ZOS announces it's first guild summit taking place next week

Arowe_eso · September 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So... how many EP guilds will be represented at this summit?

I'm wondering the same for dc.

Huntler · September 2014

AD = Zos' favorite alliance confirmed. Discuss

Kosar · September 2014

My only major note: Culling has no place in competitive, PvP environments. Period.

Lfehova · September 2014

This is a great idea, but who is representing DC pvp guilds?

Why was this not even heard of or mentioned prior to this little announcement?

Here's an idea. Not trying to boast or flaunt my ego here, but putting out a tiny resume to validate why ZoS should let me participate.

I lead No Mercy, a hardcore DC NA pvp guild. I feel as DC and pvpers, we're underrepresented.

I graduated with a double major in electrical and computer engineering from a top notch university. And a minor in psychology. And I've lead pvp guilds in wow, tera, forsaken world, and just about every other mmorpg I've played. I also have worked in multiple industries and have a good career (I can pay for my own flight if you "require" me to be in person)

Let me call into this "conference" and help talk about the problems related to pvp and how we can fix them.

(I don't pve much, so I wouldn't begin to talk about that)

Small list of stuff that needs to be fixed.

Lag/server issues. What is up with your database management. It's so *** clear your game is horribly managing data and locations. Hire one good database engineer and he can fix it all the database issues.

Pvp dueling. Everyone wants to be able to duel their friends and family and whatever. Implement dueling so people can duel in town and create communities rather than be forced to reroll to duel a friend.

Pvp aoe caps. This can be a double edged solution or failure. Add more to deter zerg balling, and it'll help your servers cope with the coagulation of player data in a single location. Have you not realized the crashes happen when too many aoe calculations happen in a single keep or resource locale?

Forward camp and travel time. Sure you want to decrease travel time and increase playtime. But you realize the forward camp meta makes death truly pointless and it removes the excitement from the game?

The list goes on.

I'm very opinionated. But when I want to be serious, I'm very logical and can think out well thought out solutions to the multitude of pvp problems.

Give me a bridge number, and I'll call into your "conference". Putting our differences aside, I'm sure my enemies can also agree I'd be a good person to have present at a conference like this.

Edit: Also, the suggested oil changes is the worst idea I've ever heard of. And it makes me wonder how many hours of pvp the pvp development team has actually played. Hint: I feel the team has not experienced all the aspects of pvp, otherwise they'd know this is a god awful horrible idea

Braidas · September 2014

I think DC should send Arm and just have him shout "ARM" at the devs until we get what we want.

LonePirate · September 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So... how many EP guilds will be represented at this summit?

I share this question as well. Perhaps it will be someone from Vokundein or one of the EP guilds on the European server.

Even if EP is not represented, it looks like we have some dedicated PVPers from the other factions who will be in attendance. Having multiple PVP voices at the table is a major victory in its own right, even if ZOS listens to them like they do the PTS players.

Lava_Croft · September 2014

What's with all the people whining about which factions are attending? It doesn't matter at all from which faction you are, we all deal with the exact same problems.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Lava_Croft wrote: »

What's with all the people whining about which factions are attending? It doesn't matter at all from which faction you are, we all deal with the exact same problems.

Like Aldmeri Dominion's continued over supply of people as a faction? Every AD player deals with that in a negative fashion, riiiiiiiight?

Or how about things like EP's slower/lesser quality questing areas for newbies? The ones you go through as a VR level, so can pick and choose what to do or just grind out in Craglorn. You experience that in a deeply negative manner, right?

Dleatherus · September 2014

i'm encouraged to see that the PvP side will be represented this strongly - there are far more players in PvE than in PvP, but if i am understanding correctly, we have at least 4-5 PvP oriented individuals attending out of a total of 20, and that's just the ones that read this thread - could be more

regardless of alliance/faction, the more diverse our representation is, the better for us as a PvP community as a whole, because in my opinion no one person should be the voice for all of us

what remains to be seen is whether this is purely a PR trip (and we should all expect them to be showing us what is down the road etc - it would be stupid of them not to), or whether it's a PR trip with an opportunity for genuine exchange of dialog that will be taken to heart

D.

Dleatherus · September 2014

Lava_Croft wrote: »

What's with all the people whining about which factions are attending? It doesn't matter at all from which faction you are, we all deal with the exact same problems.

amen

D.

Sypher · September 2014

I will be going to the summit cosplaying as a vampire holding a destruction staff.

Yelling "IMPULSE! IMPULSE! IMPULSE! BAT SWARM!"

Then I'll reach into my pocket and grab a handful of shredded cheese and throw it up in the air and 1vX everyone who attended using my makeshift staff of cheese.

Chufu · September 2014

Hey Dleatherus, see you there in Maryland

Hope we can discuss a lot there with the developers.

Greetings from Chufu gro-Khash (Maggy) from Eso-Schatzsucher.de (german fansite)

Lfehova · September 2014

Rofl. I made a serious post. But I think you guys are right, this is probably more a PR stunt than anything. I just wanted a chance to speak face to face with Mr. Brian Wheeler, so I could gauge his commitment to actually fixing this game. That way I could determine if this game is worth continuing or if I should start looking for a new one.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Off-Topic Comments]

Rune_Relic · September 2014

I think I know why you are invited......I think you are all PVP...and PVP players would be the best to judge and give an opinion.
It also explains why you MUST go "there" in person.
If it is what I think it is.....I really really really envy you guys...and I give a pre-emptive kudos to ZOS for doing it.

phatbandit · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Forward camp and travel time. Sure you want to decrease travel time and increase playtime. But you realize the forward camp meta makes death truly pointless and it removes the excitement from the game?

how about:

1. can only respawn at sites within a certain radius of where u died, camp or keep largely irrelevant. maybe radius should apply to death location rather than radius of keeps/camps? (raises the question - if u r 'out of range' of camps and keeps, do u just respawn at the nearest gate? nearest camp?)

2. 20 second (or 30 second - probs too long) countdown timer, to prevent insta-respawns. sometimes time is the enemy, and knocking enough ppl out of a fight can then result in a wipe, i like the idea of death 'not being free', and the idea of a time cost instead of a resource cost for dying - i know i would avoid dying if it meant being sidelined and watching my team get wiped...

i think think they're pretty good ideas, i know 'cos i had them!!

dcincali · September 2014

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think I know why you are invited......I think you are all PVP...and PVP players would be the best to judge and give an opinion.
It also explains why you MUST go "there" in person.
If it is what I think it is.....I really really really envy you guys...and I give a pre-emptive kudos to ZOS for doing it.

What? They get to see the Imperial City first hand? MEH!!! Won't make that much of a difference if the pvp pop is null due to everyone leaving from the issues that aren't being addressed.

Lava_Croft · September 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

What's with all the people whining about which factions are attending? It doesn't matter at all from which faction you are, we all deal with the exact same problems.

Like Aldmeri Dominion's continued over supply of people as a faction? Every AD player deals with that in a negative fashion, riiiiiiiight?

Or how about things like EP's slower/lesser quality questing areas for newbies? The ones you go through as a VR level, so can pick and choose what to do or just grind out in Craglorn. You experience that in a deeply negative manner, right?

I play on EU and AD doesn't come across as over populated at all.

I had absolutely no problems with any of the regular EP or veteran EP (DC/AD) content at all and I happen to really like the EP zones. What faction you belong to is important for a lot of things, but not for this summit.

Zintair · September 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

so who from EP?

I know we got the shaft regarding this. Anyone from EP invited?

Zintair · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

This is a great idea, but who is representing DC pvp guilds?

Why was this not even heard of or mentioned prior to this little announcement?

Here's an idea. Not trying to boast or flaunt my ego here, but putting out a tiny resume to validate why ZoS should let me participate.

I lead No Mercy, a hardcore DC NA pvp guild. I feel as DC and pvpers, we're underrepresented.

I graduated with a double major in electrical and computer engineering from a top notch university. And a minor in psychology. And I've lead pvp guilds in wow, tera, forsaken world, and just about every other mmorpg I've played. I also have worked in multiple industries and have a good career (I can pay for my own flight if you "require" me to be in person)

Let me call into this "conference" and help talk about the problems related to pvp and how we can fix them.

(I don't pve much, so I wouldn't begin to talk about that)

Small list of stuff that needs to be fixed.

Lag/server issues. What is up with your database management. It's so *** clear your game is horribly managing data and locations. Hire one good database engineer and he can fix it all the database issues.

Pvp dueling. Everyone wants to be able to duel their friends and family and whatever. Implement dueling so people can duel in town and create communities rather than be forced to reroll to duel a friend.

Pvp aoe caps. This can be a double edged solution or failure. Add more to deter zerg balling, and it'll help your servers cope with the coagulation of player data in a single location. Have you not realized the crashes happen when too many aoe calculations happen in a single keep or resource locale?

Forward camp and travel time. Sure you want to decrease travel time and increase playtime. But you realize the forward camp meta makes death truly pointless and it removes the excitement from the game?

The list goes on.

I'm very opinionated. But when I want to be serious, I'm very logical and can think out well thought out solutions to the multitude of pvp problems.

Give me a bridge number, and I'll call into your "conference". Putting our differences aside, I'm sure my enemies can also agree I'd be a good person to have present at a conference like this.

Edit: Also, the suggested oil changes is the worst idea I've ever heard of. And it makes me wonder how many hours of pvp the pvp development team has actually played. Hint: I feel the team has not experienced all the aspects of pvp, otherwise they'd know this is a god awful horrible idea

This Guild Summit was known about for some time. Roughly a month ago.

I assume only those who were invited knew. I found out because we were invited to the Q/A for DSA and someone reached out to me and decided my pitch to the PvP community was a good idea so they would try the same.

We all want answers to these questions but I am starting to really wonder what exactly they are doing.

Elsonso · September 2014

Last Update they made a plea for people to jump on PTS and play test. I do not think they were happy with the play testing for Update 4. This time around I think they are trying a Summit to get a few guilds on board to play on PTS. They need groups to test the dungeon scaling, the Undaunted! daily quests, and the veteran City of Ash.

I do not think it is a coincidence that they are having this Summit on the eve of Update 5 hitting PTS.

Zintair · September 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

Last Update they made a plea for people to jump on PTS and play test. I do not think they were happy with the play testing for Update 4. This time around I think they are trying a Summit to get a few guilds on board to play on PTS. They need groups to test the dungeon scaling, the Undaunted! daily quests, and the veteran City of Ash.

I do not think it is a coincidence that they are having this Summit on the eve of Update 5 hitting PTS.

So they invite 1 person from guilds to test PTS content over 2 days? ./facepalm

Tripwyr · September 2014

Thank you guys for all of the suggestions. I'll keep them in mind at the summit.

As far as I can tell, the guilds attending the summit are those who have been providing valuable feedback on a continual organized basis since the early days of the game. Why would ZOS invited random players who may or may not give valuable information when they can invite representatives from guilds who have been giving valuable feedback for a long time?

LonePirate · September 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

Last Update they made a plea for people to jump on PTS and play test. I do not think they were happy with the play testing for Update 4. This time around I think they are trying a Summit to get a few guilds on board to play on PTS. They need groups to test the dungeon scaling, the Undaunted! daily quests, and the veteran City of Ash.

I do not think it is a coincidence that they are having this Summit on the eve of Update 5 hitting PTS.

I'm not inclined to agree with this simply because numerous issues were reported on the PTS for 1.4; but ZOS ignored them - including the crafting hotfix they released a couple of days after 1.4 went live despite it being reported as a PTS bug over three weeks prior. I think they also received plenty of feedback on the particle effects as well as the Dragonstar Arena and Serpent Trial - the three big changes in the release. All three seem to be relatively bug free unless you want to link the particle effects changes with the Cyrodiil crashes.

Nonetheless, I'm sure there will be pleas at the summit for more PTS testing. I just hope some of the attendees will demand that ZOS actually fix the issues reported on the PTS.

ThyIronFist · September 2014

GO GO D. WE HAVE FAITH IN THEE

THOU ART OUR GOD AND SAVIOR

Rune_Relic · September 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think I know why you are invited......I think you are all PVP...and PVP players would be the best to judge and give an opinion.
It also explains why you MUST go "there" in person.
If it is what I think it is.....I really really really envy you guys...and I give a pre-emptive kudos to ZOS for doing it.

What? They get to see the Imperial City first hand? MEH!!! Won't make that much of a difference if the pvp pop is null due to everyone leaving from the issues that aren't being addressed.

Nope....not imperial city. Something with far more serious implications that needs high quality feedback, honest opinion and the exceptional skills too.

Perhaps they cant/wont fix cyrodiil (other than try their best) because it would be a waste of resources....because.....

Mendoze · September 2014

Any chance you could actually talk about class balance? I know forward camps and stuff like that annoys people, but the class balance is the very foundation of a working PVP. Currently I think we have 2 top notch classes and 2 bottom feeders, and only thing that seems to interest people is how much sustained DPS some class can do in the end game PVE. PVP is so much more than that, and I fear developers are just balancing for end game PVE.

MorHawk · September 2014

Zintair wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Last Update they made a plea for people to jump on PTS and play test. I do not think they were happy with the play testing for Update 4. This time around I think they are trying a Summit to get a few guilds on board to play on PTS. They need groups to test the dungeon scaling, the Undaunted! daily quests, and the veteran City of Ash.

I do not think it is a coincidence that they are having this Summit on the eve of Update 5 hitting PTS.

So they invite 1 person from guilds to test PTS content over 2 days? ./facepalm

Ummm, he said "get a few guilds on board to play on PTS". Since these folks represent their various guilds, they're in a good position to push for greater PTS participation. Quite a valid theory, personally.

Davadin · September 2014

Ooooh I've never heard of this. Sweet.

Since you'll be talking about that thread you post in OP, D, then there's nothing to add...

...but... stubborn as I am, I just want to remind you again: Aoe-Spamming-zerG-bLob-pAin-traIN.... must stop.

Thanks,

Zintair · September 2014

MorHawk wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Last Update they made a plea for people to jump on PTS and play test. I do not think they were happy with the play testing for Update 4. This time around I think they are trying a Summit to get a few guilds on board to play on PTS. They need groups to test the dungeon scaling, the Undaunted! daily quests, and the veteran City of Ash.

I do not think it is a coincidence that they are having this Summit on the eve of Update 5 hitting PTS.

So they invite 1 person from guilds to test PTS content over 2 days? ./facepalm

Ummm, he said "get a few guilds on board to play on PTS". Since these folks represent their various guilds, they're in a good position to push for greater PTS participation. Quite a valid theory, personally.

We did that for 1.4 with the Q/A DEV Panel.

@‌Tripwyr did you guys report [snip] when he used to 1 shot people for 5k damage on fire ballista? Just curious....

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Lfehova · September 2014

Tripwyr wrote: »

Thank you guys for all of the suggestions. I'll keep them in mind at the summit.

As far as I can tell, the guilds attending the summit are those who have been providing valuable feedback on a continual organized basis since the early days of the game. Why would ZOS invited random players who may or may not give valuable information when they can invite representatives from guilds who have been giving valuable feedback for a long time?

I would assume since population seems to be on the decline, that these guilds who have been providing valuable feedback is clearly not enough, or not focused on the right things. It's clearly not working.

There are so many easy hack fixes. Multiple ways to stop the crashes on Thornblade. I wonder how many of these "valuable guilds" have suggested some easier to implement solutions. And how aggressive are these guilds pushing these ideas? I would be extremely firm with ZoS and explain the game is dying. Explain the reality to them, that stuff needs to be fixed. That these patches need to be programmed with scale in mind, to stop the crashing that happens, every, single, patch. Because pts testing doesn't mean jack cause it can't test population scaling.

How many of these valuable guild leaders have spent years studying programming and data structures? Or spent years leading organizations? Leading in game is great, but dealing with real people and professionals is a whole other monster.

I feel the people that have "been providing valuable feedback" have either been incompetent in pushing for what we need, or ZoS really just doesn't care.

Just my two cents, no offense to you trip or anyone else who has been trying to help. But it's clearly not working.