Lionxoft wrote: »

You're wrong. It is still happening. I've been testing it all morning since the server has been up.

And honestly, after seeing how well this last patch was "Tested" on PTS or in-house I don't believe it one bit. Once it's fixed on the live server then I will be convinced.

Are you EU or NA? The EU patch hasn't been rolled out yet.

Everyone just get it through your heads NB doesn't stand for Nightblade it stands for no bueno.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Everyone, to be clear, the only edits we've made to the patch notes today is to add in the German and French links to their respective patch notes. We have not edited the content in any way.

We just tested the fix to Shadow Cloak and it appears to be working properly. There was an issue where projectiles that missed you were breaking you out of stealth, but this is no longer happening.

i saw the notes that were previously there and added mentioning the fix you were going to do with this patch, and i now see for a fact those notes specificly have been removed and placed with a new set of notes.

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

NB's being able to stealth spam 5 feet away from someone else is probably the silliest survivability fix I have ever seen in an mmo. Stealth should not work that way. You should be forced to fight just like everyone else (ie pick your risk appropriately). In return, nb's should have a damage shield added and be more survivable like the other classes.

Crouch = stealth.

Invisibility isn't stealth ... it is invisibility.

I fully agree that is shouldn't stop everything in game from hurting you. I am ok with standing in aoe puddles that it should break but what invisibility is suppose to do is stop direct attacks from coming at you. As it stands it fails to do this on many occasions and is still does not work as intended. It never has worked as intended.

Semantics, you know what I was referring to. It's current implementation is silly.

It isn't semantics. You were saying invisibility and stealth is the same thing when the community accepts them as 2 different things.

It being silly is your own opinion and not based on game mechanic function in any way. Fact is that NB has a primary tool for defense that continues not to work as intended and their offense and survival is balanced around that tool working as intended.

In the current state of the game cloak still often simply does not work. I just killed a ton of mobs minutes ago and many times I would cast cloak, the sounds went off, the magicka cost was paid yet I did not go invisible, mobs still attacked me in both melee and range. It failed at times when both ranged and melee mobs were using an attack and when they weren't. I'd think I figured out what was failing and the next fight cloak would fail in completely different circumstances.

Now that the patch notes seem to be changing retroactively in intent I can see now that the devs do not want to admit to any fix to cloak. Perhaps some day. I only want it fixed and working as intended. Like any balanced power though I expect counters to exist but let's get a baseline for function happening for once.

lordrichter wrote: »

This is what was originally posted. I still have this window open from when I first opened it:

Concealed Weapon (Veiled Strike morph): Your stealthed movement speed bonus is no longer removed if another player character casts Shadow Cloak while stealthed.
Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where this ability was removed when an enemy’s projectile missed you.

This is what it current says when I open a new window for this thread:

Concealed Weapon (Veiled Strike morph): Your stealthed movement speed bonus is no longer removed if another player character casts Shadow Cloak while stealthed.
Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where this ability was removed when an enemy’s projectile missed you.

you are saying those are the same and it wasn't edited right? Because those look the same.

this is what it says at the bottom of the patch notes, showing the notes were infact altered and changed.
Post edited by ZOS_MichaelServotte at 9:57AM

confused!

So are they saying that cloak shouldn't break the projectiles path and you should be stuck getting hit with anything coming at you mid-cast anyway? assuming it doesn't miss on some other level, of course.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

So are they saying that cloak shouldn't break the projectiles path and you should be stuck getting hit with anything coming at you mid-cast anyway? assuming it doesn't miss on some other level, of course.

there are NPC daedric nightblade stealth assassin types in cryodiil, that will be in the middle of fighting you and immediatly disapier, right in the middle of your atack they will disapier and cast invisibility, there are also bosses who do this as well, so while we are in the middle of casting an atack wether its thrown or cast or swung at them it does not break thier stealth but it Does break the atack, which is the way it should be.

Illuvatarr wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

NB's being able to stealth spam 5 feet away from someone else is probably the silliest survivability fix I have ever seen in an mmo. Stealth should not work that way. You should be forced to fight just like everyone else (ie pick your risk appropriately). In return, nb's should have a damage shield added and be more survivable like the other classes.

lol right.

That makes perfect sense and is not at all a ridiculous comment that would have been better locked up in your brain.

Actually it does...

Stealth should not be able to be spammed. It's silly. One of the dumbest implementations of the stealth ability I have seen in an mmo. Not only does it harm the NB using it since its implementation just begs for continual bugs (see how it works now, I know you can grasp that), it also makes fighting an NB silly.

You should pop out of stealth and not be able to use it again while in combat. In return, your survivability should be enhanced through other means.

And what would you suggest the name of this new class to be? Bubbleblade?

Its not stealth its an invisibility spell. Spells can be recast at will in this game.

It only begs for continual bugs with continual crap coding. Stealth is not universally hard to implement (balancing can be an issue) - Ive never seen an MMO have so many problems with a vanish-type mechanic.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

NB's being able to stealth spam 5 feet away from someone else is probably the silliest survivability fix I have ever seen in an mmo. Stealth should not work that way. You should be forced to fight just like everyone else (ie pick your risk appropriately). In return, nb's should have a damage shield added and be more survivable like the other classes.

lol right.

That makes perfect sense and is not at all a ridiculous comment that would have been better locked up in your brain.

Actually it does...

Stealth should not be able to be spammed. It's silly. One of the dumbest implementations of the stealth ability I have seen in an mmo. Not only does it harm the NB using it since its implementation just begs for continual bugs (see how it works now, I know you can grasp that), it also makes fighting an NB silly.

You should pop out of stealth and not be able to use it again while in combat. In return, your survivability should be enhanced through other means.

And what would you suggest the name of this new class to be? Bubbleblade?

Its not stealth its an invisibility spell. Spells can be recast at will in this game.

It only begs for continual bugs with continual crap coding. Stealth is not universally hard to implement (balancing can be an issue) - Ive never seen an MMO have so many problems with a vanish-type mechanic.

Other than Wow not being able to fix vanish in their game for over 10 years (pets still track you and often other bugs causing issues at times).

Garion wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Cloak was breaking with a miss or a hit. Usually when a NB cloaked enemy would lose target and so not be able to cast (was broken people still cast anyway after losing sight of NB for some spells like Charge) or a projectile in transit would miss the NB giving no damage. This projectile miss was breaking stealth despite the NB taking no damage. I think this is what they "fixed." Nothing said about being able to hit a NB after they cloaked. Perhaps that will be on the next Hotfix.

This ^

I don't see that you should stay in stealth after being hit by a projectile. That makes no sense. Immediately after the projectile hits? Sure.

I think the point is after a NB cloaks he shouldn't be hit at all by any projectiles. You can't "target" a NB in cloak that is not Marked. Secondly, the standard for NB until recently was that if they "cloaked" projectiles already loosed would miss. If that has changed it would be a serious nerf to NB damage mitigation and pretty much (render) any cloaky build useless in a PvP environment.

edited: added an omitted word for better clarity. See ( ).

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

NB's being able to stealth spam 5 feet away from someone else is probably the silliest survivability fix I have ever seen in an mmo. Stealth should not work that way. You should be forced to fight just like everyone else (ie pick your risk appropriately). In return, nb's should have a damage shield added and be more survivable like the other classes.

lol right.

That makes perfect sense and is not at all a ridiculous comment that would have been better locked up in your brain.

Actually it does...

Stealth should not be able to be spammed. It's silly. One of the dumbest implementations of the stealth ability I have seen in an mmo. Not only does it harm the NB using it since its implementation just begs for continual bugs (see how it works now, I know you can grasp that), it also makes fighting an NB silly.

You should pop out of stealth and not be able to use it again while in combat. In return, your survivability should be enhanced through other means.

And what would you suggest the name of this new class to be? Bubbleblade?

Its not stealth its an invisibility spell. Spells can be recast at will in this game.

It only begs for continual bugs with continual crap coding. Stealth is not universally hard to implement (balancing can be an issue) - Ive never seen an MMO have so many problems with a vanish-type mechanic.

Other than Wow not being able to fix vanish in their game for over 10 years (pets still track you and often other bugs causing issues at times).

Thats more of a pet AI issue.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We just tested the fix to Shadow Cloak and it appears to be working properly. There was an issue where projectiles that missed you were breaking you out of stealth, but this is no longer happening.

*sigh*

So is cloak meant not to interrupt attacks being cast at the NB now? That makes it borderline useless. You might want to reconsider that seeing what survivability abilities other classes have.

It is still a vanish issue. That is like saying the dots breaking cloak is a dots issue ... it still affects cloak and therefore is a cloak issue (which end of the issue is corrected through code is irrelevant). My comment was a light hearted joke btw.

Anyway ...

How cloak works is the issue. Before this patch Zenimax clearly stated that BOTH melee and ranged single target attacks (even in progress) were supposed to not break cloak and now the definition is trying to be changed? I agree that this is the issue ... being told one thing and suddenly told another.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We just tested the fix to Shadow Cloak and it appears to be working properly. There was an issue where projectiles that missed you were breaking you out of stealth, but this is no longer happening.

Any attack made at Nightblades using Cloak should miss, no matter what. It is our ONLY defense unlike all the other classes with their massive Selfheals, Dmg-Shields, Reflective Skills and so on...