choose they can make it multiplayer. Your statement seems to be coming out of nowhere and doesn't really fit into the discussion. As far as OS X....Yeah, why would you get a Mac for gaming? Or for any reason?KhajitFurTrader wrote: »Word on the street is that the engine and toolchain Bethesda uses is not multiplayer-capable. Anyone not involved in programming may not immediately see why this is a bummer. If such things aren't built-in from the get-go, it's very, very hard to add them later and have them performing well, if at all. It's usually safer and less of a hassle to rewrite things from scratch. This is also the reason why no TES game has been published for OS X yet.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »If you're just asking if there will ever be a multiplayer component to a TES game then the answer again is maybe. There were rumors that Skyrim was going to be multiplayer, but so far no single player TES game has had multiplayer so it's just as likely that they won't in the future.
Well, studios usually use the same engine as the basis for a series of games, or variations thereof. Morrowind and Oblivion used the same engine. Skyrim had a newer version, but you have to assume that their underlying logic/parametres would still be the same. There is enough code to be written for a new game without having to reinvent the engine every time.
So to include a multi-player co-op option, there would have to be a considerable resesign of game mechanics. Otherwise it would be like adding a second floor to a house whose foundation can only support a bungalow.
I'm not saying it's never going to happen, but it is an investment of additional time and money and Bethesda needs to take into account what the return on investment on that would be.
I have not played many co-op games, but from the ones I remember (Halo, Borderlands), you don't actually have levels like in TES games, so how would a co-op verion of TES handle that in your view?
I am sorry if I gave the impression that they were direct sequels. I was illustrating that they belong to the same franchise. The point I was attempting to make is that nobody said "oh we already made a Star Wars MMO, I guess we are done". They made a new one. Sorry if the implication bothered you that much, but I think the point still remains.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I don't really understand what you're asking exactly. If you are asking whether there will be another Elder Scrolls MMO, the answer is maybe. There have been several MMO's that have had sequels. EverQuest, EverQuest 2, and EverQuest Next for instance. Or Guild Wars and Guild Wars II. Or Star Wars: Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic. If there was another MMO with the TES brand it would probably be run by ZOS because that is their online division.
If you're just asking if there will ever be a multiplayer component to a TES game then the answer again is maybe. There were rumors that Skyrim was going to be multiplayer, but so far no single player TES game has had multiplayer so it's just as likely that they won't in the future.
The question doesn't make sense and it relies on pure speculation, but more importantly it's completely irrelevant.
I just want to clear the air here. Star Wars: The Old Republic is NOT NOT NOT a sequel to Star Wars Galaxies. It is NOT. It just happened to come out after SWG. It has 0 relation to SWG in terms of Style, timeline, and gameplay. The only thing it shares in common is that SWTOR and SWG are/were both MMO's in the Star Wars setting.
Ok, I said my two cents.
Let's be honest here though. People don't typically buy Mac's for gaming. People do however buy PC's specifically for gaming.Ref: Mac gaming
Any company that ignores the Apple users is losing money.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sharifsakr/2014/04/24/apple-mac-sales-increase/
http://fortune.com/2014/07/23/mac-v-pc-in-3-charts/
That Forbes guy is wrong though, there are decent game capable Macs. However, they cost an arm & a leg. I'm a PC gamer BTW. If you can put your own computer together, the PC is the way to go without question. If your life only involves computer gaming, then an off the shelf PC will save you money. If you have a life and make money in the real world, then you have choice but I'll let the market speak for itself.
OP as someone suggested already, you should go post at the Bethseda forums. Wasting your time here.
Dude you are giving me a headache. Zenimax owns Bethesda and they are responsible for the single player TES games. Zenimax also owns Zenimax Online Studios, which is responsible for ESO. Other than being owned by the same parent company and using the same franchise they HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I really can't make this any more clear. The success or failure of one has nothing to do with the other. There are probably thousands of co-op fantasy games. Please give me one reason why Bethesda would be prohibited from making a TES co-op game that has nothing to do with ESO or how cost prohibitive it would be for them. If they choose not to it's only because they chose not to. Not because they can't and certainly not because of anything related to ESO. This whole thread is so full of stupid I think I lost IQ points just from participating.R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Just to mitigate some posts, I am not saying ESO is a bad MMO, it is a good MMO from the 2 and a half I have played.
The question is why would Bethesda waste time adding any online functionality
at all to any future TES games when this game exists.
So many people did not want an MMO, did not want a sub etc etc, what hope is left for those people now?
Oh and I have played since beta's in september last year and plan to stay subbed for a long time as it is a good MMO, just not the elder scrolls game I was waiting for since marrowind.
Now I just PVP though and try to pretend I am not playing an elder scrolls game.
Skryim made over 1 billion. I'm pretty sure Bethesda can bankroll themselves.If you really want a new single-player ES game (with multiplayer or not), no problem. Just give Bethesda the $200+ million it will cost to develop it. Maybe you could set up a Kickstarter. All you really need are 200+ friends to donate $1 million a piece and you're all set. You could even offer rewards like "Donate $1 million or more, get a free t-shirt." ;-)
No he doesn't make a valid point. He is positing that this game will somehow have an impact on single player TES games. They won't.DarthZimmeris wrote: »The OP makes a valid point.
This [ESO] is a fun game and I'm enjoying it thus far but it's not TES, not really. Yes there are Redguards [who are a little too Arab-esque in this rendition in my opinion] and yes there are Daedric weapons but something is slightly off. It might be the graphics which look very Dragon Agey or it might be that I'm just not used to approaching TES as a MMO, I'm really not sure what it is but my first impression after an hour of playtime was "fun but not TES" and that impression has not changed after two days of hard playing.
I am here for the duration so don't take my comment to mean that these failings are game-breakers because they're not but you should be aware, Bethesda, that ESO ain't your best girl -- her name is Morrowind.